Assemblies of God Speaks Out on Chick-fil-A Controversy
George Wood heard Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel loud and clear when he said that “Chick-fil-A’s values are not Chicago values.â€
The General Superintendent of the General Counsel of the Assemblies of God now has a rapid fire series of questions for Emanuel and any other mayor who may be tempted to follow in his footsteps.
“Are you saying that the Catholics are also unwelcome in Chicago because they don’t have Chicago values? That evangelicals aren’t welcome? That Muslims aren’t welcome? That Orthodox Jewish people are not welcome?
“That other persons who have religious beliefs that marriage is between a man and a woman don’t have Chicago values and therefore they are excluded from your community? Do you intend to discriminate against persons of faith? Do you intend to marginalize them? Are you becoming, in your view, intolerant of persons of religious faith?...
lame, Christians are suppose to eschew those who preach false doctrine, and to a true evangelical church, correct doctrine is indispensable.
Gil Rugh said or, wrote: The Word of God is the standard by which all doctrine and practice is evaluated. When the Word of God is taught truthfully and consistently the Spirit of God will be maturing believers. When the Word of God is adulterated in any way, people are confused and growth is stifled. God has spoken clearly and by knowing what has been written, what is false or distorted can be identified and avoided before it becomes influential.
lame wrote: Biblicists read no fewer than 17 meanings into the story of Jesus and a Samaritan woman at Jacob's well, to take but one example.
Of course, when you have a dictatorship, rather like a totalitarian regime, there is only one interpretation, and you have to go with that one, whether you like it or not. That is no guarantee it is correct. Jehovah's Witnesses all over the world believe the same thing about every doctrine and text because they are brainwashed into thinking the Elite are infallible and cannot possibly be wrong.
One day, each and every pope will acknowledge they were in errror concerning the method and means of salvation, when they appear naked before God at the Great White Throne Judgment, just before they are hurled out of God's presence for ever, along with all their duped followers.
Remember this text:
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved..." Acts 16:31
lame wrote: Doctrinal Protestantism is dead. Biblicists read no fewer than 17 meanings into the story of Jesus and a Samaritan woman at Jacob's well, to take but one example.
lame I have no idea where you are coming from in your post, so let me say this!
The Word of God is forever settled in heaven, it is Truth, God will make good His Word
What then if some do not believe? (RCCs, Liberal Apostate Protestants, Hyper-Calvinists, Word of Faith Heretics, etc. and etc.)
Will their unbelief nullify the faithfulness of God?
In the day of the Great White Throne Judgment, the books will be opened, God will be vindicated as being who He said He was and keeping the Word He gave men in the Bible, and sinners who refused to believe Him and repent will perish in hell forever.
If anyone wants sound God given Doctrine, the Truth and therefore the faith God Himself authors, honors and rewards, they can have such faith by hearing the Word of God, NOT by pretending it doesn't mean what it says.
Actual Foe wrote: "To begin with, the evangelicals’ latent anti-Catholicism seems to have
Actual Foe Excuse me I tend to disagree with your premise (controversy over birth control etc.) BECAUSE the Word of God tells me quite clearly that the Fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, the beginning of wisdom
therefore if you are void of a real fear of the LORD, which is to hate evil, you cannot be Biblically intelligent, one cannot be Biblically wise and the consequences of those who chose not to fear the LORD are severe, just look at Proverbs 1 if you would dare to believe God over educated religious scholars.
John UK wrote: I don't know exactly what the cause is
"To begin with, the evangelicals’ latent anti-Catholicism seems to have got the better of them. Rome’s conundrums over birth control and the controversy over Humanae Vitae seemed during the 1960s to offer splendid opportunities to undermine an old foe: papal authority. Opposition to birth control—common to all Protestants for more than four centuries— was recast as an act of repression, equivalent to the Communist suppression of Eastern Europe. Evangelicals lost both their memory and their focus. When the Metropolitan Nikodim of the Russian Orthodox Church declared in 1969 that all forms of birth control were “undesirable because they are linked with sin and dull the conscience,†Christianity Today’s response was again short-sighted: “The Soviet Union has repeatedly opposed family planning efforts in the United Nations.†When the Catholic bishops issued a pastoral letter paying “tribute†to the “parents of large families,†the magazine responded with an editorial frown. The evangelicals did not yet realize that the enemy that they faced was an old one in new guise: the sexual anarchy of the Gnostics."
Michael Hranek wrote: Brother John, IMHO the diagnosis is that modern day churches, seminaries, pastors and those in the pews willfully ignornat of the Holiness of God, His sovereignty in every area of live NOT just church on Sunday morning, His immeasurable worth and right to rule every part of our lives have abandoned the Fear of the LORD, the absolute necessity that we must be born again of the Spirit of God, and loath the obedience, the faith, the love and service He is so immeasurable worthy of. And have become blind to the how being His bondslave and serving Him joyfully IN A VERY EXPERIENCIAL FAITH makes the living of ones life for Him an immeasurable privledge no matter how great the trials we might face and the victories we have in His grace.
Amen and Amen. There are multitudes of believers in this country who have not been encouraged by example into these sort of thoughts. And sloppy churches will produce sloppy children. May God's Spirit come and fill us with awe and transform our paltry service for him.
p.s. I was out on the street this am to stand with a local street preacher and another brother originally from Botswana. Deaf ears were very much in evidence, but we pray for harvest.
John UK wrote: Yes, that's how I see it bro. It matters not what particular denom you look at, it seems there has been a downslide in practise and doctrine. I don't know exactly what the cause is, but it is quite scary to see some solid preachers going away from their former beliefs. If it is due to spiritual attacks from the enemy, it shows we must needs be praying for our pastors and for one another, that we too do not slip-slide away.
Brother John, IMHO the diagnosis is that modern day churches, seminaries, pastors and those in the pews
willfully ignornat of the Holiness of God, His sovereignty in every area of live NOT just church on Sunday morning, His immeasurable worth and right to rule every part of our lives
have abandoned the Fear of the LORD, the absolute necessity that we must be born again of the Spirit of God, and loath the obedience, the faith, the love and service He is so immeasurable worthy of.
And have become blind to the how being His bondslave and serving Him joyfully IN A VERY EXPERIENCIAL FAITH makes the living of ones life for Him an immeasurable privledge no matter how great the trials we might face and the victories we have in His grace.
Michael Hranek wrote: Good Evening Bro John Yes, it seems those "old timey believers" are quite different than what we find in "modern churches" whether they be Baptist, Presbyterian or Pentecostal, that slide off into all sorts of apostasy whether it be the Purpose Driven/Seeker Sensitive and Emergent Movement, hyper-Calvinism, the spiritual whoredom of embracing of the RCC with her idols and heresies, or Pentecostals who become defiled when they join with the Charismatic Movement.
Yes, that's how I see it bro. It matters not what particular denom you look at, it seems there has been a downslide in practise and doctrine. I don't know exactly what the cause is, but it is quite scary to see some solid preachers going away from their former beliefs. If it is due to spiritual attacks from the enemy, it shows we must needs be praying for our pastors and for one another, that we too do not slip-slide away.
John UK wrote: Good evening Bro Michael I actually attended an Elim Pentecostal Church in Middle England for 12 months. I had my own house back in those days, and one Sunday night the Youth Group all came after the evening service. During that experience, I learnt that the entire group had been taught, and were trying to teach me, that salvation was by works in accordance with Matthew 24 ..... "I was sick and ye visited me" etc. I was amazed, and it marked the departure of me myself from their midst. I quite agree about the old timeys, but in this country at least, most pentecostals have embraced the charismatic movement doctrines and gone away from their roots, hardly recognisable now. Sad. Jim, I said "No need to respond". So what did you do?
Good Evening Bro John
Yes, it seems those "old timey believers" are quite different than what we find in "modern churches" whether they be Baptist, Presbyterian or Pentecostal, that slide off into all sorts of apostasy whether it be the Purpose Driven/Seeker Sensitive and Emergent Movement, hyper-Calvinism, the spiritual whoredom of embracing of the RCC with her idols and heresies, or Pentecostals who become defiled when they join with the Charismatic Movement.
I actually attended an Elim Pentecostal Church in Middle England for 12 months. I had my own house back in those days, and one Sunday night the Youth Group all came after the evening service. During that experience, I learnt that the entire group had been taught, and were trying to teach me, that salvation was by works in accordance with Matthew 24 ..... "I was sick and ye visited me" etc. I was amazed, and it marked the departure of me myself from their midst.
I quite agree about the old timeys, but in this country at least, most pentecostals have embraced the charismatic movement doctrines and gone away from their roots, hardly recognisable now. Sad.
Jim Lincoln Regarding the Assemblies of God, you ought to pay better attention to your own posts. Please do note "Charismatic" is NOT the same as "Pentecostal". Kind of like KJV Onlyists are NOT the same as those who choose to use the KJV because to them it is a trustworthy translation many have use for years.
Charismatics with their heretical word of faith, can I use the word garbage are not the same as what I would call old timey Pentecostals who very much believed: 'You must be born again', Repentance, Believers' Baptism, NOT infant sprinkling, reading the Bible personally, prayer, heartfelt worship, witnessing the Gospel, and holy living
Sure th Assemblies aren't perfect but they're NOT Word of Faith Movement
Except for the last line of your comment, John UK, amen. You'll find Mormons only use the --original-- 1611 KJV well plus the Book of Mormon, plus the Pearl of Great Wisdom, ... and there might be something else they refer to as well.
As one who has experienced several years in various charismatic churches, and gradually came to see the dangerous effects of their doctrine, through God's grace teaching me, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree, Jim.
I think it was in 1997 when, regarding the charismatic movement, the Lord said to me sternly, "Get out, stay out, and never return to it."
And that is just what I did!
One thing I noticed within the movement was that all the preachers were using modern versions. Just an aside, Jim. No need to respond.
Jim, he who is not against you is for you. John Y is right. The Assemblies of God adhere to the same basics of the faith that we all do. They are my brothers and sisters in Christ! And they are yours too, whether or not you choose to recognize them as such.
I'm course would be happy it Muslims and Buddhists come out against this attack on the Restaurant chain also. Politicians are by and large an amoral and cynical lot, and this should be pointed out, A Game of Chicken.
Yes, Mike, if you read some of the series on Charismatic Chaos, as John MacArthur said, "...I want you to know at the very outset, that I love my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, and I have no intent to convey anything other than love for them. I think in the movement there are many who are not genuinely saved, and I am equally concerned about their salvation. My purpose is not to debate them, pitting our theology against theirs, but to call them to the test of Scripture, to drop what Amos called the "plumb line," to see if they are straight with the Word of God...." excerpt from, Are experiences a valid source of truth?[
This discussion has developed into a fine example of why I seldom get involved as I once did. The main subject is quickly forgotten and everyone feels the pious need to defend God and protect the Bible from anyone who doesn't dot their "i" or cross their "t" the same way they do. Ridiculous.
As for me, I'm glad the Assemblies of God has taken this stand. I don't agree with them on some minor issues, but I'll stand with them on this. Every Bible-believing church in America ought to be extremely vocal on this matter of sodomy!
Comfortable now wrote: OPC Q&A: Question: Are there any major differences between Presbyterians and other non Roman Christians?
CN I am not familar with the "OPC", and honestly I was personally somewhat miffed that some Presbyterians come across as if in my words (quote) they are the only ones who believe in the Sovereign Power of God in Salvation, and sometimes put words that are not there into the mouths of non-Presbyterians.
As to parting company with Roman Catholics, IMHO at the heart of the issue is that the RCC has a twisted and therefore false blasphemous and heretical undertanding of Christ.
He, the Real Jesus Christ who is seated at the Father's right hand is NOT the RCC eucharist.
He, the Risen Son of God is not some wimpy helpless infant who needs his momma to to save people from an imaginary purgatory and tell Him what to do.
And Yeshua the Messiah, Jehovah God incarnate in human flessh, our Creator is NOT and is in NO way Allah, the very false god of a murderous theiving demon possessed pedophile that CCC 841 of the Catechism of the RCC signed by the late John Paul II blasphemously distorts Him to be.
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If anyone wants sound God given Doctrine, the Truth and therefore the faith God Himself authors, honors and rewards, they can have such faith by hearing the Word of God, NOT by pretending it doesn't mean what it says.
of your comment, John UK, amen. 
You'll find Mormons only use the --original-- 1611 KJV well plus the Book of Mormon, plus the Pearl of Great Wisdom, ... and there might be something else they refer to as well.
lisa from wales: "romans 12 vs 14 bless them that persecute you: bless and curse..."
