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TUESDAY, SEP 11, 2012  |  37 comments
Pastors Are Hurting

Not all the news about pastors is discouraging. Pastors feel privileged to be called to their places of ministry. They have a deep love for those they shepherd. Most of them could not conceive of doing anything else.

But please hear me: Many pastors are hurting.

LifeWay Research conducted a national survey of Protestant pastors. Among the questions they asked were two related to the hurts I noted above.

One of the key symptoms of the pain experienced by pastors is discouragement. Over one-half (55%) of pastors are presently discouraged. I suspect that if we surveyed pastors over just a few months, we would find that almost all of them experience deep discouragement. ...


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Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
James is back wrote:
John Y is definitely saved and a seeker of truth. Jim L not so sure...lol.
John why stay in the Catholic church?
tunafish sandwitch anyone?
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News Item9/15/12 6:11 PM
James is back | Louisianna  Contact via emailFind all comments by James is back
John Y is definitely saved and a seeker of truth. Jim L not so sure...lol.
John why stay in the Catholic church?
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News Item9/15/12 5:51 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John Yurich USA wrote:
Michael Hranek..You stated
John Yurich
Despite whatever the Catholic Church taught or didn't teach you. If you want to live in a fantasy world of religous make believe that is your business.

BUT

Kindly don't put words into my mouth that I didn't say.

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News Item9/15/12 5:03 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
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What is a Catholic who is Born Again supposed to do if they are not comfortable with the non liturgical worship of Evangelical Protestant Churches?
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How about considering there is little importance in ritual, and much in substance? What exactly do you get from bells and smells, repetition and formula worship?
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News Item9/15/12 4:18 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Michael Hranek..You stated that when you were a Catholic that you were never taught about John 3:16? Well I was taught about John 3:16 by the Catholic Church.

You state that everybody who is Born Again has to attend an Evangelical Protestant Church or else they are not saved? Nowhere in the Bible are two requirements for salvation listed namely embrace Jesus as ones Savior and church membership. The only requirement for salvation the Bible gives is for one to embrace Jesus as their Savior.

Do you actually believe that someone who is not Born Again and not being guided by the Holy Spirit knows that there are some unscriptural Catholic doctrines and some unscriptural parts to the Mass?

What is a Catholic who is Born Again supposed to do if they are not comfortable with the non liturgical worship of Evangelical Protestant Churches? Attend and be misserable?

Normal Evangelical Protestants recognize that there are Born Again individuals in the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Mainline Protestant Churches and not just in Evangelical Protestant Churches.

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News Item9/15/12 9:53 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
KJV English speaking-Onlyist wrote:
Sorry about that, it just that that it sounded liked you believe you can lose your salvation, sorry about my quick judgment.
KJV English
Apology accepted.

I am a former never to be again Roman Catholic, having been born into a practising Catholic family BECAUSE when I was 28 God saved me, I knew I was as good Baptists might say, thoroughly a sinner by nature and by choice, deserving nothing but hell.

As a Roman Catholic I had NEVER been taught of John 3:16 and the immeasurable love God commendeth to us on the cross while we were yet sinners Christ died for us, and that Jesus was mighty to save, able to make us into a new creation. My mother often times mocked believers who talked about being born again.

Before salvation I hated people, especially Christians. What a wonderful permant eternal change when God saved me!

Anyway from where He has brought me I am quite aware people can 'play church' and still be very much lost and unsaved, that is a large part of why I post to John Yurich as I do, knowing Catholicism is a very false counterfeit version of Christianity that genuine believers have no part of belonging to nor enabling.

People we ought in the grace of God seek to be genuinely saved.

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News Item9/15/12 9:32 AM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Sorry about that, it just that that it sounded liked you believe you can lose your salvation, sorry about my quick judgment.
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News Item9/15/12 9:25 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
KJV English speaking-Onlyist wrote:
Mike why does its seems, you believe that you can lost your salvation?
KJV English
I don't undestand your question.

Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners, He saves us FROM our sins NOT IN our sins whereby we have a perversion of grace, licensing us to go on unrepentant in them.

If any man is in Christ Jesus he is a new creation, NOT a continuation of the same old sinner with a relgious venere, but a very much CHANGED individual. Something eternally different from someone who has merely become religous.

No, I do not believe someone saved by the Lord Jesus Christ is going to loose their salvaton. Jesus Christ is entirely able to keep them and will do so.

However in that day He will tell some 'I NEVER knew you'.

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News Item9/15/12 9:06 AM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Mike why does its seems, you believe that you can lost your salvation?
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News Item9/15/12 9:04 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John Yurich USA wrote:
I did repent of the sin of believing the unscriptural Catholic doctrines
John Yurich
Whew!

Thank you so much for reminding me of how I need the grace of God to politely deal with people who play church and make up their own version of Christianity to suit to fit the sin they like and want to do.

People like yourself who willfully ignore and disobey the word of God (which would be sin) in your case to refuse to 'come out from among them and be separate.'

I don't think you will much like the day of the Great White Throne Judgment when THE BOOKS are opened and men are judged by the things written in them.

Thanks again for reminding me that with some they could care less of what God Himself says to us in the Bible, and even how some will quote Scripture and give their own personal interpretation to avoid actual obedience to the Savior they claim to believe in so much.

But hey you are such a real example of how people can be deluded that they are really saved by 'saying the prayer' when conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment were not first real in their hearts, only a desire to (ab)use Christ to escape hell and have a 'happy religion' that pleases them in the way they wanted to go all along.

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News Item9/15/12 8:56 AM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
John I do believe by your posts that you are saved but I asked of you to "come out of her"
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News Item9/15/12 8:46 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Michael Hranek wrote:
John Yurich
Words just words.
For the record from the things you have posted for years here on SermonAudio you would be an example of something enormously amiss in whatever the altar call you responded to.
Primarily your lack of repentance and obedience to the Word of God.
Certainly some miss the reality that the Lord Jesus Christ is obligated to respond to an honor the vain words of one who truly wants to escapte the punishment of hell but have no desire nor intention of obeying Him.
I did repent of the sin of believing the unscriptural Catholic doctrines after I embraced Jesus as my Savior during that Altar Call. After embracing Jesus I started being guided by the Holy Spirit to know that there are some unscriptural Catholic doctrines and some unscriptural parts to the Mass. If I was not being guided by the Holy Spirit then I would not have the ability to know that there are some unscriptural Catholic doctrines and some unscriptural parts to the Mass. Someone who is not being guided by the Holy Spirit does not have the ability to know that there are some unscriptural Catholic doctrines and some unscriptural parts to the Mass. It is impossible for someone not guided by the Holy Spirit to know that.
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News Item9/15/12 5:36 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Bbc
Yes, Salvation is all of God, a supernatural work only God Himself must do to save a sinner from their sins.
So, and it is an enormous SO, if a sinner cries out to Him in prayer for His mercy, for forgiveness, that God would save him from his sins and create in him a clean heart, maybe not even knowing exactly how to put his deep brokeness and sorrow for sinning wickedly against God, offending Him, deserving nothing but His punishment, and a desire beyond anyting he deserves to be made right with God into words, will God hear? will He answer?
Luke 18:9-14
My thoughts exactly, brother. Maybe Bbc has not yet read Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan, where the unconverted "Christian", carrying a book under his arm, seeks to flee from the City of Destruction, repeating to himself some words found in that book, "The Wages of Sin is Death", and being concerned and deeply remorseful about his sins, he sets off, not knowing where to go, or what to do, until he "chances" upon a man named Evangelist, who advises him to look towards the Light, "Do you see it?" upon which he replies, "I think so." And so continuing on his way, he eventually comes to the hill calvary and beholds one dying for him....
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News Item9/15/12 4:54 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Bbc wrote:
John yurich wrote:
Romans 10:9-10 states to make a public confession of faith in the LORD JESUS CHRIST as ones personal SAVIOUR etc.
Still trying to find it in the Bible where it says to come to altar and ask JESUS into my heart.The LORD GOD says in Hebrews 10:16,17. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days,saith the LORD,I will put my laws into their hearts,and in their minds will I write them;and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Sounds like it is all of GOD to me and not some little prayer I prayed when the preacher told a sad story and I got all emotional and was manipulated to come down to the old fashioned altar.
Bbc
Yes, Salvation is all of God, a supernatural work only God Himself must do to save a sinner from their sins.

So, and it is an enormous SO, if a sinner cries out to Him in prayer for His mercy, for forgiveness, that God would save him from his sins and create in him a clean heart, maybe not even knowing exactly how to put his deep brokeness and sorrow for sinning wickedly against God, offending Him, deserving nothing but His punishment, and a desire beyond anyting he deserves to be made right with God into words, will God hear? will He answer?

Luke 18:9-14

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News Item9/15/12 12:56 AM
Bbc  Find all comments by Bbc
John yurich wrote:
Romans 10:9-10 states to make a public confession of faith in the LORD JESUS CHRIST as ones personal SAVIOUR etc.
Still trying to find it in the Bible where it says to come to altar and ask JESUS into my heart.The LORD GOD says in Hebrews 10:16,17. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days,saith the LORD,I will put my laws into their hearts,and in their minds will I write them;and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Sounds like it is all of GOD to me and not some little prayer I prayed when the preacher told a sad story and I got all emotional and was manipulated to come down to the old fashioned altar.
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News Item9/14/12 8:52 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Michael Hranek wrote:
John Yurich
Words just words.
For the record from the things you have posted for years here on SermonAudio you would be an example of something enormously amiss in whatever the altar call you responded to.
Primarily your lack of repentance and obedience to the Word of God.
Certainly some miss the reality that the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT obligated to respond to an honor the vain words of one who truly wants to escapte the punishment of hell but have no desire nor intention of obeying Him.
CORRECTION, sorry
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News Item9/14/12 7:31 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John Yurich USA wrote:
Romans 10:9-10 states to make a public confession of ones faith in Jesus as ones Personal Lord and Savior to be saved. That is what the Altar Call is all about to get individuals to ask Jesus to come into ones heart and cleanse one of all sins and become ones Personal Lord and Savior. Prayer is the only way to communicate with Jesus to have Him becoem ones Savior and Lord.
John Yurich
Words just words.

For the record from the things you have posted for years here on SermonAudio you would be an example of something enormously amiss in whatever the altar call you responded to.

Primarily your lack of repentance and obedience to the Word of God.

Certainly some miss the reality that the Lord Jesus Christ is obligated to respond to an honor the vain words of one who truly wants to escapte the punishment of hell but have no desire nor intention of obeying Him.

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News Item9/14/12 7:22 AM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
I'd not saying a altar call is not Biblical but... what about those who make a confession of faith and they had no faith, because they just repeat what another person said, or etc. and not by his own mouth(Rom 10:9a,10b), from his heart(Rom 10:9b,10a), and with faith(Heb 11:1), and not desire to tell others after his confession of faith(Rom 10:11)[I don't believe you can lost your salvation if don't do his works(Eph. 2:8,9), but I do believe that what you do is to show the evidence of your salvation(Eph. 2:10), and I am not talking about backslide believers, I'm talking about the one who said he got saved] I don't believe he is saved
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News Item9/14/12 6:26 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Bbc wrote:
My bibles says nothing of an altar call in Romans 10:9.man made tradition taking millions to hell.just like romish confession of ones sins to a priest.TOTALLY Unbiblical!!
Romans 10:9-10 states to make a public confession of ones faith in Jesus as ones Personal Lord and Savior to be saved. That is what the Altar Call is all about to get individuals to ask Jesus to come into ones heart and cleanse one of all sins and become ones Personal Lord and Savior. Prayer is the only way to communicate with Jesus to have Him becoem ones Savior and Lord.
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News Item9/14/12 4:29 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Bbc wrote:
My bibles says nothing of an altar call in Romans 10:9.man made tradition taking millions to hell.just like romish confession of ones sins to a priest.TOTALLY Unbiblical!!
Bbc
If we are not careful we can get into a totally unneeded arguement over 'altar calls' Romans 10:13-15

It is Scriptural to make a public confession of faith confessing the Lord Jesus Christ unashamedly before men (women and children too).

It is Scriptural to pray, to seek God in prayer, to confess your sins to God (not to "the priest"), and in faith the Lord Jesus Christ died for us to ask God to save one from their sins, and (I thank God for Paul Washer who emphasized the point) to keep on praying and seeking God, calling upon His name until He either saves you or you die

And I would have to think it is anti-Christian to hinder and put a stumbling block before the lost to their seeking the mercy of God in prayer, the supernatural work only God Himself can and must do to save a sinner and regenerate them into a new creature in Christ, literally into being His own child in the new birth, after all the Only True and Living God is good and abounds in mercy to all who call upon Him

The PROBLEM is when sinners don't call upon Him to be saved from their sins

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