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SATURDAY, SEP 15, 2012  |  17 comments
Sen. Paul Calls for End of Aid to Pakistan, Egypt, Libya

Pointing to recent attacks on American consulates and embassies — including the murder of U.S. Libyan Ambassador Christopher Stevens — Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on September 13 offered an amendment to the foreign aid bill that would deny funds to Pakistan, Egypt, and Libya.

Paul’s amendment is a revised version of a measure he put forward in July that would have held up aid to Pakistan pending the release of Dr. Shakil Afridi.

Dr. Afridi is believed to have played a vital role in the manhunt that led to the locating and killing of Osama bin Laden. He is being held in a Pakistani prison on a 33-year sentence. Afridi ran a vaccination program that was allegedly just a front for a CIA operation to obtain a DNA sample that would verify bin Laden’s presence in Pakistan. A senior CIA official told the New York Times that the effort ultimately was unsuccessful.

Following a debate on the Senate floor ...


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jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Mike - greetings again and interesting points. when it comes to running markets, its not just about using a resource, its about owning and controlling it all.

such is the mind of a globalist. its about world consolidation.

its different than a local company that hires locals and puts pride in a product and builds from there.

its the tension between coorporatism, which has no moral boundaries whatsoever v. free market.

you are right, those that will have us go over there where we are not wanted will also stop the use of our own resources and those of our close allies.

the whole economy could be turned around and yet it is prevented. some say its about the environment tree huggers. not really.

there's much on the table, obviously.

for a look at another world movement outside of the petrodollar, look into the water wars. no mistake to see some of the same names in that as well. they learned well from oil.

they use our tax dollars to continue on, not even having to invest their own funds -- its usery.

Rufus, once again

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News Item9/18/12 10:17 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
jpw wrote:
Mike -- greetings. ya might want to look into pipelines and amount of oil there. estimates from third largest to first largest reserves in world.
at least Jim has a theory for why we went there. I still don't.
jpw, the amount of oil we get from Iraq or Kuwait is tiny. The amount we get from Canada is twice that from Saudi Arabia, where we aren't fighting an idiotic war. And it may well be the US that has the largest oil reserves in the world, much of it on government owned land. Have you heard of the Green River Formation? When we have oil but refuse to get it, or issue permits for exploration or drilling, or build a pipeline for Canadian oil, or allow drilling in unpopulated areas of Alaska, I find no substantive reason to go into the hostile mideast, where as you say we are not welcome, and spending billions more than we could receive in benefit from the oil there in the first place. So when Jim thinks Bush got into it for oil, I say he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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News Item9/18/12 8:19 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
marty wrote:
Mr. Lincoln, it's interesting to meet a Xtian claiming to be happy with being a new Roman, after the apostle John had so many nice things to write about old Rome. I guess if we put a nice Christian covering on old Rome, we don't need to obey God's Law anymore. Now, you said a lot about your views on politics, but could you provide Scriptural footnotes to support your views or are they just pragmatic?
Pax Romana has turned to Pax Americana and Christians are leading the charge. There is no Christian argument for the Israel-first, kill 'em all let God sort 'em out mentality of statists who hide under the banner of Christianity. May God forgive this country for its unprovoked invasions of foreign lands, the theft of their property and the murder of their people.
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News Item9/17/12 9:16 PM
Taking A Public Stand  Find all comments by Taking A Public Stand
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News Item9/17/12 9:04 PM
marty | usa  Find all comments by marty
Mr. Lincoln, it's interesting to meet a Xtian claiming to be happy with being a new Roman, after the apostle John had so many nice things to write about old Rome. I guess if we put a nice Christian covering on old Rome, we don't need to obey God's Law anymore. Now, you said a lot about your views on politics, but could you provide Scriptural footnotes to support your views or are they just pragmatic?
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News Item9/17/12 8:59 PM
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News Item9/17/12 8:47 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Mike -- greetings. ya might want to look into pipelines and amount of oil there. estimates from third largest to first largest reserves in world.

at least Jim has a theory for why we went there. I still don't.

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News Item9/17/12 8:13 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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1)...Bush, just substitute "oil" for "Banana" and getting American soldiers killed to protect oil interests in the main, means I would have introduced a bill to impeach the bum if I were in Congress.
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2) ...Something has to be done with all that oil money that our soldiers gave their lives for
1)Suggestion, Jim. Before commenting on oil, get informed, look into how much of it we get from there.

2)What are they giving their lives for in Afghanistan? Poppies? Dirt? Maybe you should call for impeachment, for as someone has said, Obama is Bush on steroids.

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News Item9/17/12 7:26 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
JIm -- its not about cutting its about spending appropriately for national defense and the original tenets of the rep, which is why RP enjoyed more support from active duty than other candidates combined.

Multimillion dollar facilities in hostile nations? ya think that's a good use of money? do you have potholes in your roads too? we're getting drained dry.

ha, 2.3 trillion "lost" by Pentagon in 2001 and tens of trillions given in bailouts since by both parties!

its like a madhouse, who can even keep track?

the strange part is hearing people defend this kind of recklessness.

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News Item9/17/12 2:51 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Rufus, perhaps if the U.S. cut down on its military spending, World Military Spending. JPW might like to see a large cut? Actually, I have always be quite please being a New Roman, and seeing our legions being able to make their presence felt anywhere --But to say I have been happy with the latest military adventures e.g., Banana War Bush, just substitute "oil" for "Banana" and getting American soldiers killed to protect oil interests in the main, means I would have introduced a bill to impeach the bum if I were in Congress.

No, both the Pauls are rather bit of simpletons. This isn't the 19th Century. By the way, as you should have seen, Israel doesn't get that much foreign military aid from us, The dark side of foreign aid, nor would they have to increase their spending that much to make up for it.

Why Mike N.Y., I'm not that much for lowering the military budget, if you haven't guessed already I'm for raising taxes on the U.S. Plutocracy to keep it well funded. Something has to be done with all that oil money that our soldiers gave their lives for

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News Item9/16/12 9:54 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
alternatively there is always wrote:
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Continued...
"But for those serious about reducing the deficit, foreign aid is hardly the place to start. Instead, try entitlements. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid make up almost half of federal spending each year."
It doesn't have to be either or...shut it all off.
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News Item9/16/12 3:18 PM
alternatively there is always  Find all comments by alternatively there is always
"The $1.5 billion requested for Egypt in the president’s fiscal year 2011 budget puts the country fourth on the list of recipients for aid managed by the State Department and the United States Agency for International Development. Only Afghanistan ($3.9 billion), Pakistan ($3.1 billion) and Israel ($3 billion) have more aid requested for them. Most of the money for these four countries is allocated for “peace and security,” a broad category that includes combating drug traffickers and terrorists as well as preventing the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. In Egypt specifically, $1.3 billion of the requested amount this year is for “peace and security.”

U.S. foreign aid has a variety of goals. ......" Forbes

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"But for those serious about reducing the deficit, foreign aid is hardly the place to start. Instead, try entitlements. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid make up almost half of federal spending each year."

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News Item9/16/12 11:48 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Pakistan is a nuclear nation, and it might pay to give them "tribute," because of that.
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How New American, Jim. "Please don't hurt me, here's my lunch money"
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News Item9/15/12 5:05 PM
marty | usa  Find all comments by marty
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Considering Israel is akin to being the 51st state, and shining example of a democracy--just one of the reasons that Arabs--hate it so much, and because Israel's innovation benefits the world this anchored "aircraft carrier" is the only reliable ally in the area we got. But even some Israel admit to it.Mr. Paul seems to have a simplistic understanding of quite a few things (an inherent fault to Republicans in general and to his father in particular. ) Some of this foreign aid is bribe money, but apparently we have been bribing the wrong people an in the wrong ways. Pakistan is a nuclear nation, and it might pay to give them "tribute," because of that. But are aid to the Arab countries has to be changed in some ways, that is for certain, the author is nasty to both Republican and Democratic Presidents, a good example of equal-handedness.
My my, Mr. Lincoln, that is the most eloquent justification of thieving my eyes have ever read. I'll say, with casuistry like that, you might have a place in Congress or among the Jesuits.
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News Item9/15/12 2:55 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Considering Israel is akin to being the 51st state, and shining example of a democracy--just one of the reasons that Arabs--hate it so much, and because Israel's innovation benefits the world this anchored "aircraft carrier" is the only reliable ally in the area we got. But even some Israel admit to The dark side of foreign aid.

Mr. Paul seems to have a simplistic understanding of quite a few things (an inherent fault to Republicans in general and to his father in particular. ) Some of this foreign aid is bribe money, but apparently we have been bribing the wrong people an in the wrong ways. Pakistan is a nuclear nation, and it might pay to give them "tribute," because of that. But are aid to the Arab countries has to be changed in some ways, that is for certain, Column One: The reign of imagination, the author is nasty to both Republican and Democratic Presidents, a good example of equal-handedness.

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News Item9/15/12 12:03 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Rufus

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News Item9/15/12 11:58 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
This is a capital idea. In fact, all foreign aid to all countries should be discontinued starting at the top with the country we give the most to. All that money which would've left America could then be returned to its rightful owners and we would be one step closer to prosperity again.
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