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'Tumour' of Israel will soon be destroyed: Ahmadinejad

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told an annual anti-Israel protest in Tehran on Friday that the Jewish state was a "cancerous tumour" that will soon be excised, drawing Western rebukes.

Washington said Ahmadinejad's statements were "reprehensible", while Paris viewed them as "outrageous."

Ahmadinejad's diatribe against Israel in his Quds (Jerusalem) Day address was the latest in a long line to have drawn criticism from Western governments.


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Weng 51 | Switzerland  Find all comments by Weng 51
For thus saith the Lord of hosts:After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which he spoiled you:for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of my eye.(Zechariah 2:8). Mr. Amadinejad should remember Nazi Germany and repent or he will face God`s terrible judgement.
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SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Jesus Saves wrote:
All this because Abraham said oooo yes, when Sarah told him to go unto Hagar, and Hagar being a honest runway slave.
While I dont agree with your disrespectful tone towards Father Abraham, in a way it does apply to the thread. Christian Zionists are spiritually in bed with a bondwoman and consequently partakers in her evil deeds.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

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News Item8/19/12 3:22 PM
Jesus Saves | Ormond Beach, FL  Find all comments by Jesus Saves
All this because Abraham said oooo yes, when Sarah told him to go unto Hagar, and Hagar being a honest runway slave.
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News Item8/19/12 2:15 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
2. When the Messiah came, God's people had him crucified, bringing upon themselves the wrath of God, as previously prophesied in the OT, whereby they were all turfed out of the land and spread worldwide, their name becoming a byword, and hated by most all.
3. Further prophesies in the OT revealed that at some point, God would relent, and his people would return to their own land again, which thing occurred in 1949 when Israel was constituted once more.
Is that it?
Good afternoon John Uk
The Wrath of God abides on ALL without Christ. Whether its Jerusalem 70AD or 2012

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him

God regathers his Elect by the Gospel, what happened in 1940-1949 is just the fulfillment of this OT truth

Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

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News Item8/19/12 9:26 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
For the last several hundred yrs their sages consider it part of the mosiac law to dispossess the inhabitants of the land(Num 33:53). Considering the land size of the Abrahamic Covenant, you can imagine how the people of the land both Christian & Muslim would be anxious
Good morning Steve

I am very sorry but I could grasp none of what you wrote.

But here is my simple biblical summation of the "holy land" and who has a right to it. See if you agree with me.

1. God gave the parcel of land to his people, allowing a peaceable exit for those already there. But none left peaceably, so there was a fight for it, and God gave the victory to his people and they possessed the land.

Fast forward:

2. When the Messiah came, God's people had him crucified, bringing upon themselves the wrath of God, as previously prophesied in the OT, whereby they were all turfed out of the land and spread worldwide, their name becoming a byword, and hated by most all.

3. Further prophesies in the OT revealed that at some point, God would relent, and his people would return to their own land again, which thing occurred in 1949 when Israel was constituted once more.

Is that it?

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News Item8/19/12 7:53 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
I am unaquainted with dispossessing Palestinians
For the last several hundred yrs their sages consider it part of the mosiac law to dispossess the inhabitants of the land(Num 33:53). Considering the land size of the Abrahamic Covenant, you can imagine how the people of the land both Christian & Muslim would be anxious

Numbers 33:53 And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it.

""The Ramban (Nachmonides) writes that the commandment to settle the Land of Israel is a positive mitzvah of the 613 commandments of the Torah. they are commanded with two duties: first, to possess the Land through conquest, and secondly, to dwell in the Land:

This ruling was confirmed by all of the early (Rishonim) and later halachic authorities (Achronim) as set forth in the "Pitchei T'shuva," ""

This commandment doesnt apply to all Hebrews, as many have converted to Islam or Christianity overthe centuries. The commandment applies to current adherants of Judaism, whether proselyte or not
Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell..

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News Item8/18/12 6:18 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Who knows the mind of the Lord? Perhaps an earthly Israeli fulfillment is his will? That I dont know. I do know what my comission is, and its not dispossessing palestinians. I will continue to pray for my brothers in the Mideast.
Our Christian Brethren in the Mideast are not Zionists(in its secular manifestation of today)
I am unaquainted with dispossessing Palestinians or political involvement or east-west relations, because I am a Pilgrim not a Puritan, and believe in separation of church and state, being a nonconformist and all, separatist, dissenter, whatever you want to call it.

Now I suspect you have some knowledge (which I haven't) of something called Christian Zionism, which seeks to assist present day Israel in the political sense. Now that is the sum total of my knowledge concerning it, because I'd rather have biblical knowledge than worldly knowledge. Besides, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" belongs solidly in the OT rather than the New.

And I am right with you on the Great Commission, which ought to be the focus of every church everywhere. This is the command of Jesus Christ, and we have failed miserably in fulfilling the order.

Gotta turn in....God bless all.

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News Item8/18/12 6:05 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Who knows the mind of the Lord? Perhaps an earthly Israeli fulfillment is his will? That I dont know. I do know what my comission is, and its not dispossessing palestinians. I will continue to pray for my brothers in the Mideast.

Our Christian Brethren in the Mideast are not Zionists(in its secular manifestation of today)

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News Item8/18/12 5:53 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
In anticipation of your response.....
Steve, I have been grappling with this issue since 1979, and it would be the easiest thing in the world to bow down to the Reformed scholars and say what you say.

However, being a "whole Bible man" and a "sole Bible man", otherwise known as "sola scriptura", I will read the scholars perhaps for confirmation (I'm sure you've had that experience), but I will read the Bible for my doctrine, seeing as the Lord (as Michael said earlier) teaches his saints through his word and by his Spirit. This way, once you have a doctrine taught you by the Lord, you'll never be brought down by the enemy.

I've noticed that many in the Reformed Camp will definitely wrest some of the scripture in order to maintain a preset doctrine. And this just doesn't wash with me. I feel very uneasy about it. The spirit within baulks at some of the things men say and believe and hold forth.

BTW. Do you really think I'm a dispensationalist?

However, over the years, I am coming to believe that God has got something for Israel yet, and I am unaquainted with what that something is. It is scripture which has brought me to that, not some fallible man like myself.
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Thanks Frank.

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SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
In anticipation of your response, I quoted Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

The time is fulfilled, and I understand 11:25 in light of 11:26

We embrace Jews(and Muslims) with the Good News
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

You reap what you sow. If we sow seeds of strife in Israeli/palestinian conflict, we will reap strife. John UK, you must ask yourself what type of vessel you are in Gods Kingdom. A vessel made for Honour, or a vessel made for destruction, and behave accordingly.

How many more generations of Jews need perish in Israel unsaved before the dispensational Church realizes how they have exploited them for their doctrinal benefit?

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News Item8/18/12 5:10 PM
Frank | Clearwater, FL  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Steve, if they are no different than you and I, why does Paul separate them from Gentiles in this text:
Romans 11:25 KJV
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Israel here does not mean "NT church" obviously. And something is to happen when all the "fulness of the Gentiles be come in". Something a bit different.
And as you said, we are to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to all men worldwide, including the country of Israel, not giving them any hope outside of Christ. Even Abraham and all the OT saints were saved by the Lord Jesus and his atonement.
I agree fully with your thoughts and know where you are coming from, but our thoughts can be easily misunderstood. GOOD LUCK!
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News Item8/18/12 5:02 PM
Porter  Find all comments by Porter
John UK wrote:
I don't understand it, but it does seem like God has a plan yet for the Jewish people, which he will carry out in his time and way.
The plan God has is the same for both Jew and Gentile, salvation by faith. The verses Rom 11:30-32 tell us that no difference nor special favour is owed by God to any particular nation. All nations are now embraced together in "unbelief" that all might be saved only by the mercy of God, regardless of nationality.
Ro 11:23 And they [Israel] also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again"

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God"
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

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News Item8/18/12 4:57 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
there is a plan
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
They are no different than you and me
Steve, if they are no different than you and I, why does Paul separate them from Gentiles in this text:

Romans 11:25 KJV
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Israel here does not mean "NT church" obviously. And something is to happen when all the "fulness of the Gentiles be come in". Something a bit different.

And as you said, we are to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to all men worldwide, including the country of Israel, not giving them any hope outside of Christ. Even Abraham and all the OT saints were saved by the Lord Jesus and his atonement.

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News Item8/18/12 4:37 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
there is a plan

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

They are no different than you and me
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Encouraging Israelis like Christian Zionits do, is akin to what the false prophets did in Judah after the Assyrian Conquest of Israel. The false prophets gave Judah the false hope that all would be well, they didnt have to turn from their wickedness and believe God.

Jeremiah 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

Teaching Christian Zionism is teaching rebellion
Jeremiah 28:15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.

Jeremiah 28:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD.

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News Item8/18/12 4:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Only in Christ can they be heirs
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Yes I agree with what you say, and I am not thinking of the Zionist cause at all, rather what scripture appears to teach. Now I am not well up on this subject, but it is verses like this that cause me to think, and I trust you will bear with me as I develop thoughts on the matter:

Romans 11:30-32 KJV
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these (Jews) also now not believed, that through your mercy they (Jews) also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

I don't understand it, but it does seem like God has a plan yet for the Jewish people, which he will carry out in his time and way.

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News Item8/18/12 4:07 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
hmm, Christian Zionists: The Real Terrorists One of the real problems that we have in this country is, Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists.
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SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
QUOTE][AUTHOR]John UK[/AUTHOR]Steve, I am a bit puzzled about how you have analysed that "Christian love" is a Christian, when he has only one short post?
Also I am surprised that you seem to ignore the worldwide consensus of hatred against the Lord's people of the old covenant, and the obviously biblical principle of a penitent Israel being restored into favour with God some time in the future. Just asking bro.[/QUOTE]John UK
1) I gave both Christian Love and Russ the benefit of the doubt. Yes, I could be wrong in one or both cases
2) Christ is heir to ALL of the promises. Only one with everlasting life can be heirs to everlasting promises
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Encouraging and praying for the proselytes of samaritan pharisees to dispossess palestinians isnt my calling

My calling is proclamation & sharing the fruits of the Spirit not Wrath
Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Only in Christ can they be heirs
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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News Item8/18/12 3:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
It took only 4 posts before a Christian was accused of being like Hitler, Muslim hoardes and wanting to destroy Christians by another Christian. I would have guessed 20 posts
Kristian zionism is like a new master, you cant serve it and Christ.
Steve, I am a bit puzzled about how you have analysed that "Christian love" is a Christian, when he has only one short post?

Also I am surprised that you seem to ignore the worldwide consensus of hatred against the Lord's people of the old covenant, and the obviously biblical principle of a penitent Israel being restored into favour with God some time in the future. Just asking bro.

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News Item8/18/12 1:52 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Russ wrote:
So the way I see it you are placing yourself among the likes of Hitler and all the rest of the Muslim hoard bent on the destruction of not only the Jews, but also Christians as well.
It took only 4 posts before a Christian was accused of being like Hitler, Muslim hoardes and wanting to destroy Christians by another Christian. I would have guessed 20 posts

Kristian zionism is like a new master, you cant serve it and Christ.

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News Item8/18/12 1:36 PM
Russ | Texas  Find all comments by Russ
Christian Love what you said is completely ignorant on more than one level. On a purely secular level, you would oppose the ONLY ally and true democratic nation in the entire middle east. On a biblical level, you are way off base. They are not all Israel, but a very large portion of them are and like it or not the nation of Israel is still Israel with it's remnant just like it was in the days of Elijah. We as Christians are grafted into them not the other way around. So the way I see it you are placing yourself among the likes of Hitler and all the rest of the Muslim hoard bent on the destruction of not only the Jews, but also Christians as well.
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