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Wycliffe Sees Opposition to New Bible Translation

Medieval pastor John Wycliffe continues to cause a stir among churches—even in the 21st century—as his Bible translation ideas upset Christian leaders once again.

In the 14th century Wycliffe used indigenous language to convey Scripture. He angered church leaders with radical moves like replacing the Latin Deus with the English God.

Today’s Bible translators follow in his footsteps, using alternative terms for the Trinity and heavenly beings to reach new audiences—and they’re encountering the same resistance Wycliffe did. ...


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News Item9/2/12 5:31 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Inerrancy wrote:
Sooner or Later, You Have to Choose between the Bible and Inerrancy
Thank you.

Tell me, do you believe the following Bible verse to be inerrant?

John 3:36 KJV
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

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News Item9/2/12 1:38 AM
Inerrancy  Find all comments by Inerrancy
Jesus on Inerrancy

Sooner or Later, You Have to Choose between the Bible and Inerrancy

John UK wrote:
I can't even laugh at your ignorance Jim, as you've already been taught why the translators used this Latin word in their most excellent and inerrant Bible, the glorious King James version.
Wilful ignorance is pitiful.

Excellent little article. Thank you.

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News Item8/21/12 3:14 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Like I said in my last comment man want to upgrade the OKJV.
Don't most you Bible critics on online have a online dictionary, or even better a 1800s Daniel Webster Dictionary. If you do, why don't you when you find a word you do not understand, go to the dictionary and learn a new way of saying that meaning, and raise your ID(a Ph.D can't do that).
That what you Bible critics want. A people who had to go to the pastor with a Ph.D. to know what scripture means, instead of finding it out themselves by reading and studying their Bibles(which is in only one version today). In others word you want a levity. Wait was that what the RCI was doing when the dop...pope said the people of Europe could not read scripture, and attack the
Waldensians who disobey that command, because they believe that they can had God word.
Note: Waldensians was named after Peter Waldo, but according to the RCI historians back then, there were Waldensians before Waldo was even born. Wait, wasn't there KJVO before Ruckman was even born.
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News Item8/21/12 2:47 PM
E.R.Udite  Find all comments by E.R.Udite
Jim Lincoln wrote:
"unicorn"
"When Westcott and Hort published their Greek Text in 1881, all but one of the more than 200 early Egyptian Papyri were yet to be discovered. According to their view, none of these Papyri (dated between 100 and 300 A.D.) should support the readings that are included in the traditional text but not in ALEPH, B, or D. They believe their major premise (that the traditional text was fabricated in the fourth century). Sturz [14] has collected lists of readings found in Papyri dated between 100 and 300 A.D. that contradict the major premise of Westcott and Hort. His first list gives 150 different readings of the traditional text, that Westcott and Hort rejected because they were found in neither ALEPH, nor B, nor D. This evidence is extremely damning to the major premise because it is 50 times longer than the list Westcott and Hort offer for proof of conflation." (J.A.Young)

Isn't it sad Jim that modern versions such as NASB NIV etc are so badly translated because of the inept attempts made by Westcott and Hort which have been incorporated into modern versions.

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News Item8/20/12 4:43 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Jim Lincoln
If there are no Baptists on the translation team for an English Bible, throw it into the recycle bin.

Mr. Jim do you know your history? Because if you did you know that most of the early Baptist churches in America was formed by believers who got save listening to a Anglican preaching a KJV, who read it and saw form the Baptist churches. So many of them did this that the same Anglican said "my chickens have turn in ducks".
No I would not have a English bible that has a Baptist in.
1. Because the word Baptist is only use with John the Baptist in the Bible
2. The Baptists are just as bad today with their doctrine as the Anglicans was.
3. I rather have a Bible that God had control over.
4. I rather have a Bible that the RCI was from the beginning was trying to destroy(that how the "lost book" got in for only like 50 years)
5. I rather have a Bible that man tries to "upgrade".
6. Anglicans translated the Bible, and the RC "early church fathers" regulate the canon, and God made sure that it was not corrupted.
7. The KJV has been use D.L. Moody, Sam Jones, Bod Jones Sr., ect. who were not Baptists.

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News Item8/20/12 3:45 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Get a good laugh when you run into the word, "unicorn,"
I can't even laugh at your ignorance Jim, as you've already been taught why the translators used this Latin word in their most excellent and inerrant Bible, the glorious King James version.

Wilful ignorance is pitiful.

Defeat in Battle wrote:
Jim Lincoln disarms the Christian and the Church by dulling the blade of the Sword of the Word.

Recall Satan's method of planting the seed of doubt in Eve: "yea, hath God said?" And now consider how modern scholarship has planted seeds of doubt in believers about the trustworthiness of God's words, in effect doing Satan's bidding and asking, "yea, hath God said?"" Disarming the Saints. The Bible as Defective Weaponry (Brandon Staggs)

Excellent little article. Thank you.
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News Item8/20/12 3:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Get a good laugh when you run into the word, "unicorn," Errors in the King James Version? -- definitely yes!

But did the AV have Baptist translators, is it in at least 20th century English? No? Throw it into the recycle bin. Most people keep saying yes go ahead and use this (third-rate) version of the Bible, but isn't even all that good theologically? Again the answer is no!

Doug Kutilek wrote:
And I could write at length of the KJV's fourfold reference to the Holy Spirit, Third Person of the Trinity, as "it" (John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; I Peter 1:11), which in my opinion comes little short, if indeed it comes short at all, of blasphemy. Baptist theologian Emery Bancroft ascribed this horrid translation to Socinian influence among the KJV translators...The Socinian doctrine of the Holy Spirit was roughly the same as that of the Jehovah's Witnesses, whose translation--alone of modern Bible versions--also refers to the Holy Spirit as "it.". . . .
excerpt from Restating the Obvious about Bible Translation
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News Item8/20/12 2:48 PM
Defeat in Battle  Find all comments by Defeat in Battle
Jim Lincoln wrote:
the AV if fraught with
Jim Lincoln disarms the Christian and the Church by dulling the blade of the Sword of the Word.

"Scoffing Scholars and Dull Swords: a Seed of Unbelief
"As we saw in the temptation of Christ, "it is written" is the ultimate rebuke against temptation and error. Remember that the Bible likens Scripture to a sword, which is a weapon used both offensively and defensively. In our protracted spiritual warfare, we must take on the armor God has promised us -- we have no right to request otherwise, and will have no excuse if we ignore the Sword at our disposal.

Recall Satan's method of planting the seed of doubt in Eve: "yea, hath God said?" And now consider how modern scholarship has planted seeds of doubt in believers about the trustworthiness of God's words, in effect doing Satan's bidding and asking, "yea, hath God said?"" Disarming the Saints. The Bible as Defective Weaponry (Brandon Staggs)

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News Item8/20/12 2:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John UK., well one thing is for certain, the AV if fraught with bombastic language and errors, Indisputable, universally recognized errors in the KJV. If there are no Baptists on the translation team for an English Bible, throw it into the recycle bin.

If people want to see different versions of the Bible up close and personal, this is reasonably good site, NT Gateway, though it didn't mention one of my favorite sites, The CrossWire Bible Society

Why John UK, I'm glad you are a supporter of the NKJV, it followed the Textus Receptus, more closely than the AV! q.v., The Conflict Over Different Bible Versions - Part 9.

But anyway,

Doug Kutilek wrote:
...the sole justification for producing and publishing any Bible translation is so that those who do not understand the words in the original languages can nevertheless gain access to them through words they do understand in their own language....
excerpt from, ...The Obvious....
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News Item8/19/12 4:21 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
It is a most wonderful thing to be able to quote the words of Jesus, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life", and to know for sure, nothing doubting, that these words are the inerrant words of the Almighty God incarnate.

It is a very sad thing that within christendom there are poor dabs who are incapable of reading any text within the Holy Bible without having certain doubts as to whether or not it be true; and this, because certain scholars have filled their minds with doubts, claiming that there is no Bible on earth which is inerrant. And yet, despite claiming "errors", these same wicked scholars do not seem able to correct those "errors" and produce for us a perfect inerrant Bible. Why is this?

It is because they are not capable of "receiving" the word as it really is, the word of God. The Received Text is not arrived at scholarly, but by revelation of the Spirit, the Spirit bearing witness to it, and quickening through it, and sanctifying the saints.

Unbelief is a sin, and Jesus warned about "not causing one of these little ones who believe in me to sin".

It is The Millstone Doctrine!

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News Item8/19/12 3:59 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Mr. Lincoln we do not worship the KJV we believe that it is God's word to the English people. We don't say on the streets "the Bible(KJV) saves" we say as a little toddler yelled out"the Bible says, Jesus Saves".
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News Item8/19/12 3:47 PM
instead  Find all comments by instead
Jim Lincoln wrote:
James White.... inerrancy of the KJV.
"All of the examples of alleged errors in the King James Bible that James White lists in his book can be answered with a little study and comparison of the various Bible versions both old and new. The simple fact is that James White does not believe in the inerrancy of any Scripture we can hold in our hands and read with full confidence that we are reading the very words of God. All he has to offer us is an endless series of conflicting and contradictory ball-park approximations of what God might or might not have said.

It is somewhat humorous to see his "political correctness" in recommending to his readers the NKJV along with the NASB and the NIV as being "reliable and trustworthy versions", and then turn around and criticize many readings as being erroneous which are also found in one of his recommended bibles. It seems Mr. White's real agenda is the promotion of uncertainty regarding the inerrancy of Scripture; himself as the "final authority", and "anything but the King James Bible" as the source of relative Truth. It's all a big, tragic Shell Game. "Now you see it, and now you don't." (James White's Shell Game)
http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/kinney-james-white-shell-game.html

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News Item8/19/12 3:34 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The same logic that is used by the Jehovah Witnesses. The Mormons use that "logic" to declare their peculiar religious works sacred.

No, if you want to even follow along that line, you would say Luther's Translation of the Bible is the only one sanctioned by God, and translate it from German into the "inferior" language of English or say the Vulgate is the one to use, Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today. The Textus Receptus was a poorly done translation, Erasmus and the Textus Receptus....

No, I think Baptists are just going to have to say the only God-sanctioned translation for anglophones is one that had Baptists on the translation team, and is in modern English, so that will end the argument for most of us, q.v., Restating The Obvious About Bible Translations.

Anyway, if you need to follow the Textus Receptus then the NKJV has to replace the KJV! See, The Conflict Over Different Bible Versions - Part 9

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News Item8/19/12 2:57 PM
instead  Find all comments by instead
"One also knows that the King James Version is a faithful translation of the true New Testament text through the logic of faith. Since the formation of the Textus Receptus was God-guided, the translation of it was God-guided also. For, as the Textus Receptus was being formed, it was also being translated. The two processes were simultaneous. Hence the earlier versions, such as Luther's, Tyndale's, the Geneva, and the King James, were actually varieties of the Textus Receptus. And this was necessarily so according to the principles of God's preserving providence, for the Textus Receptus had to be translated in order that the New Testament churches, the rank and file, might continue giving it their God-guided approval" God's Providential Preservation of the Scriptures
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News Item8/19/12 2:19 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
First of all,
Doug Kutilek wrote:
I have repeatedly challenged those who claim to have “the final authority” in their hand and mock the very idea of the “original authority” view. My challenge is this: “Which ONE KJV edition is the infallible ONE?” There is no “wiggle room” here. We are told by the KJVO faction that “God wrote only one Bible” and that “things which differ are not the same.” So, tell me straight out: which one KJV edition is the infallible one. It must be only one (if any at all), not two or three, or the KJV editions taken collectively. It must be just one. Until you can with certainty identify it for us, the objections raised against those who appeal to the "originals” as their final authority is entirely discredited.
from Answers to a reader's question of KJV as his final authority. You have the 1611 KJV, the 1769, and the last Authorized version is the RV of 1881 (you can get that too, with the e-Sword Bible program.

For a lengthy, excellent article q.v., The Preservation of Scripture or Reformed view.

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News Item8/18/12 5:09 PM
KJV English speaking-Onlyist  Find all comments by KJV English speaking-Onlyist
Don't having more than one standard go against Dem 25:13-16, if you look at it broadly.
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News Item8/18/12 3:26 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Usually in the order listed is the NASB, the ESV, then perhaps the NIV --1984 or earlier! You can really make up your own mind, by reading the very lengthy Comparing Bible Translations and especially reading the conclusion, Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions.

One might disagree with the conclusions in that the author didn't like the New King James Version, which is quite accurate --If You Read the Notes In The Center!!!!

But guess, why limit yourself to one version, the great 19th century Charles Spurgeon didn't, even though he usually preached from the KJV. With a computer, which you obviously have, you can have various versions, e-Sword Downloads You can have both the 1611 and 1769 KJV (Don't forget to get the necessary Strong's Concordance for the KJV), and The Crosswire Bible Society both these have free Bible programs. There is absolutely no reason to limit yourself.

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News Item8/18/12 11:29 AM
Jesus Saves | Ormond Beach, FL  Find all comments by Jesus Saves
What are the bible that topped the KJV?
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News Item8/17/12 2:15 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Considering when the KJV --cult-- is attacked, they call other people liars?
QUOTE][AUTHOR]James White[/AUTHOR]Generally speaking, KJV Only writers have no interest in being fair or impartial in their handling of the manuscript and textual data of Scripture. They also have little desire to accurately or honestly reflect the opinions of those with whom they disagree. Indeed, there is no effort made to appreciate the strengths of the positions of anyone who would speak a word against the inerrancy of the KJV.[/QUOTE]Why KJVO Claims and Arguments Cannot Be Trusted
That nonsense about W&H, again! Westcott & Hort: Victims of KJV-Only Smear Campaign

Numbers 21:9 and 2 Kings 18:4

The KJV has become the Nehushtan (See the above verses.) for KJVO types first a Bible that could be used to get at the Word of God fitfully, and then the KJV has become a pagan idol, for shame.

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News Item8/16/12 3:15 PM
a truthful contribution  Find all comments by a truthful contribution
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, as Dr. Joyner pointed out you shouldn't be blaspheming other versions of the Bible! The homosexual king James authorized the KJV, not God. The KJV blasphemes the Holy Spirit
Telling lies and trying to deceive again Jim.
And just to promote your modern version to which your two anglican liberal heretic buddies contributed to!!
It is no wonder you blaspheme with such ease.

Quote;
"The charge then is advanced by adversaries of the King James Version that King James I of England was a bawdy fellow and even a homosexual. However, these charges as well collapse upon further investigation." King James I of England

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