Historian says piece of papyrus refers to Jesus' wife
A historian of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School has identified a scrap of papyrus that she says was written in Coptic in the fourth century and contains a phrase never seen in any piece of scripture: "Jesus said to them, 'My wife …'"
The faded papyrus fragment is smaller than a business card, with eight lines on one side, in black ink legible under a magnifying glass. Just below the line about Jesus having a wife, the papyrus includes a second provocative clause that purportedly says, “she will be able to be my disciple.”
The finding is being made public in Rome on Tuesday at an international meeting of Coptic scholars by the historian Karen L. King, who has published several books about new Gospel discoveries and is the first woman to hold the nation’s oldest endowed chair, the Hollis professor of divinity....
Christ didn't have a wife, because he was God. He came to save men souls not to start a race of "super-heroes."
Since Christ was one with God and the Holy Spirit, how then could these verses be fulfilled?
John 8 58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Matthew 8 11 "And I say to you, that many shall come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven;
Matthew 19 3 And some Pharisees came to Him, testing Him, and saying, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause at all?" 4 And He answered and said, "Have you not read, that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5 and said, 'FOR THIS CAUSE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND SHALL CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE; AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? 6 "Consequently they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."---NASB
Again, read, the article by John Ankerberg, or this one about the Person of Christ ISBE) and his continued deity.
Jimbo gudg wrote: Sorry I said (if jesus had a wife) I know He did not. What I was trying to say if that he would of had to have comited sin to have one. He had no need to have a wIfe He came to save us who are lost sinners not for plesher
Well, I understood you that is why I defended your comment. Thanks Neil and Michael for your comments also!
Neil wrote: So while the numerous ancient manuscripts telling us of Christ's miracles & Resurrection are not to be believed, this singular fragment is credible.
Sorry I said (if jesus had a wife) I know He did not. What I was trying to say if that he would of had to have comited sin to have one. He had no need to have a wIfe He came to save us who are lost sinners not for plesher
Never ceases to amaze how so called scholars criticize and pick apart thousands of new testament documents that confirm each other so consistently it defies reason and yet a piece of scrap paper from the fourth century talks about a Jesus and a wife and they are sure this is the real thing. Helllooooo study your history these are the Gnostics beliefs that John battled and that tried to supplant true doctrine and true scriptures. The dating and writing and area are the same as the Alexandrian manuscripts that the Gnostics and Jesuits have dooped our society into accepting. Same devil different lie.
Slater wrote: Firstly Jesus did not have a wife, no question about it. Secondly, you present a false dichotomy. Christ is perfect, Paul was writing to the imperfect.
So do you contend that there was no sexual desire and marriage union in the perfect Eden before the fall?
I think Adam and Eve were conceived as man and wife. Genesis has lots of blank spaces, but clearly if they had sex prior to the fall, then it wouldn't have been a sin. But it would have been in conjunction with the command to be fruitful and multiply. Christ had no such mandate; therefore marriage would be antithetical to His purpose. I think you are making this more complicated then it is; Christ was not married and could not have been married; therefore Christ never desired a woman for sexual purposes.
Marriage is of course not sinful. Free will is also not sinful, but leads mankind to sin. Loyalty to a spouse is not sinful, but will lead mankind to a divided loyalty. I think Adam proved that.
Frank wrote: And lastly, Paul argued that it would be better for someone to remain single because their loyalties and service would be divided. Do you really think that Christ could have divided loyalties and still be the Messiah?
Firstly Jesus did not have a wife, no question about it. Secondly, you present a false dichotomy. Christ is perfect, Paul was writing to the imperfect.
Frank wrote: Scripture teaches that you love someone, want to have sex with them and can't control that impulse and then to avoid sinning; you get married. God planned it this way so that mankind would reproduce and fill the earth. Now with those thoughts in mind, I think we can see the difference between marriage and sex among mankind versus the mere thought of marriage and sex for the "spotless" lamb of God.
So do you contend that there was no sexual desire and marriage union in the perfect Eden before the fall?
Slater wrote: Nonsense on two grounds. Firstly Jesus did not have a wife, no ifs about it. Secondly, it is not a sin to marry.
Of course it is not a sin for man to marry. Scripture teaches that you love someone, want to have sex with them and can't control that impulse and then to avoid sinning; you get married. God planned it this way so that mankind would reproduce and fill the earth. Now with those thoughts in mind, I think we can see the difference between marriage and sex among mankind versus the mere thought of marriage and sex for the "spotless" lamb of God. And lastly, Paul argued that it would be better for someone to remain single because their loyalties and service would be divided. Do you really think that Christ could have divided loyalties and still be the Messiah?
There is one thing for certain and that is that the Catholic Church is not going to believe that Jesus was married because it has never believed that Jesus was married. Praise our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Now and ever and unto the ages of ages.
my first century, first hand accounts of the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, translated into English testify of Christ's life, and show very clearly who Christ was.
Praise be to the Christ who came, died, and rose from the dead.
Sorry, the previous post was suppose to have this one.
The leaders of the LDS Church have also taught that their Jesus was married and had children, and that he was even a polygamist. Apostle Orson Pratt, in his book, The Seer, page 172, says:
"...the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a Polygamist...the Messiah chose to take upon himself his seed; and by marrying many honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that he approved the plurality of Wives under Christian dispensation... The son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings' daughters and many of the honorable Wives were to be married. We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time..."
The below are some of the quotes I came across concerning Mormonism and Jesus having wives and polygamy, etc. I know they don't publicy preach these things now, but this detestable lie concerning our Lord and Savior is not new!
Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy. "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266).
Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269).
Orson Pratt, an apostle, told in his doctrinal book entitled, "The Seer," page 158:
"...The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father. Inasmuch as God was the first HUSBAND TO HER (Mary), it may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in this mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity..."
If one actually watch the video that SA provided this female? theologian? tippy-toed around the idea that Jesus had a wife.
First one has to remember Copts aren't Christian, many of their writings supported Gnostic teachings. so like any of the New Testament Pseudepigrapha it is rejected by everyone, including Catholics, q.v., How We Got Our Bible.
John Ankerberg addresses the question Was Jesus Married? (PDF) asked by the Gnostics --and Dan Brown.
Sign of the times. Expect more things like this. Sooner or later, maybe, something REALLY BIG. A real test of faith. Scripture is not without warning that this sort of thing would happen in the last days.
"The discussion is particularly animated in the Roman Catholic Church, where despite calls for change, the Vatican has reiterated the teaching that the priesthood cannot be opened to women and married men because of the model set by Jesus."
Probably all that's left of the lost 5th Gospel. The Romish church wouldn't want this papyral fragment to see the light of day.
Ridiculous. More weight for the new agers now, not to mention the Dan Brown crowd. Just another story authored by Satan to discredit Christianity. We'll just shrug this off and add it to the apophrical (spelling?) writings, but the ignorant will believe it and the haters will run with it. Can you all imagine if things such as this were reported concerning Muhammed? We'll, they never are since true Biblical Christianity is Satan's only threat.
Dr. Steven J. Lawson | 6/13/2010
Dr. Alan Cairns | 4/6/2009
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