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SUNDAY, JUL 22, 2012  |  21 comments  |  2 commentaries
Colorado Shooting: Christians Point to the Reality of Evil

While police are still investigating the motive behind Friday's shooting at a theater in Aurora, Colo., some Christians are convinced of the real source: evil.

"What happened up in Aurora ... was the product of pure evil. It was the result of a depraved individual taking his free will to the extreme," said Jim Daly, president of Focus on the Family, in a statement Friday.

Dr. Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, also pointed to the moral evil that humans are capable of. ...


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Taking A Public Stand  Find all comments by Taking A Public Stand
In Another Thread On This Batman-Movie Murderer--James Holmes--I Gave The "Spiritual" (&-Or The True Biblical) Reason Why He Committed Such A TOTAL EVIL ACT:

Because He (James Holmes), Like EVERY Man, Woman & Child Born Into This World: Are Spiritual "Sons &-Or Children Of THE DEVIL" !

This TRUE BIBLICAL FACT Is Backed Up By THE HOLY BIBLE ITSELF:

"He (Or She) That Committeth Sin Is Of THE DEVIL; For THE DEVIL Sinneth From The Beginning. For This Purpose THE SON OF GOD (THE LORD JESUS CHRIST) Was Manifested, That HE Might DESTROY The Works Of THE DEVIL." 1 John 3:8

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF Affirmed & Confirmed This FACT Not Only To The Jews, But To ALL Mankind When HE Said:

"Ye (You [Fill In The Blank ______]; And, Or ALL Mankind) Are Of YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, And The Lusts Of YOUR FATHER Ye Will Do. HE Was A MURDERER From The Beginning, And Abode Not In THE TRUTH, Because There Is NO TRUTH In HIM. When HE Speaketh A LIE, HE Speaketh Of HIS OWN: For HE Is A LIAR, And THE FATHER Of IT.

And Because I (JESUS) Tell You THE TRUTH,
Ye Believe ME NOT." John 8:44-45

The REAL Reason WHY James Holmes MURDERED The 12 Was Because HE, Like YOU & I, Were Born Into This SINFUL World SPIRITUAL SONS / CHILDREN Of THE DEVIL !

*THIS IS WHY WE MUST ALL BE "BORN-AGAIN" !

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News Item7/23/12 10:12 PM
Jon1 | knightdale  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jon1
About Jesus.
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News Item7/23/12 10:11 PM
Jon1 | knightdale  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jon1
Has anyone wondered if any of those people ever had the chance to know
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News Item7/22/12 10:55 PM
Four  Find all comments by Four
Mike wrote:
Silofolous from USA . Tim challis is a blogger for the " new Calvinist movement" to my recollection, he has no theological background. Not the best source to go to for theoligical issues. I'm with Steve R. On this. Go to the canons o dort. It give a Better prospective of depravity.
Agreed. I assume Tim Challies is the "often" source from 2 and 2. Not very persuasive.
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News Item7/22/12 7:12 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Arch wrote:
Someone below mentioned
Arch
I will stand with my post and restate there is a problem with those who distort "Total Depravity" into everything human beings do is evil along with human beings under the preaching of the word of God and the conviction of the Holy Spirit are totally unable to respond to God in repentance and faith.

You might reconsider there is a difference in all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and therefore deserve death and hell (I remember a 7 year old girl who wept how she had accidently walked out of a store without paying for a candy bar (sin) until her mother took her back to make it right)

and people who commmit mass murder, idolatry, homosexuality and all the things that God calls an abomination.

If you cannot see the difference you've got a problem I don't want, and probably one 7 year olds who accidently walk out of a store with a candy bar they fully intended to pay for don't want or their parents don't want either.

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News Item7/22/12 7:06 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
greg777 wrote:
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the only people who should even have a gun are police and government personnel.
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Every dictator living at a time when firearms exist completely agrees with you.
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News Item7/22/12 5:40 PM
Mike | Florida  Find all comments by Mike
Save the guns! Ban the violent movies! We need to fight against Hollywood and the video games that are glorifying murdering people. U go Out into public, and what do u see?? U see 10 year olds in a trance, playing video games. If u look into a lot of these killings. Many of these killers, are big into violent movies, and video games. Let's go after them! To say " only law enforcement and government " should be aloud to have guns, is just typical utopian socialism. What about box cutters, that the terrorist had on the 911 plains? Should we ban them also? Nonsense !
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News Item7/22/12 2:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Greg777, have they banished kitchen knives and shotguns in England, yet? "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Now I admit there's quite a bit of truth in that. This fellow Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people and if memory serves didn't fire a shot, Oklahoma City Bombing. Banning all fertilizer sales would be somewhat difficult especially in this country, but I would think also in England?

But, yes, some of us do wonder if it takes a fully functional AK-47 to take down a rabbit or even a deer? But the American populace has somewhat spoken in that most gun restrictions have actually be loosen over the years.

I wonder if Colorado still has the death penalty? Soft-headed liberals and the Romish Church has been eliminating this good Biblical form of handling criminals throughout the world.

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News Item7/22/12 2:20 PM
greg777 | england  Find all comments by greg777
i can understand why no one wants to seriously talk about the gun laws in america because if they did they would properly get shot themselves.so it will go on happening again and again and every one will say how evil this and that person is.we all no what jesus had to say about weapons:if you live by the sword you will die by the sword.the only people who should even have a gun are police and government personnel.my prayers and sympathys goes out to all those who are affected by this senseless crime.i just don't think it will be the last time something like this will never happen again.lets hope i am wrong though.
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News Item7/22/12 12:51 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Well of course evil was behind that shooting rampage. But it was a miracle more were not killed. The Lord Jesus Christ was in the midst of that shooting rampage protecting most patrons in that theater. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Now and ever and unto the ages of ages.
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News Item7/22/12 12:40 PM
Wake up  Find all comments by Wake up
The Christian and the Theater

http://www.gracegems.org/ATS/theater.htm

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News Item7/22/12 11:41 AM
Arch  Find all comments by Arch
Michael Hranek wrote:
Totally unable to merit a single drop of the Blood Jesus shed for us, certainly but quite different from a mass murderer walking into a movie theater to shot people, or politicans voting to legalize abortion, even partial birth abortion, same sex marriage, etc.
Someone below mentioned the Canons of Dordt. The reason this excellent Biblical work came into existence is because of the Arminians, FreeWillism and works based theology like the Roman Catholics believe.

The big problem with those who reject Total Depravity is found in the Arminian (popish style) response, whereby they diminish sins power over the mortal and this allows them to think they are not quite so bad as people say. Hey Presto they arrive at DIY salvation, and faith becomes human ability (works).

As Paul states sin is a dominant - reigning power over the reprobate.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore "REIGN" in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
14 For sin shall not have "DOMINION" over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Don't underestimate sin.

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News Item7/22/12 11:21 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
one drop, every molecule wrote:
Tim Challies writes, "We can put one drop of deadly poison in that glass and it renders that entire glass poisonous so that if you were to drink it, you would quickly drop dead. That one drop extended to every part of the glass even though the entire vessel is not filled with poison. This represents humans after the Fall. While they are not wholly corrupt, the corruption they do have extends to every part. And finally consider a third glass which is filled entirely with poison. From top to bottom there is nothing but deadly poison. This represents Satan, who the Bible portrays as being absolutely corrupt so there is no good left whatsoever, but this does not represent humans here on earth. Humans are not as depraved as they could possibly be."
one drop, every molecule
Thanks, I like this illustration, especially when it seems some are so into total depravity beyond what the Bible says to make everything lost people do to be totally evil.

Totally unable to merit a single drop of the Blood Jesus shed for us, certainly but quite different from a mass murderer walking into a movie theater to shot people, or politicans voting to legalize abortion, even partial birth abortion, same sex marriage, etc.

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News Item7/22/12 10:40 AM
easy when you know how  Find all comments by easy when you know how
2 and 2 wrote:
how can a Calvinist describe himself, and everyone else, as 'Totally Depraved' while labeling Mr. Holms as merely 'depraved'
You have to be a true Biblical Christian to understand Calvinism properly.

"Total Depravity
Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly believe the gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it is in bondage to his evil nature, therefore, he will not - indeed he cannot - choose good over evil in the spiritual realm. Consequently, it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to Christ - it takes regeneration by which the Spirit makes the sinner alive and gives him a new nature. Faith is not something man contributes to salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of salvation - it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to God." (the-highway.com)

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News Item7/22/12 10:34 AM
Mike | Florida  Find all comments by Mike
Silofolous from USA . Tim challis is a blogger for the " new Calvinist movement" to my recollection, he has no theological background. Not the best source to go to for theoligical issues. I'm with Steve R. On this. Go to the canons o dort. It give a Better prospective of depravity.
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News Item7/22/12 10:20 AM
definitions matter  Find all comments by definitions matter
"What happened up in Aurora ... was the product of pure evil. It was the result of a [totally] depraved individual taking his free will to the extreme," said Jim Daly, president of Focus on the Family, in a statement Friday."

If all humans are totally depraved, then this would add no information to Daly's comment. To only state that Holmes is 'depraved,' tremendously understates the worst massacre in U.S. history.

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News Item7/22/12 9:43 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Please Review the Canons of Dort before spreading more confusion on the concept of Total Depravity.

1) The quote in the article wasnt refering to this doctrine, rather the wickedness of Holmes

2) In short Total Depravity means a man cant come to a saving knowledge of Christ on his own(He is spiritually dead)

3) The concept allows for sinful man to act lawfully without saving grace

http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/canons_of_dordt.html

Article 3: Total Inability

Therefore, all people are conceived in sin and are born children of wrath, unfit for any saving good,.....

Article 4: The Inadequacy of the Light of Nature

There is, to be sure, a certain light of nature remaining in man after the fall, by virtue of which he retains some notions about God, natural things, and the difference between what is moral and immoral, and demonstrates a certain eagerness for virtue and for good outward behavior. But this light of nature is far from enabling man to come to a saving knowledge of God and conversion to him--so far, in fact, that man does not use it rightly even in matters of nature and society.

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News Item7/22/12 8:43 AM
Silofolous | USA  Find all comments by Silofolous
2 and 2 wrote:
""What happened up in Aurora ... was the product of pure evil. It was the result of a depraved individual taking his free will to the extreme," said Jim Daly, president of Focus on the Family, in a statement Friday."
In Calvinism, Total Depravity is often defined that every cell in one's body is tainted with sin. But this is not to imply that a sinner could be Utterly Depraved -- or is 'pure evil.'
Therefore, how can a Calvinist describe himself, and everyone else, as 'Totally Depraved' while labeling Mr. Holms as merely 'depraved' -- making him, at least on paper, seemingly more holy than 99.9999% us?
Something just doesn't add up.
I've never heard this cell definition. I also would like to know what sources you use.

The way I've been taught the concept of total depravity is that sin has tainted every part of the individual. What this means is that I cannot trust any part of me to make a decision that is not influenced by sin. My intellect, my emotions, my sense of justice, love, and peace, all of it is rendered untrustworthy. Now the level to which these things have been tainted varies from time to time and from person to person, but they have all been tainted to some degree.

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News Item7/22/12 7:45 AM
one drop, every molecule  Find all comments by one drop, every molecule
Tim Challies writes, "We can put one drop of deadly poison in that glass and it renders that entire glass poisonous so that if you were to drink it, you would quickly drop dead. That one drop extended to every part of the glass even though the entire vessel is not filled with poison. This represents humans after the Fall. While they are not wholly corrupt, the corruption they do have extends to every part. And finally consider a third glass which is filled entirely with poison. From top to bottom there is nothing but deadly poison. This represents Satan, who the Bible portrays as being absolutely corrupt so there is no good left whatsoever, but this does not represent humans here on earth. Humans are not as depraved as they could possibly be."
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News Item7/22/12 12:47 AM
Four  Find all comments by Four
2 and 2 wrote:
In Calvinism, Total Depravity is often defined that every cell in one's body is tainted with sin.
Please provide your multiple sources for this statement.
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