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US immigration chief: Same-sex ties are family ties
Same-sex couples will be considered “family relationships” in immigration proceedings, according to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, a move that could help stem the deportation of those in gay or lesbian binational relationships.

Close family ties to the United States are a factor considered by authorities in deportation cases, and gay and lesbian advocates have long argued for same-sex couples to have the same immigration rights as opposite-sex couples.

“In an effort to make clear the definition of the phrase ‘family relationships,’ I have directed ICE to disseminate written guidance to the field that the interpretation of the phrase ‘family relationships’ includes long-term, same-sex partners,” Napolitano said in a letter. ...


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jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Common sense is making my point!

"blasphemous = unorthodox = Arminian = arrogant = incompetent = evil heart"

= heretic

During the second phase of the reformation, believers were baptizing converts and also were meeting in homes to worship.

Were they now free of RCC's judgment of "heresy"?

We might say "yes".

In actuality, during their lifetimes, meeting separately from the state-church service, and practicing believer's baptisms became a Protestant heresy!

This a hand me down of Calvin's system.

"John the Baptist" of the UK can share joy in election all day, of scripture alone, of faith alone, but has challenged the system by confessing Christ and being baptized.

Common sense is illustrating my point exactly! This is what happened during the reformation!

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News Item10/7/12 11:00 AM
common sense  Find all comments by common sense
Mike wrote:
Speaking of saying all manner of nasty stuff against a brother, how does your calling John blasphemous, unorthodox, Arminian, arrogant, incompetent, evil heart, come out of your heart? Are you a brother in Christ?
You Arminians do stick together don't you.
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News Item10/6/12 5:52 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
common sense wrote:
"Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."
Yes, and I have gotten used to it over the years, having been regular out on the streets, talking to thugs, queers, goths, drunks, bank managers, Catholic priests, Rastafarians, Hare Krishna's, Moslems, Jehovah's Witnesses, schoolteachers, night-lifers, drug users, technicians, beauticians, prostitutes, gamblers, models, atheists, Satanists, out-of-worker's, scumbags, tramps, thieves, et al.

One of my favourite texts is, ".....and such were some of you."

It's a great shame when one such is converted and they are not accepted in the fellowship of the local church.

I find it amazing that God's choice is often different to the choice of the churches, when it comes to accepting members. But I'm right glad about it, and I will stand with God every time.

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News Item10/6/12 5:25 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
common sense wrote:
More persecution and insults John. Is this your version of Christianity? Is this Baptist doctrine? How sad that others posting cannot read your heart. But then the Remnant is small and persecuted.
"Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."
Praise be to God our Father and Christ Jesus His Son. Amen.
Speaking of saying all manner of nasty stuff against a brother, how does your calling John blasphemous, unorthodox, Arminian, arrogant, incompetent, evil heart, come out of your heart? Are you a brother in Christ?
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News Item10/6/12 5:21 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
common sense wrote:
More persecution and insults John.
Not at all, not at all. I'm only evaluating what I read, and come to certain conclusions. Why don't you answer any of my questions? And why do you vainly imagine these exchanges to be a contest?

p.s. I've never ever witnessed a sporting contest, where a contestant suddenly gets fed up of the effort and says, "I've won!" and then goes stalking off, casting aspersions on the other contestants.

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News Item10/6/12 5:04 PM
common sense  Find all comments by common sense
John UK wrote:
It is a mystery to me what he keeps babbling about.
But on the baptism issue, we have had this selfsame debate before. (p.s. he prefers to call them contests not debates; and before the debate has run its course, he always declares he has won the contest, puts a calvin medallion around his neck, and stands on a little rostrum he made specially, and plays back on an old cassette player some prerecorded applause to the sound of the bagpipes playing the John Knox Theme Tune.) Well, that's the impression I get anyway. Maybe he leaves out the appplause bit.
More persecution and insults John. Is this your version of Christianity? Is this Baptist doctrine? How sad that others posting cannot read your heart. But then the Remnant is small and persecuted.

"Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

Praise be to God our Father and Christ Jesus His Son. Amen.

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News Item10/6/12 4:46 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Well, I can only speak for myself as one who loves to debate issues with folks, but in this case even after I attempted to get clarification; I got none and this fellow kept saying I said something that I didn't say or imply. When someone does that I usually simply call them on it and then end it if they don't change their tactics. It becomes a not so honest debate when that "keeps" happening.
I have absolutely no idea what this fellow common sense is talking about regarding baptism? If and when you figure it out and can express it clearly for him, I might have an opinion on it.
It is a mystery to me what he keeps babbling about.

But on the baptism issue, we have had this selfsame debate before. (p.s. he prefers to call them contests not debates; and before the debate has run its course, he always declares he has won the contest, puts a calvin medallion around his neck, and stands on a little rostrum he made specially, and plays back on an old cassette player some prerecorded applause to the sound of the bagpipes playing the John Knox Theme Tune.) Well, that's the impression I get anyway. Maybe he leaves out the appplause bit.

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News Item10/6/12 4:25 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Please define this phrase for me and everyone else on these threads who are bemused by your strange meanderings and lack of desire/ability to answer questions put to you.
Well, I can only speak for myself as one who loves to debate issues with folks, but in this case even after I attempted to get clarification; I got none and this fellow kept saying I said something that I didn't say or imply. When someone does that I usually simply call them on it and then end it if they don't change their tactics. It becomes a not so honest debate when that "keeps" happening.

I have absolutely no idea what this fellow common sense is talking about regarding baptism? If and when you figure it out and can express it clearly for him, I might have an opinion on it.

I underwent believer's baptism and my act of being baptized was not salvific in any way. My children were baptized and they are all lost. But beyond that I don't know what to say at this time?

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News Item10/6/12 11:36 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
common sense wrote:
Oh John I love it when you get all emotive in your posts. You become so unChristian in your insults.
As for your question re adults coming to the faith where their parents are not Covenanted. We do not rely on their confession, paedoBaptism proves this.
Now remember Do not discriminate against the seed of Covenanting parents. God doesn't.
You say: "As for your question re adults coming to the faith where their parents are not Covenanted. We do not rely on their confession, paedoBaptism proves this."

What on earth does THAT mean?

Do you really not grasp my point?

If you claim that Baptists have "human input" in order to "authenticate" the baptism of a penitent sinner who happens to have unbelieving parents, and that this process is, quote, arminian; how then do Presbys decide when to baptise and when not to baptise the repenting sinner who does not have believing patents?

Surely you don't believe that a sinner MUST have "covenanted" parents in order to be elect?

Now your last post just proved my point about your diversionary tactics. See if you can do a mite better with your next one, please.

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News Item10/6/12 11:16 AM
common sense  Find all comments by common sense
John UK wrote:
You say: "...the arminian philosophy of requiring human input to authenticate their baptisms".
So how do YOU baptise an unknown quantity, when you baptise a believing penitent sinner (one of God's elect) if he comes from a family of unbelievers? Does someone in your church have to give some "human input" and "authenticate" his baptism? Or do you just baptise folks born to unbelievers willy nilly upon a profession of faith?
p.s. I have asked you this question many, many times, and you are yet to answer it. This does not bode well for your arguments, which are shown to be deceptive and irrational. I would sincerely like an answer, because until I get one, I can only regard you as a spiritual quack in the same league as Family radio.
Procrastinations, vague references to posts which have gone before, diversionary tactics, all speak of the devil, and it is time you realised that.
Oh John I love it when you get all emotive in your posts. You become so unChristian in your insults.

As for your question re adults coming to the faith where their parents are not Covenanted. We do not rely on their confession, paedoBaptism proves this.

Now remember Do not discriminate against the seed of Covenanting parents. God doesn't.

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News Item10/6/12 10:16 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
common sense wrote:
The only problem they have is the proper Biblical understanding of Baptism, which of course according to God's Word includes the seed, (of Covenanted parents), at infant stage. The poor old baptists have gone over to the arminian philosophy of requiring human input to authenticate their baptisms.
You say: "...the arminian philosophy of requiring human input to authenticate their baptisms".

So how do YOU baptise an unknown quantity, when you baptise a believing penitent sinner (one of God's elect) if he comes from a family of unbelievers? Does someone in your church have to give some "human input" and "authenticate" his baptism? Or do you just baptise folks born to unbelievers willy nilly upon a profession of faith?

p.s. I have asked you this question many, many times, and you are yet to answer it. This does not bode well for your arguments, which are shown to be deceptive and irrational. I would sincerely like an answer, because until I get one, I can only regard you as a spiritual quack in the same league as Family radio.

Procrastinations, vague references to posts which have gone before, diversionary tactics, all speak of the devil, and it is time you realised that.

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News Item10/6/12 10:00 AM
common sense  Find all comments by common sense
John UK wrote:
Please define this phrase for me and everyone else on these threads who are bemused by your strange meanderings and lack of desire/ability to answer questions put to you.
John. The phrase is "defined" in the post below the one you cut this one from. Just change the word "baptisms" to salvation.

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KJB Believer wrote:
Just one word?
That the thing about taking a/numbers of verse or word(s) out of context. It results in Smithites(Morons), Russalites, Waterdogs, Grace "Preachers" or Dry Cleaners(Bullingerites), Andersonies(Faithful Word Baptist Church), need I go on.
Thats more than one word.

I didn't chose the words John did.

BTW If you are implying that out of context is the same as heresy, then wait until you learn more about religion before jumping to conclusions.

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News Item10/5/12 4:03 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
common sense wrote:
...arminian DIY....
Please define this phrase for me and everyone else on these threads who are bemused by your strange meanderings and lack of desire/ability to answer questions put to you.
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News Item10/5/12 3:56 PM
KJB Believer  Find all comments by KJB Believer
common sense wrote:
The fourth is directly from the Greek word in Scripture and illustrates how we have remained Biblical.
Just one word?
That the thing about taking a/numbers of verse or word(s) out of context. It results in Smithites(Morons), Russalites, Waterdogs, Grace "Preachers" or Dry Cleaners(Bullingerites), Andersonies(Faithful Word Baptist Church), need I go on.
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News Item10/5/12 2:38 PM
common sense  Find all comments by common sense
John UK wrote:
The following words do not fit together very well......
1. good
2. biblical
3. calvinist
4. presbyterian
John. Promise me you'll study the Bible more closely. I don't want you to fall into the trap of arminian DIY. The first two words I'm sure you comprehend Biblically. The third as CHS states "IS" the Gospel. The fourth is directly from the Greek word in Scripture and illustrates how we have remained Biblical. But you dunkers since 1521AD have taken an alternate path from Bible Covenant doctrine.
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News Item10/5/12 10:45 AM
common sense  Find all comments by common sense
Lurker wrote:
2) If by elect you mean a
"good biblical Calvinist PRESBYTERIAN"........ No.
Actually I think a couple of Baptists might be "elect" too. For example C.H.Spurgeon and the Particular Baptists.

The only problem they have is the proper Biblical understanding of Baptism, which of course according to God's Word includes the seed, (of Covenanted parents), at infant stage. The poor old baptists have gone over to the arminian philosophy of requiring human input to authenticate their baptisms.

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News Item10/5/12 10:24 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
2) If by elect you mean a
"good biblical Calvinist PRESBYTERIAN"........ No.
Lurker

The following words do not fit together very well......
1. good
2. biblical
3. calvinist
4. presbyterian
.....and I'm right glad you said "No".

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News Item10/4/12 5:44 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
common sense wrote:
1) The Elect.
As indeed the whole counsel of God is delivered to.
2) Are you Elect Lurker?
1) An answer And one I can agree with!

2) If by elect you mean a
"good biblical Calvinist PRESBYTERIAN"........ No.

But if by elect you mean as Isaac was, a child of promise....... you'll find out on the last day.

. . .

Frank,

Thanks for answering for common sense. I believe you read his mind.

And don't be concerned if you don't agree with me on the biblical definition of truth. I'll respect your right to be wrong.

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News Item10/4/12 4:39 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
It sounds like they have done the same thing as the Catholics; turned a wonderful woman like Mary into the queen of the heavens and a wonderful Apostle like Peter into a demon they pray to. I'm sure many of the Puritans and reformers were wonderful Christians, but they are turning them into little gods.
Such a shame.
Little gods is right. The Huguenot Fellowship unashamedly shows pictures of the Genevan statues on their website, which doesn't seem to mention Jesus or salvation by his blood, but is full of references to Frenchy and his Genevan model, and a hope for a revived Reformation in these days.

Lost the plot.

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News Item10/4/12 4:10 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
When a person is immersed in the Holy Ghost, they become totally engrossed with what the Spirit would teach them and lead them in. This is very good.
When a person is immersed in what they perceive to be historic puritanism, they become totally engrossed with puritan books, puritan principles, puritan worship, puritan websites, puritan this and puritan that. They never talk about Jesus Christ and a personal relationship with HIM, they never talk about loving the lost or seeking to obey the Great Commission, they act arrogantly and deceptively, they come across as mean and bigoted, and they can only "love one another", that is, those who are covenanters like themselves. All others are apostates, heretics, heterodox, or Wesleyanistic arminists. This is not very good.
It sounds like they have done the same thing as the Catholics; turned a wonderful woman like Mary into the queen of the heavens and a wonderful Apostle like Peter into a demon they pray to. I'm sure many of the Puritans and reformers were wonderful Christians, but they are turning them into little gods.
Such a shame.
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