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MONDAY, JUL 23, 2012  |  67 comments  |  1 commentary
After Colorado Shooting, President Obama Criticized for Softness on Gun Control

Advocates for stricter gun control measures argued Sunday that President Barack Obama has not done enough to lead on the issue amid the recent shooting massacre in an Aurora, Colorado-theater.

"The president has spent the last three years trying to avoid the issue [of gun control] – or if he's facing it, I don't know anybody that's seen him face it," New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, an independent, said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

On Friday, the day of the shooting, White House press secretary Jay Carney said the president will not propose any new policies in light of the massacre. ...


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News Item7/29/12 4:16 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Execute an alleged sociopath?, e.g., Evil Incarnate: Sociopaths like Ted Bundy? If they are demon-possessed nothing drive out those ol' demons like a lethal cocktail, note, Texas is giving them a one-shot drug now.
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News Item7/29/12 3:41 PM
solutions  Find all comments by solutions
Kyle wrote:
No change
Kill a "sick" man?
Kill a "possessed" man?

Luke 8:29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.) 30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

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News Item7/29/12 3:28 PM
Kyle | Connecticut  Find all comments by Kyle
No change
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News Item7/29/12 3:20 PM
solutions  Find all comments by solutions
Kyle wrote:
I was not there, so I only know what I see on the news. If this guy is found guilty by a jury of his peers, and they convict him, this guy should be executed by Christmas
If he is psychologically unstable - What then?

Quote;
Referring to Holmes psychologist said...
"He may be a longtime psychopath who turned to violence to show the world he could make a lasting mark, she said. Or he could have suffered a psychotic breakdown as recently as this spring, triggering his decision to drop out of graduate school, start buying weapons and launch his attack amid paranoid delusions, she said.

But, she added, the medications he could have been on during the hearing likely masked his true nature." CNN Justice

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News Item7/29/12 2:49 PM
notadiychristian  Find all comments by notadiychristian
Texas Chainsaw Massacre is a nasty movie, so I am told.

IF I saw a guy buy a chainsaw at the DIY merchant and then saw a group of 'Christians' queuing to go see the said movie across the street, which should give me the most concern?

a) The guy has bought a chainsaw, but may well have innocent motives like 99.99 % of such purchasers

b) That those who claim to be regenerated take pleasure in sin and are about to view such depravity with pleasure.

IF the sound of a roaring chainsaw is then heard in the cinema, methinks it is the said christians who will be first to reach the exit door (even though the guy is simply a workman providentially cutting down a dead tree on the adjacent street and the sound travels!)

How many good excuses can you think of to go and see depravity at the local cinema, but you never expect depravity to effect you?

'God save the Queen' Sex Pistols. Banned from the airwaves by the BBC as depravity in mid 70's. Now part of the Olympic opening ceremony. How times are a changing as 'christians' have fallen in love with paganism and yesterdays cultural depravity is today's cool hip 'entertainment'!

God save America and the UK!!!

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News Item7/29/12 2:42 PM
solutions  Find all comments by solutions
John Yurich USA wrote:
I plan on amassing a firearms arsenal. By the time I am done I will have amassed over 20,000 firearms including military style firearms, rifles, pistols, shotguns and every other kind of firearm that has been manufactured.
Be careful what Satan and sin does with you after you have wasted your money on such a fruitless exercise with such weaponry.

Remember below, on another thread, (Catholic priest suggests Satan....) that you agree that Satan and sin do have an input into the life of the sinner. Both are powerful adversaries in the life of the mortal. I wouldn't want you to turn into a "Holmes"

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News Item7/29/12 2:38 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Kyle wrote:
I was not there, so I only know what I see on the news. If this guy is found guilty by a jury of his peers, and they convict him, this guy should be executed by Christmas. This was cold blooded murder, and there were LOTS of witnesses. Otherwise, we already live in anarchy.
Kent Hovind got 10 years for tax fraud. If this guy is back on the streets in less than that, something is wrong.
Execute Holmes by Christmas? That will never happen not with the looney liberals who are against the death penalty running around loose.
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News Item7/29/12 2:25 PM
Kyle | Connecticut  Find all comments by Kyle
Murder is already illegal, Solutions. The answer to this crime and others like it is for the State to do its job and execute the murderer.

I was not there, so I only know what I see on the news. If this guy is found guilty by a jury of his peers, and they convict him, this guy should be executed by Christmas. This was cold blooded murder, and there were LOTS of witnesses. Otherwise, we already live in anarchy.

Kent Hovind got 10 years for tax fraud. If this guy is back on the streets in less than that, something is wrong.

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News Item7/29/12 2:24 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
solutions wrote:
"It was his right to buy the gun" -
Why do you think he bought the guns in the first place, just two months prior to the murderous attack? What reason was in his mind?
The ease and facilitating availability of military style hardware at the local shopping mall made it all to easy for this killer and others, eg Columbine and Virginia Tech in Blacksburg etc etc etc....
It was Holmes right to purchase those firearms. Holmes passed the background check. Ergo, Holmes had every legal right to purchase those firearms. What Holmes did with those firearms, killing those individuals was not Holmes right. I plan on amassing a firearms arsenal. By the time I am done I will have amassed over 20,000 firearms including military style firearms, rifles, pistols, shotguns and every other kind of firearm that has been manufactured.
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News Item7/29/12 2:17 PM
Kyle | Connecticut  Find all comments by Kyle
Based on his actions, I imagine that he had it in his mind to kill people. What's your point? It doesn't matter why he bought the guns. He still had the right to buy them. It'll take more than an irrational hoplophobic emoticon to dissolve the distinction between the right to arm himself and the "right" to commit murder. I guess I'm not "civilized" and should be visited by the FBI, huh?

Because that guy in CO bought guns in order to commit murder, I should have my right to purchase guns in CT stripped or curtailed? Do you use that logic everywhere evenly? In April, Kiat Than Ly walked into a Smith's Supermarket in Salt Lake City and bought a knife with the express purpose of stabbing as many people has he could. Should I undergo a background check before buying a steak knife? Are Cutco salesmen accessories in crime? By the way, he only got two people before he was stopped by another customer who was carrying a gun.

http://fox13now.com/2012/04/26/two-stabbed-in-downtown-slc-parking-lot/

Columbine and Virginia Tech were strict gun free zones. Do you realize that simply driving by a school on public roads can land you in prison for 5 years if you haven't paid off the police...I mean, bought a permit? How much more strict do the gun laws need to be to make you happy?

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News Item7/29/12 1:50 PM
solutions  Find all comments by solutions
Kyle wrote:
It was his right to buy the gun. He was not exercising any right when he used it for murder. Why can't you make that distinction?
"It was his right to buy the gun" -
Why do you think he bought the guns in the first place, just two months prior to the murderous attack? What reason was in his mind?

The ease and facilitating availability of military style hardware at the local shopping mall made it all to easy for this killer and others, eg Columbine and Virginia Tech in Blacksburg etc etc etc....

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News Item7/28/12 3:25 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
solutions wrote:
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ALL legal and above board, isn't that nice and apparently, judging by the posts, supported by the local Christians.
Holmes over the last couple of months was able to arm himself with military style hardware and freely use "HIS RIGHT" to go and slaughter 12 people and maim 50 odd others.
And some Christians are fighting hard to maintain this quote "RIGHT"
Strange I just can't find this "RIGHT" in the Bible. Where in the Bible does God give us the RIGHT to kill unarmed people in public places? And come to think of it where does God advise us to maintain local arsenals in the shopping mall?
What happened to "In God we Trust," America?
Your right to wildly exaggerate and mischaracterize isn't in the Bible, but that doesn't stop you, does it? Where in the Bible does it say trust men in government, rather than God?
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News Item7/28/12 12:55 PM
Kyle | Connecticut  Find all comments by Kyle
Solutions,

It was his right to buy the gun. He was not exercising any right when he used it for murder. Why can't you make that distinction?

If you are accusing me of saying that he has the right to murder, then you are bearing false witness - not very Christian, eh?

Seems to me that this proves that the background check is not effective and needs to be eliminated.

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News Item7/28/12 12:36 PM
solutions  Find all comments by solutions
"A federal law enforcement officer said Holmes bought one of the four guns — the first of two Glock pistols — on May 22 at Gander Mountain in Aurora, Colo. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the probe into the shootings is ongoing.
Larry Whiteley, a Bass Pro Shops spokesman, said records show that its Denver store followed federal rules in selling a shotgun and a Glock pistol to Holmes.
"Background checks, as required by federal law, were properly conducted, and (Holmes) was approved," Whiteley said in a statement." (yahoo.com)


ALL legal and above board, isn't that nice and apparently, judging by the posts, supported by the local Christians.

Holmes over the last couple of months was able to arm himself with military style hardware and freely use "HIS RIGHT" to go and slaughter 12 people and maim 50 odd others.

And some Christians are fighting hard to maintain this quote "RIGHT"

Strange I just can't find this "RIGHT" in the Bible. Where in the Bible does God give us the RIGHT to kill unarmed people in public places? And come to think of it where does God advise us to maintain local arsenals in the shopping mall?

What happened to "In God we Trust," America?

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News Item7/27/12 10:01 PM
Kyle | Connecticut  Find all comments by Kyle
Solutions,

I guess you must be convinced of the incompetence of American citizens to find it necessary to forcibly disarm them. Which of us is the real fearmonger? I hate to sound like an abortionist here, but if you don't like guns, don't buy one.

Second, please stop confusing murder control with gun control. Defending the human right to bear arms has nothing to do with advocating or facilitating murder. That's a straw man argument so fallacious that would make the self-defense straw man itch. There's probably been a lot of drunk driving accidents in the past year. It's time for you to surrender your driver's license, I guess.

Third, all humans standing on planet earth are born with the same right to keep and bear arms, but presently only a few countries respect it at all. Only the US and Switzerland come immediately to mind. We're trying to keep it that way, because once any government restricts gun ownership, it gets drunk on the infringment power, and the hangover can be very, very costly.

Finally, as for your comments about "need", it's really none of your business why I "need" to own or carry a gun any more than it is incumbent upon me to justify my choice of ice cream flavor with you.

Comparison with Timothy McVeigh coming in 3, 2, 1...

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News Item7/27/12 8:24 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
YB wrote:
Brother,
You just destroyed your case with your pragmatic argument.
Murder and more specifically gun murder/rape/robbery rates are typically lower in countries with stricter gun control.
With Christian love,
Your brother
PS - Who on this thread suggested self-defense was illegal? Please be aware that strawman argumentation is a violation of the 9th commandment and unloving.
And then, brethren, there is Switzerland, where the connection made between strict limitation of firearm ownership and lower crime rates comes unraveled.

We must also be aware of violating the 9th Commandment for another reason: The miniscule fraction of firearms users who commit crimes with them do not establish a pattern by which the rest, who argue against more control, should have their intelligence or compassion challenged. That which brings one into disrepute wrongfully, is not only unloving, but is false witness.

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News Item7/27/12 6:02 PM
YB  Find all comments by YB
Lets all act like adults here wrote:
For those interested in the truth of the matter rather than their opinion being law, I would suggest looking into the murder/rape/robbery rates where legal weapon ownership is high verses where it is low.
Brother,

You just destroyed your case with your pragmatic argument.
Murder and more specifically gun murder/rape/robbery rates are typically lower in countries with stricter gun control.

With Christian love,

Your brother

PS - Who on this thread suggested self-defense was illegal? Please be aware that strawman argumentation is a violation of the 9th commandment and unloving.

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News Item7/27/12 5:02 PM
Lets all act like adults here | Virginia  Find all comments by Lets all act like adults here
When will it be realized that self defense is not illegal? Had anyone in the theater had a legally owned weapon the death count would have been 1 or 2.

With one of them being the lost misguided soul who started it.

For those interested in the truth of the matter rather than their opinion being law, I would suggest looking into the murder/rape/robbery rates where legal weapon ownership is high verses where it is low. Oh, and don't confuse ownership with legal ownership. Gang own lots of them, but use them for aggression, not protection of their families.

If the existence of weapons is the problem,instead of the reason of use, take them from the police and military as well. Authority is no conveyor of moral right.

People, speak with love to your brethren.

Please.

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News Item7/27/12 8:15 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
solutions wrote:
You forgot Dunblane if you require support for the 'legal' need to have the wherewithal to shoot people. Question is that, Are you supporting the people's need or the deadly criminal intent to murder, - or both?
I don't ever remember seeing or hearing of guns and their availability in our town and locality.
But I guess you, Kyle and others must be convinced of the incompetence of America's police and judiciary to find it necessary to arm yourself in preparation for shooting somebody?
Keep using the word "need" if you wish. Again, a right is not based on need. If you are happy in that kind of system, that's fine. But it isn't your place to say that is right for others.

I only pointed out a couple of your heinous crimes, in the midst of strict access, to show that access doesn't limit the criminal, only the law-abiding. You've been trying to show easy access as a reason for the crime.

The police are not incompetent, but they can hardly be everywhere at once. The judiciary comes into the play after the fact of the crime, or passing laws of prevention would work better than they do.

Are you a victim of propaganda? For you think firearms have one purpose, to shoot people.("intent to murder") This is nonsense.

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News Item7/27/12 7:10 AM
solutions  Find all comments by solutions
Mike wrote:
It is a right here, and it shall remain so. It is in the lands where it is believed angels have been found in the form of kings that ordnance belongs only to officialdom.
btw, you have your Hungerford and Cumbria shootings, too, don't you? And with such limited access. Tsk tsk.
You forgot Dunblane if you require support for the 'legal' need to have the wherewithal to shoot people. Question is that, Are you supporting the people's need or the deadly criminal intent to murder, - or both?

I don't ever remember seeing or hearing of guns and their availability in our town and locality.

But I guess you, Kyle and others must be convinced of the incompetence of America's police and judiciary to find it necessary to arm yourself in preparation for shooting somebody?

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