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Pastor Rick Warren Hospitalized, Awaiting Diagnosis
Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church was hospitalized Tuesday after experiencing pain in his arms.
The renowned Southern California pastor will be undergoing a series of tests to determine what the cause is though the doctor's "diagnostic guess" is that he has an inner ear virus that may have spread to the nerves in his neck and down his arms.
"[P]ray for a quick and accurate diagnosis, a fast remedy," he asked his megachurch in an email Tuesday late afternoon.
KJB Believer wrote: 1) Faith come from belief, which is done everyday by believers and unbelievers.
2) .... faith, belief, and the word of God (word of satan not include) are not gifts because anyone can have them. Eternal Life is the -free(Rom 5:15-18)- "gift of God through Jesus Christ our Lord". The only other mention of gift from God in the Bible(KJB) is the gift of our talents and using them.
1) Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
2) 1Cr 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ [from another]? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive [it], why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received [it]?
Obviously I don't agree with freewill theism. However, I will refrain from calling you a heretic and questioning your salvation just because you don't agree with me. Think about it.
Phoebe wrote: Perhaps a sermon on Matt 23 would be in order, so that no one can plead innocence on judgement day.
Yes, and if we love our neighbour as ourself, we would preach the sermon with a hope that repentance would ensue, and that all the unregenerate hypocrites would hearken to the message, leave off their legalism, and see the glory of a salvation by faith alone in Christ alone. It is a wonderful thing that Jesus has done it all, and that we can add nothing to his perfect work.
Of course there will be those who would preach the message in the hope that none would repent but that their hearing of the truth would make their punishment that bit more fierce. Jonah was a bit like that.
Phoebe wrote: But I was more refering to how that might persist today in Christian circles.
Persists today? Sure it is rampant. And it needs a cure. The unregenerate can be cured by turning to the Lord in repentance and faith, calling upon him and saying, "God be merciful to me, the sinner."
The cure for the Christian is a bit different, but it would result in the same calling upon the Lord. Edification and sanctification is always effected by the word of God. And for this hypocrisy crime against light, we would do well to observe the life of Christ in the four gospels, seeing in him the character of God, seeing how he lived, and seeing how we shape up to HIM. Then, when we realise how far short we come, we could isolate any particular aspect of character the Lord shows us to be at fault, and then pray for grace to help in time of need, saying sorry to the Lord for being so mean and unloving both to him and to our neighbour.
But then there is a problem. When this is preached from our pulpits, it seems to go in one ear and out the other. No-one seems interested in actually obeying the Lord, or discussing the sermon after the meeting. (Oh I've got to get off home, the roast will be burnt.)
Well I think if you read previous posts that is the whole context. But I was more refering to how that might persist today in Christian circles. I used the example of the homosexual fiasco. I know it's difficult for you, but I wasn't giving my vote for either the sin of homosexuality or the sin of negligence to obey the greatest commandment. I was putting them side by side as being 'sin'. I was also pointing out that the sin against the greatest commandment is not considered an abomination worthy of Gods wrath, seemingly. This seems to have caused a lot of confusion.
Phoebe wrote: ...this 'discussion' was about Pharisee's and hypocrisy.
Ah yes, the Pharisees, whom Jesus had strong words for, because they were legalists, applying what they thought was every little jot and tittle of the law not only to themselves but to allcomers, not sparing, but demanding vengeance and the full rigour of the law, such as the attempted stoning of the woman caught in adultery, in the very act, to whom Jesus said, "Let him that is without sin first cast a stone at her", upon which all those vigilantes slunk off, having been convinced of their hypocrisy, seeing as they were strict in keeping the tithing laws but had no thought for the more important matters of the law such as mercy.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23 KJV
These religious were unregenerate:
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Matthew 23:13 KJV
Phoebe wrote: Actually Micheal no offense, but this 'discussion' was about Pharisee's and hypocrisy. Matt23. and Christian's negligence of making any fuss over those kinds of sins while making a big fuss of some other kinds of sin. Homosexuality for instance. Freedom of speech for instance. There appears to be form of knowledge on this site without understanding.
The fuss over homosexuality for instance, is derived from homosexual agressiveness in promotion of their "lifestyle" in the form of anti-Christian legal and social maneuverings. The fuss over free speech for instance is derived from the efforts to stifle Christians from speaking.
If those calling themselves believers(those among you per Matt 22) were to say "We will not love God and we hate the brethren" then to be sure the fuss you wish to see would come about, for they would not be believers, but pretenders. True believers know they don't keep God's law perfectly, nor can they. But they know they are covered by Christ, who alone did and can.
Actually Micheal no offense, but this 'discussion' was about Pharisee's and hypocrisy. Matt23. and Christian's negligence of making any fuss over those kinds of sins while making a big fuss of some other kinds of sin. Homosexuality for instance. Freedom of speech for instance. There appears to be form of knowledge on this site without understanding.
Phoebe wrote: A pharisee would want to nail you down for
Phoebe I so hope you realize Jesus Christ died to save sinners such as myself and others who post here on SermonAudio. We are not perfect but in Him have been given His perfect righteousness before the Father as a gift. And while many could point out our faults, failers, shortcomings and sin, no one is able to bring a condemning accusating against us before God, not because we are good enough but because the shed blood of Jesus Christ given for us is.
IMHO something beyond the discussion here is troubling you, so please don't get upset with me if I remind you Scripture tells us to 'cast all your care upon the Lord for He cares for you', and that would be with intimate knowledge of everything you are going through and every desire you have to be pleasing in His sight, and even more all the grace you need from Him.
A pharisee would want to nail you down for saying "yet you NEVER mention the violation of the greatest commandment, you do not HATE (the sin of - my edit) those amongst you who fail to LOVE the LORD your God with all their heart .." Surely you might have given me a little credit? But what you have done is ignore the content for the 'offense'.
Phoebe, in what way have I not loved God or neighbor? if you have an offense, please express freely your religious thought, as given through heartfelt prayer.
I am of the belief that the book of Acts, the apostles, the entire scope and exmaple of the NT is a believing people among the heathen, not a theocracy. I would not arrest a 7th day Adventist for worshipping on Sat, nor would I expect them to hang me by the toenails for worshipping on Sunday.
Nor would I force a Jewish friend to baptize their baby as a Protestant. (for it would not profit their soul, and by misrepresenting Christ would harm mine)
I would not imprison someone who approves of abortion. However, the act of destroying the unborn is taking a life.
Phoebe wrote: Matt:22:37. Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it:You shall love your neighbour as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
Phoebe, to love God with all the heart involves accepting what he says about the means of salvation, namely that it cannot be by works of the law, but the hearing of faith. It is a terrible sin to imagine vainly that eternal life could ever be by the works of the law. Basically it is unbelief. To love your neighbour as yourself involves among other things telling him that a broken law may be forgiven through the blood of Christ, who died in the place of sinners, bearing their sins and the wrath of God due unto those sins. Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, he propitiated the wrath of God. He lived a perfect life that his righteousness might be imputed to all who believe.
I recommend that you love God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind, and your neighbour as yourself. But if you fall short of 100%, then know that there is a Saviour who is willing and able to save you.
Matt:22:37. Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. The second is like it:You shall love your neighbour as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
Matt 23 The scribes and pharisees sit in Moses seat. 23 they bind heavy burdens hard to bear and lay them on mens shoulders Woe to you scribes and pharisee's, hypocrites! Woe to you blind guides who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! You outwardly appear righteous to men but inside are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Therefore you are witness's against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up then the measure of your fathers guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers, how can you escape the condemnation of hell?
A pharisee would want to nail you down for saying "yet you NEVER mention the violation of the greatest commandment, you do not HATE (the sin of - my edit) those amongst you who fail to LOVE the LORD your God with all their heart .." Surely you might have given me a little credit? But you have done is ignore the content for the 'offense'.
Phoebe wrote: When I said 'all' I meant a good proportion of the people on this site, including you if you are guilty of the sin I described - that of neglect to obey the law yourself in all its glorious detail.
My dear Phoebe, we are ALL guilty as charged in that we have failed to perfectly obey the law of God. That is no problem for me to admit for myself, and I'm sure others will concur. Only Jesus Christ has ever kept the law in perfection, and he did so, so that sinners can have his perfect righteousness imputed to them by faith; and when he died he paid the price for a broken law, that we might be forgiven and saved when we call upon him.
If you have not grasped these basic gospel truths, you really need to meditate upon them. Also meditate upon what I said about the "purpose of the law". It never was there to be a means of life eternal, it brings into condemnation, every time. And the only way a newborn saint can possibly attain to keeping the law is by letting Christ work out his character from within, not by conscious frantic effort to obey. "It is God that worketh IN you..."
When I said 'all' I meant a good proportion of the people on this site, including you if you are guilty of the sin I described - that of neglect to obey the law yourself in all its glorious detail. You do not seem familiar with the text concerning the hypocrites and liars. The Word of God makes it quite clear.
"I'm not questioning what scripture says John. I'm questioning what you here say about the Christian's right to free speech."
I fear you are at odds with another, as I have never said anything about the Christian's right to free speech. When you said "all" I took it you included me.
However, you open up a suitable topic for relating to, and one which is very close to mine own heart, as I myself have been subject to distressing situations caused by those who profess grace, but who do not seem to have any grace themselves.
Surely, whenever a sinner passes from darkness to light by the grace of God, the Holy Ghost comes to indwell that new saint, and they immediately begin to draw a new life from the True Vine, which is Jesus Christ. This is why they are a new creature in Christ Jesus, with a new heart, a new spirit, a new direction. If they abide in the vine, the fruit they produce will be sourced from the root, not themselves.
This is why the law is a schoolteacher to bring us to Christ. Attempts to obey the law are futile, but when a believer is filled with Christ by his Spirit, he bears the fruit of the Spirit, which is The Royal Law.
The cure, then, for it, is to point people to Jesus, not themselves.
I'm not questioning what scripture says John. I'm questioning what you here say about the Christian's right to free speech. People who are fond of quoting the law others break, might like to inquire into what God thinks of the one who does not keep the commandment found in Deut.6:5. Have you made this the least of the commandments? Not worthy of Gods wrath?
This is a forum fond of telling others what God hates, but God has an abhorance of coldness of heart, indifferent religion and hypocrisy. Not much mention of these kinds of sin, the liscentious sins get a good going over and appear to be incurring Gods wrath over the nations.
Do you hate homosexuality? Do you hate the coldness of mens hearts with equal ferocity or is that going too far?
Phoebe wrote: Deut:6:5 says, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and might. This is a command. When you don't keep it, is it an abomination and violation against the law?
What purpose The Law?
Galatians 3:22-26 KJV 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Do you not want to see your fellow countrymen loving God with a whole heart and their neighbour as themselves? You brought the subject up, so I thought you might also have the cure if it is not happening.