Religious leaders call for prayer and tighter gun control after Colorado shooting
President Obama and his likely GOP challenger Mitt Romney called for prayers and reflection after a deadly shooting at a Colorado movie theater, while liberal religious leaders called for stricter gun control laws.
President Obama cut short his campaign trip in Florida, instead delivering a brief address in Fort Myers. “There are going to be other days for politics,” Obama said. “This, I think, is a day for prayer and reflection.”
Obama touched on the fragility of life, his concerns as the father of two young daughters, and urged Americans to “spend a little time thinking about the incredible blessings that God has given us.”...
whatever is being pushed politically, you can bet there is a UN treaty waiting in the background.
in this case it is ATT.
a UN treaty that will supersede US law.
when Copenhagen (which failed, for the most part) was occuring, all the articles were about carbon credits, because on the table was an international treaty that would require all countries (individuals) to pay homage taxes to the IMF to "save the world" from carbon. Third world countries saw that they were going to be stuck with it too, and pulled out their support. China (and its one child, forced abortion policy) was upheld as the standard, to reemphasize the eugenics nature of the new world.
go look it up and study it, all you naysayers.
Christians are played like puppets. Look at the agendas and treaties and you will see why these "debates" are being played on MSM.
The accused received a grant from NIH for Neuroscience, maybe how he paid for this. But many witnesses have claimed seing others invovled. And what about his associations and what medications was he on? (past massacres often come with psychotropic drugs)
Instead of being swayed by rhetoric, if we believe we are a free citizenry responsible, then questioning should happen. Otherwise, comply and go with the wind.
I live in New England. I see the "I know better than you, and if you don't agree the government should make you agree" attitude all the time. I recognize it like a song that i've heard 100 times. I am quite fluent in the language from immersion.
My views didn't meet with your view of ideal. Rather than slough it off or (if you cared enough to comment) use an objective standard to show me in error, you suggested that I be visited by FBI.
Gun control, for which the Evangelical leaders are pushing, is about the best example of this attitude that I can find. Nobody is hurt by someone being armed, but it is illegal, because someone else doesn't like it. The only crime is acting in violation of someone else's opinion. Why is that bad? Well, they know better than you, silly rabbit.
Josh Stone wrote: Did this article actually cause arguments about guns amongst brethren?
It probably started at least as many arguments among secular liberals, who tend to link being evil with being less enlightened or less "smart". James Holmes, like the Uni-bomber of the early 1990s, is not some disaffected uneducated hick, he is (we're told) VERY "smart".
All rights, including gun rights, will continue to be threatened as long as our culture continues to be less and less Godly/mature/truly-enlightened.
Unintended I can assure you Mr. Stone. Not so much the article as the act itself. I guess I came off as a liberal elitist. I certainly didn't intend on that...
Kyle wrote: Oh yeah. Exercising my human rights makes me a threat. Wow...thank you for the shining example of liberal arrogance. Thank you for proving my accusation correct. Everyone who stands for gun rights is not Timothy McVeigh, Barry. Now you think that exercising both my first and second amendment rights warrants police action. While we're at it, what other constitutionally guaranteed rights do you think I should not enjoy? The Mayor of San Francisco thinks I have no right to the fourth amendment, either. Am I now required to quarter soldiers at the President's pleasure, too? Perhaps I should be coerced to confess to a crime while in court? "...more...rocks..."
Kyle, of course I do not want the FBI to come to your house. I guess once again that sounded a lot funnier in my head. Of course you have the right to own guns and you have the right to speak freely. I actually served 6 years in the U.S. Army defending our rights guaranteed under the constitution. I'm sure you are not Timothy McVeigh. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, didn't mean to do that, truly I didn't.
However, whether you like it or not there are plenty of people across America asking a lot of questions. It is the usual knee-jerk reaction to these sorts of things.
solutions wrote: --- This is not an emotional response it is pure pragmatism since I live in a Country with NO gun shops. Thus we don't have a regular annual massacre. As for "states with strictest gun laws" - Remove all the shops and all the guns you really don't need them as other countries prove. ---
Your underlying assumption is faulty, for it says that needs determine rights. (Thus it is the state that determines needs, a pitiful, wrong-headed shame)
I'm happy for you that you have no gun shops. So I'm confident your murders are much more likely to be committed with knives than with firearms. Especially after reading that the World Health Organization says of the 13000-15000 young people killed in Europe each year, 40% is by knife. Perhaps a ban on meat would be in order? Then you wouldn't need knives.
Oh yeah. Exercising my human rights makes me a threat. Wow...thank you for the shining example of liberal arrogance. Thank you for proving my accusation correct. Everyone who stands for gun rights is not Timothy McVeigh, Barry.
Now you think that exercising both my first and second amendment rights warrants police action. While we're at it, what other constitutionally guaranteed rights do you think I should not enjoy? The Mayor of San Francisco thinks I have no right to the fourth amendment, either. Am I now required to quarter soldiers at the President's pleasure, too?
Perhaps I should be coerced to confess to a crime while in court?
solutions wrote: "This is not an emotional response it is pure pragmatism since I live in a Country with NO gun shops. Thus we don't have a regular annual massacre."
Do you live in a country that does not have crime as well? Japan took away the gun shops and crimes committed with edged weaponry actually exceeded that previously committed with firearms. Great solution (no pun intended) there. Switzerland, where you can carry your firearm onto public transportation and just about anywhere (Oh, yes! And they do have gun shops.) has had one of the lowest crime rates of any country for many years. Emotional or not, it doesn't add up. Suicide bombers rarely use guns and you can get the equipment to make a vest legally and easily. Bottom line is there is no way to completely eliminate human stupidity, especially when it comes to their treatment of fellow humans, so don't take away our ability to defend ourselves and others in the name of creating a more peaceful society. As was stated at the beginning of this mess: Prayer is called for. Much prayer is called for. Only God can change this. Don't believe me? Ask Cain. He didn't have a gun, nor did he need one to do what he did.
Kyle wrote: Barry, It's none of you're businesses why I want a 100 round clip. What an elitist arrogant statement! The forefathers never foresaw ANY gun control. Common sense gun control (i.e. None) died in 1968.
2012: In April this year a lone gunman killed seven people and injured three 2011: On August 7th 2011 seven people were shot dead in Copley Township 2009: The Geneva massacre occurred on the 10th of March 2009 in Geneva and Samson, in Alabama. 11 people, including the gunman 2007: The Westroads Mall shooting - as it became known - started on the morning of December 5, 2007. Nineteen-year-old Robert A. Hawkins killed himself after shooting nine other people 2005: Dubbed the Red Lake Massacre this incident occurred on the morning of March 21st when 16-year-old Jeffrey Weise killed his grandfather and his grandfather's girlfriend before going on to kill nine people during a school spree killing. 2004: On December 8, Nathan Gale shot Pantera guitarist Darrell ‘Dimebag’ Abbott three times in the head as he performed on stage. 2002: In October 2002, John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo killed 10 people in what would later be dubbed the Beltway sniper attacks 1999: On April 20 1999, two senior students at Columbine High School, Colorado, went on a killing spree which left 12 students and one teacher dead 1991: On October 16 George Hennard, an unemployed sea merchant, drove his truck through Luby’s cafeteria in Texas before shooting 23 customers and staff to death. 1990...
Guns don't kill people, the R- Rated Movies, that Hollywood is spewing out does. For centuries, law abiding, God Honering, citizens have enjoyed shooting firearms. When u ingest movies with violence and a schizophrenic mind. U have disaster. Why punish the law abiding citizens? If they had the right to bare and conceal. U would not have as many shootings. if people want to go after somebody .. Go after Hollywood, that is creating this filth, violence, and sex.! And people are glorifying it!! We just had a incident in my town, where two armed men, went into a casino. Masked. A man. Concealed. Pulled out his 308. And the criminals, went running, out the door. Wounded, and captured.
Mike wrote: My 22 has yet to leap up and go shoot someone. Your argument is emotion based, not thought based nor fact based, which is why you overreact. Here's a question for your consideration- why are the states with the strictest gun control laws, such as NY, among the states with the highest crime rates?
"James Holmes, 24, the former neuroscience student believed to be the lone gunman in Friday’s shootings in Aurora, armed himself with an assault rifle, a shotgun and a handgun to allegedly kill 12 and wound 59 others, many critically. All were weapons that would probably be legal for him to possess."
If there wasn't gun shops spread all over America's shopping centres, then Holmes would not have so readily been able to kill. Fact. Twelve people would still be alive. Fact. Even Columbine just up the road would have likely never happened.
This is not an emotional response it is pure pragmatism since I live in a Country with NO gun shops. Thus we don't have a regular annual massacre.
As for "states with strictest gun laws" - Remove all the shops and all the guns you really don't need them as other countries prove. Then all pathalogical killers born in the US will be severely limited in their activities.
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