members, click to sign in..

3,073 active users!!Bandwidth
SATURDAY
JUL 26, 2014
Home
NewsSITE
Events & Blogs
New Audio & Video
BroadcastersNew Stuff!
Local Church Finder
Live Webcasts
Sermons by Bible
Sermons by Topic
Sermons by Speaker
Sermons by Date
Staff Picks
CommentsALL -2 hrs
Top Sermons
VideosPDFs
Daily Log
PhotosNew Stuff!
StoresNew Stuff!
Online Bible
Hymnal
Daily Reading
Our Services
Submit Sermon
Members Only

 
RELIGION, CURRENT EVENTS, TECHNOLOGY Subscribe to the breaking newsWhat is RSS?
FRONT PAGE  |  7/26/2014
SUNDAY, AUG 5, 2012  |  108 comments  |  2 commentaries
Should Christians Give All of the Tithe to Local Church?

Christians often ask if they should give all of their tithe to the local church, or if they can give a portion of it to a ministry. To help find the answer, a Christian minister quotes preacher John Piper on his blog this weekend.

Chris Willard, director of generosity development at Leadership Network, takes up the issue of tithing on his personal blog, providing the transcript of a message by Piper, who served as pastor at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, Minn., for over three decades.

"There's no clear biblical mandate that your generosity has to be in a certain proportion to your church and to other ministries," Willard, who served with Campus Crusade for Christ for more than 25 years, quoted Piper as saying in a message on April 14, 2008. ...


CLICK HERE to Read Entire Article
www.christianpost.com

|  FOCUS  |  Audio commentaries on this news item | more..
Giving - How To Give To God • 120+
Vincent Sawyer | Faith Baptist Church
Play! | RSS
Giving To The Lord's Work • 120+
Vincent Sawyer | Faith Baptist Church
Play! | RSS

Should NT Christians tithe?
|  START  |  Recommended sermons | more..
•  Should NT Christians tithe?Dr. Alan Cairns | 9/21/2009
•  Bountiful, Hilarious Giving • Jon Cardwell | 12/30/2007
•  What About Tithing? #1 • Albert N. Martin | 4/22/2007

   06/16/14  |  US Protestant Churches Implement Giving Campaign Annually to... • 8 comments
   10/26/13  |  Report: Church Giving Reaches Depression-Era Record Lows • 3 comments
   08/04/13  |  Should You Tithe When Things Get Tough? • 30 comments
   05/19/13  |  Study: Christians Who Tithe Have Healthier Finances Than Those... • 6 comments
   01/30/13  |  A Bad Economy or Is the Church Losing America's Heart? • 2 comments
MORE RELATED ( TITHING ) NEWS | MORE..
   07/25/14  |  Here's what Wisconsin looks like covered in millions of flies • 9 comments
   07/25/14  |  New Law Led to Statewide Drop in Abortions • 1 comments
   07/23/14  |  Obamacare Takes Devastating Blow as Appeals Court Throws Out Key... • 14 comments
   07/22/14  |  Christian Holocaust Underway in Iraq • 21 comments
   07/21/14  |  SermonAudio Tip: SermonAudio App v2.5.8 for Android Mobile... • 50 comments
OTHER CHOICE NEWS | MORE..
   06/02/14  |  A Letter to SermonAudio From a Missionary to Haiti • 10 comments
   02/07/14  |  Bringing the Gospel of John to Every Home in Austin, TX • 31 comments
   01/07/14  |  SermonAudio Partners with RFC for the 2014 Family Conference at... • 1 comments
   01/01/14  |  Happy New Year from SermonAudio! • 29 comments
   12/10/13  |  SermonAudio Broadcaster Loses Historic Church Building To Fire • 3 comments
OTHER CHOICE NEWS | MORE..
   07/25/14  |  Here's what Wisconsin looks like covered in millions of flies • 9 comments
   07/25/14  |  Rand Paul Veers Off Party Line on Sentencing, Voting Rights • 1 comments
   07/25/14  |  FEC chair warns of chilling regulations, book ban on... • 2 comments
   07/25/14  |  Newspaper Editor Fired for Criticizing Pro-Gay Bible Files... • 1 comments
   07/25/14  |  Meet the Hamas billionaires • 7 comments
OTHER RECENT NEWS | MORE..

COMMENTS | show all | add new  
    Sorting Order:  
· Page 1 ·  Found: 108 user comment(s)
News Item8/16/12 10:53 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
I read this passage this morning and pondered it a while. It appears to concern the indebtedness Gentiles have toward the Jews.
Romans 15:25-27 KJV
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.
Spiritual things are of the Jews. The Gentiles have been made partakers with them by the grace of God. And so these Gentiles were keen to assist the poor saints in Jerusalem, and did so.
Am I reading this right?
Sounds right to me, John.
108

News Item8/16/12 8:36 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Dil Emma wrote:
Whole Counsel of God. KJV.
Reformed and Protestant.
Biblical Calvinist.
Presbyterian.
WCF, L/C.
Canons of Dort.
Three Forms of Unity.
Reformed Creeds.
May I ask why on your response on 8/15/12 3:17 PM contained

"Philip a miracle worker...
Acts 8:6 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done"

The text if from Acts 8:13(The baptism of Simon the Sorcerer), with a label Acts 8:6(The confirming miracles of Philips Preaching in Samaria)

Thank you

107

News Item8/16/12 5:00 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I read this passage this morning and pondered it a while. It appears to concern the indebtedness Gentiles have toward the Jews.

Romans 15:25-27 KJV
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

Spiritual things are of the Jews. The Gentiles have been made partakers with them by the grace of God. And so these Gentiles were keen to assist the poor saints in Jerusalem, and did so.

Am I reading this right?

106

News Item8/15/12 5:04 PM
Dil Emma  Find all comments by Dil Emma
SteveR wrote:
I have enjoyed this discussion you have shared with my dear brother in Christ John Uk. May I ask, what background of teaching do you draw upon for your responses? Creeds, catechisms, statement of beliefs that you feel best express your faith.
Thank you
Whole Counsel of God. KJV.
Reformed and Protestant.
Biblical Calvinist.
Presbyterian.
WCF, L/C.
Canons of Dort.
Three Forms of Unity.
Reformed Creeds.
105

News Item8/15/12 3:55 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dil Emma wrote:
John
You picked two miracle workers for your theory. I'm sure they were very able to read the grace working in the early converts. They clearly required special abilities in God's eyes since that is what HE provided them with.
Philip a miracle worker...
Acts 8:6 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done
And of Peter it says...
Acts 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people.
Best stick to normal mortals for this discussion John.
Are you saying you are a normal mortal who needs a normal mortal mentor?

How then are you going to follow the Christ?

But hey, if I get your strange point, you are saying that Philip possessed something which we do not possess? Man, that is clutching at straws, and denying biblical precedents at a whim, brother!

Steve, feel welcome to join the discussion. Dilly follows the WCF no doubting it.

104

News Item8/15/12 3:26 PM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Dil Emma wrote:
John
You picked two miracle workers for your theory. I'm sure they were very able to read the grace working in the early converts. They clearly required special abilities in God's eyes since that is what HE provided them with.
Philip a miracle worker...
Acts 8:6 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done
And of Peter it says...
Acts 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people.
Best stick to normal mortals for this discussion John.
Dil Emma,

I have enjoyed this discussion you have shared with my dear brother in Christ John Uk. May I ask, what background of teaching do you draw upon for your responses? Creeds, catechisms, statement of beliefs that you feel best express your faith.
Thank you

103

News Item8/15/12 3:17 PM
Dil Emma  Find all comments by Dil Emma
John UK wrote:
Acts 8:35-38 KJV
35 Then Philip.....
Would you censure Philip for baptising this new convert?
Or Peter for baptising
John
You picked two miracle workers for your theory. I'm sure they were very able to read the grace working in the early converts. They clearly required special abilities in God's eyes since that is what HE provided them with.

Philip a miracle worker...
Acts 8:6 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done

And of Peter it says...
Acts 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people.

Best stick to normal mortals for this discussion John.

102

News Item8/15/12 2:54 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dil Emma wrote:
2. Ah now there is the problem isn't it John. Do you use a human ability to weigh up? Or do you read the heart as God does? The flaw in the process...
Ahem

Observe:

Acts 8:35-38 KJV
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Would you censure Philip for baptising this new convert?

Or Peter for baptising those thousands who professed repentance at pentecost?

Man, you've got to get a hold of biblical principles.

Galatians 1:23-24 KJV
23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
24 And they glorified God in me.

101

News Item8/15/12 2:37 PM
Dil Emma  Find all comments by Dil Emma
John UK wrote:
2. weigh up very carefully the evidence of grace
2a. Now you can either say that grace does NOT evidence itself
2b. you take away from God the glory due unto him for his miracle of grace,
3. some tares will slip through.
4. the Presbyterian way of baptising all children
5. parents really ARE believers?
2. Ah now there is the problem isn't it John. Do you use a human ability to weigh up? Or do you read the heart as God does? The flaw in the process is being a mere human which results in your point 3. below.
2a. The positive nature of grace in Christian life emerges over time. For example when we become familiar with the individual witness of another person. This as I say takes time.
2b. I don't think any sinner can quote "take away" the glory from God. HE certainly does not require glory to come from sinners in the first place.
3. Tares being baptised is the point I would make to you. Your confession based baptism ceremony is no less dependent upon election to "catch" the elect than paedoBaptism is. We both rely upon God alone for full effect.
4. PaedoBaptism is according to Scripture, as far as age is concerned it is 'specified' in Gen 17.
5. Usually over 'time' ie experience of their personal witness among us.
100

News Item8/15/12 12:19 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dil Emma wrote:
Scared of the truth John?
Baptists dunk non elect all the time and thus they've been fooled by millions of religious reprobates.
1. No, are you?

2. There are Baptists and Baptists. Just as there are Presbyterians and Presbyterians. The Baptist fraternity I agree with are the Particular Baptists, and these do not baptise to order, but weigh up very carefully the evidence of grace in a professing Christian's life.

Now you can either say that grace does NOT evidence itself, in order to make a decision, or if it DOES evidence itself, the evidence is inconclusive. Either way you take away from God the glory due unto him for his miracle of grace, whereby he creates anew and gives a new heart to a rebel sinner and converts him.

As with all baptisms, some tares will slip through. But the Presbyterian way of baptising all children of believing (believing?) parents will ensure that many more tares will enter the church.

BTW, how do you ascertain that the parents really ARE believers?

99

News Item8/15/12 11:43 AM
Dil Emma  Find all comments by Dil Emma
John UK wrote:
Has the Presbyterian Church ever baptised a non elect person? Sure, millions of them over the years.
Scared of the truth John?

Baptists dunk non elect all the time and thus they've been fooled by millions of religious reprobates.

PaedoBaptists obey Scripture, obey God's command and babies cannot lie.

Like the tithe and the Sabbath you Baptists seem to have a real problem with the Old Testament laws. Is your problem one of disobedience?

98

News Item8/15/12 10:46 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dil Emma wrote:
Has the Baptist church ever baptised a non elect person?
Has the Presbyterian Church ever baptised a non elect person? Sure, millions of them over the years.
97

News Item8/15/12 10:28 AM
Dil Emma  Find all comments by Dil Emma
John UK wrote:
Baptism is related to "dying with Christ". And it is related to "rising with Christ". And it is related to "the new birth". And it is related to "repentance and faith". If you baptise anyone who has experienced none of these things as yet, you give them a false hope, because as yet, the Lord has not called them
Has the Baptist church ever baptised a non elect person?
96

News Item8/15/12 10:20 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dil Emma wrote:
John
How do you give babies false hope???

John
How do you give unregenerate false hope???

"For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."
The biblical "hope" is not the same as, "Well I hope it will be sunny tomorrow." It is a knowledge, a certainty. The "Christian hope" is not a case of, "Well I hope I get to heaven." Rather it is a sure and certain thing, for all who have repented of their sins and trusted in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Baptism is related to "dying with Christ". And it is related to "rising with Christ". And it is related to "the new birth". And it is related to "repentance and faith". If you baptise anyone who has experienced none of these things as yet, you give them a false hope, because as yet, the Lord has not called them.

Sure, by all means, let them attend church services, that they may hear the word of God, and see with their eyes the worship of the King, and be protected from the influence of the world. But to involve them without permission in religious sacraments is rather OTT IMHO.

95

News Item8/15/12 9:52 AM
Dil Emma  Find all comments by Dil Emma
John UK wrote:
At least we PB's believe in election, and try very hard never to baptise the unregenerate and give them a false hope.
John
How do you give babies false hope???

John
How do you give unregenerate false hope???

"For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it."

94

News Item8/15/12 4:53 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
good stewards wrote:
This also confirms Genesis 17:10-12 Circumcision-'NOW' baptism of babies. So you Baptists better be careful and try not to be antinomian on ANY part of the Law.
At least we PB's believe in election, and try very hard never to baptise the unregenerate and give them a false hope.

But then, you believe that God is a respector of persons who saves based on genealogy, just like the unregenerate Jews believed.

93

News Item8/14/12 5:36 PM
the Whole Book  Find all comments by the Whole Book
"1. The whole Bible is law and gospel, and the two are so vitally related to each other that an accurate knowledge of either cannot be obtained without the other.

2. The law reveals the character of God and the condition of man. These two kinds of knowledge are absolutely necessary for salvation. (See, for example, the first chapter in Calvin's Institutes of the Christian Religion.)

3. The law is essential to true biblical evangelism because by the law is the knowledge of sin. It was the law that was effective in Paul's conversion: "I would not have known sin except through the law" (Rom. 7:7).

4. The law is the only biblical rule and direction for obedience--that is, a sanctified life. In what does sanctified behavior consist? Doing the will of God. What is the will of God in respect to morality? The moral law summarized in the Ten Commandments.

5. The law is one of three truths of the Bible that stand or fall together: (1) the law of God, (2) the cross of Christ, (3) the righteous judgment of almighty God.
First, if there is no law there is no sin because sin is the transgression of the law (The Ten Commandments).

Second, if there is no cross there is no hope for poor sinners--no forgiveness of sin...." (E.Reisinger)

92

News Item8/14/12 5:11 PM
GoodServants  Find all comments by GoodServants
good stewards wrote:
Who is "Good Servants"???
Not us.

The law has passed away for those who a) know THEY can't keep it, b)know Christ did keep the whole law (even though he was accused of breaking it by the pharisees, that He paid the penalty of a common sinner (such as you and I)- death is the penalty for sin, and c)who then desires with all he's got to be like HIM. If he who was not a sinner, was condemned as a sinner, how much more the real sinner, by his repentance, is able to be made sinless by his death!

Thus grace abounds for the sinner, not the keeper of the law.

91

News Item8/14/12 12:19 PM
good stewards  Find all comments by good stewards
GetReal wrote:
The fulfilment of the law is judgement day Good Servants.
The law does not pass away because in the future lies judgement day
Who is "Good Servants"???

As Jesus Himself declares HE IS the fulfillment of the Law and the Prophets, in other words the Old Testament prophecy. That is why we can proclaim the entire Bible is about Jesus OT and NT.

As indeed Jesus stated;
Matt 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil"
* THUS we perceive that Christ declares the Old Testament to be extant today.
(Except for the small portion of ceremonial laws)

Further Jesus goes on to declare;
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
* THUS Christ confirms the Old Testament remains in force, and intact, - {including Sabbath and tithing} - By His very words of verification here declared!

btw This also confirms Genesis 17:10-12 Circumcision-'NOW' baptism of babies. So you Baptists better be careful and try not to be antinomian on ANY part of the Law.

90

News Item8/14/12 10:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
I agree with what you mean, bro, but how you wrote it doesn't tell the whole story. Permit me to explain.
If there were no fulfillment of the law until the last day then there would be no new covenant, mercy, grace, peace with God, redemption from the wrath of God, rest from the works of the law, no gospel.
Jesus incarnate was the embodiment of the first covenant and Jesus crucifed is the embodiment of the second. For this reason, when one is in the first man Adam they are still in the first covenant; dead is trespass and sin, abiding in the wrath of God.
Therefore, when Jesus said "I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil" He was speaking of fulfiling the first covenant of His own body, nailing it to the cross, taking the debt of it out of the way (Col 2:14, Heb 10:20) so He could establish the second (Heb 10:9).
Those who are not in the last man Adam (Christ crucified, the book of life), and He in them, abide in the first until the last day.
It is a good explanation, Lurker.

There is another law which we actually fulfil, the law of Christ.

89
There are a total of 108 user comments displayed | add new comment |Subscribe to these comments
Jump to Page : [1] 2 3 4 5 6 | last
Last PostTotal
Patheos: Calvinism = Wahhabism?
ladybug: "j4j, actually, i did not say it, god did...read this verse again, 'now..."
-2 hrs 111 
Pope Calls On Bishops To Revive Christian Faith
jim lincoln from nebraska: "sc, i really plan to get to your comment, right after i..."
-2 hrs 338 
FEC chair warns of chilling regulations, book ban on...
jim lincoln from nebraska: "as i was trying to say, some other more reputable or at..."
-3 hrs 


The Source of Our Salvation
Andrew Quigley
Getting On The Road!

Ruth - The Road to Redemption!
Sunday - PM
Airdrie Reformed Presbyterian
Play! | MP3 | RSS


Pastor Alfred J. Chompff
Vipers Seek For a Sign

Reformed Bible Church of S. CA
Sunday Service
Play! | MP3

E. A. Johnston
Underground Church In America

Ambassadors For Christ Intl-US
Special Meeting
Play! | MP3

Blog 7/24/14
Vile and Full of Sin Am I, Thou Art Full...

New York Gospel Mission
som­et­imes i am amazed at the way things work out for...

Sponsor:
Perfect Fulfillments Of Prophecies!

The Rise & Fall Of Islam, & the Papal Ant­ichr­ist, For­et­old In the Book Of Rev­el­at­ion!
ow.ly/zvwsg

Sermon: Underground Church In America
E. A. Johnston






                   
Never did a believer in Jesus die or drown in his voyage to heaven. ... Robert Traill

City: Austin, TX
Gospel of John
Cities | Local | Personal
MOBILE
iPhone + iPad New!
Church App New!
Android New!
Church App New!
Kindle + Nook New!
BlackBerry
Windows Mobile, Nokia
Chromecast TV New!
ROKU TV
Pebble Smartwatch New!
Kindle Reader


HELP
Knowledgebase
Broadcasters
Listeners
Q&A
Uploading Sermons
Uploading Videos
Webcasting
Tips & Tricks
YouTube Screencasts

FOLLOW
Weekly Newsletter
Staff Picks Feed
Site Notices New!
RSS | Twitter | Facebook
SERVICES | ALL
Local Church Finder | Info
MP3 Play & Download
Mobile Apps
Podcasting
Video Support
Live Webcasting
Transcription Service
HIFI Option
Business Cards
SOLO | MINI | Domains
Favorites
QR Codes
24x7 Radio Stream
INTEGRATION
Sermon Browser
HTML Codes
WordPress
Twitter
Facebook
Logos | e-Sword
SOAP API

BATCH
Transfer Agent
Protected Podcasts
Upload via Email
Auto-Upload Sermons
Auto-Blog Import
Picasa | FTP | Dropbox
ABOUT US
SermonAudio.com is the largest library of audio sermons from conservative churches and ministries worldwide. All broadcasters must adhere to the Articles of Faith.

Our Services | Testimonials
Broadcast With Us!
Support Us
Advertising | Local Ads
CONTACT
info@sermonaudio.com
Copyright © 2014 SermonAudio.com.