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WEDNESDAY, JUL 11, 2012  |  31 comments  |  1 commentary
Mandatory Vaccination Battle Heats Up in California

When Dr. Richard Pan’s bill, AB 2019, was debated in a public hearing before California’s Senate Committee on Health, Dawn Richardson, Director of Advocacy for the National Vaccination Information Center (NVIC), showed up to explain why she and her organization opposed the bill. If the bill is enacted into law, Richardson says, it will in effect forced mandatory vaccinations onto children even when their parents have decided it’s in their best interest to deny them. Under current law, parents may file a “personal belief exemption” which allows their children to attend public school without vaccinations. But under Pan’s bill, a doctor must sign off on the parents’ decision first, and most of them won’t.

The idea is that the government has a vested interest in making sure that the parents are making the right decision, have full and complete information before making that decision, and consequently ...


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News Item5/30/14 12:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike wrote:
I'm not opposed to vaccs per se. I'm opposed to the mandatory aspect, and the precedent it sets. If the state can mandate one vacc, why not another for 11 year old girls who aren't in sexual sin?
It looks like you are making standard apology for the state, Jim? Banning from public places is extremist to say the least. And it makes no sense anyway. Why the fear among the vaccinated children or their parents if non-vaccinated children are in school or public places? After all, isn't the point of the shot to protect the shootee? Your argument is built on sand.
Oh, I would say it's as important to protect the shooter, Mike. We don't live on an island, and speaking of islands, you had better get your measles shot if you're going to the Phillipines -- or visit the Amish in Ohio. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/05/29/u-s-measles-outbreak-sets-record-for-post-elimination-era/
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News Item4/8/14 12:46 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
the 1 in 88 with autism was 2001, so with 30% increase, there's the estimate of 1 out of 66.... but of course, this is actually an old statistic just currently announced and we are far past that. an epidemic is at hand. and people that will have low functioning with myriads of hormonal, autoimmune, toxicity disfunction, of which modern medicine has little to no answers. thankfully people are finding help outside of the "if you can't see it, give them a psychotropic drug" syndrome.
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News Item4/7/14 2:41 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Now, the herpes vaccination, may be beneficial for those that sexually sin, but measles, whooping cough, and a few other diseases have nothing to do with immorality. When little "Christian" germ carriers, one might wonder how "Christian" their parents might be, turn their kids --oh and also themselves if they don't have booster shots-- then the state should bar them from public places. Schools are where kids are kept in close proximity to each other for hours per day.
So, mandatory vaccinations for children who attend public school is something I would support,
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I'm not opposed to vaccs per se. I'm opposed to the mandatory aspect, and the precedent it sets. If the state can mandate one vacc, why not another for 11 year old girls who aren't in sexual sin?

It looks like you are making standard apology for the state, Jim? Banning from public places is extremist to say the least. And it makes no sense anyway. Why the fear among the vaccinated children or their parents if non-vaccinated children are in school or public places? After all, isn't the point of the shot to protect the shootee? Your argument is built on sand.

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News Item4/7/14 2:27 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why, Mike of N.Y., I was looking for a spot to place the USA Today story, and this popped up. It's apparently was a good place for that. Anyway, better late than never.

Now, the herpes vaccination, may be beneficial for those that sexually sin, but measles, whooping cough, and a few other diseases have nothing to do with immorality. When little "Christian" germ carriers, one might wonder how "Christian" their parents might be, turn their kids --oh and also themselves if they don't have booster shots-- then the state should bar them from public places. Schools are where kids are kept in close proximity to each other for hours per day.

So, mandatory vaccinations for children who attend public school is something I would support. Now for home schoolers, I might give that some thought.

As far as Pertussis is concerned it does show that people should get booster shots for it. This is true of pneumonia and if you step on nail etc., tetanus as well. It appears that whooping cough is a complex disease, and that a lot more study should be done.

You will also note the CDC thinks children should get the pertussis vaccination, Pertussis Frequently Asked Questions.

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News Item4/7/14 1:04 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
this is easily solvable. let the ones who require it be responsible for the results.... instead of creating a system in which tax payer money is sent to the families of the damaged. so let's say the receiver is now in a state of drooling or cannot walk, let the one who mandated it now care for the person for life.
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News Item4/7/14 12:16 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Mike wrote:
Well, Jim, I hope you are opposed to some vaccinations? Think all young girls should be forced to be injected with the HPV vacc?
PS why did it take you almost 2 years to respond?
Maybe he never clears his browser cache, I am not against vaccinations but surely anybody would be against taking a parent's choice in the matter away. I wonder if that bill passed?

Looks like it passed with additional requirements to opt out, but did not completely take it away, but what about Obamacare? More than likely they are forcing vaccines.

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News Item4/7/14 11:51 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, Mike of NY, I hope you aren't against all vaccinations?
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Well, Jim, I hope you are opposed to some vaccinations? Think all young girls should be forced to be injected with the HPV vacc?

PS why did it take you almost 2 years to respond?

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News Item4/7/14 10:27 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Jim, I believe the issue we have here is that you believe in the herd immunity story without knowing what the herd immunity story is!

but if you do some looking around, you will find that the herd immunity had to do with naturally acquired immunity. nature does not require booster shots.

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so if you are basing your belief system on such an idea, I would suggest looking into what herd immunity in cows was really about.

now why have so many vaccinated gotten things such as whooping cough? well, here's some theories, I'm sure there are others... 1- the shot didn't work, 2- the shot had a temporary effect, 3 - the strain of the germ mutated and therefore the shot is the wrong strain 4 - large exposure to heavy metals and foreign proteins directly into the blood has caused lower functioning immunity.... or a autoimmune reponse causing the patient to become more susceptible to disease 5 -anyone who studies history sees increase in disease during times of poverty and malnutrition.

Pertussis Infection in Vaccinated Children, Isreal

Hmm, how did that happen?

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News Item4/7/14 1:01 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, Mike of NY, I hope you aren't against all vaccinations? Some people unwisely are Interesting article. Anti-vaccine movement is giving diseases a 2nd life.
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News Item7/17/12 9:03 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
I'm going to step out here and assume there is someone who wants to and can think out there in internetland.

what is a virus?

it is not a living organism on its own. it does not have its own cell.

it is often simply DNA (genetic information).

it can insert itself into DNA of animal or human cell.

sick monkeys have lots of infections, well that's the point.

sometimes monkeys are sick because people give them germs, because we call that science.

the monkey has to get sick so a sample of his kidney, etc can be used to replicate the virus in his cell.

problem is that his cell has other viruses in it too, cuz he's sick.

and a monkey.

SV-40 effects discovered in polio shot and rhesus monkye cells in 1959 by Dr. Eddy, when they were injected into hamsters.

go look it up. gives great irony to this story.

now, I'm not sure what viruses are in those aborted fetal cells -- I've got to imagine they are there too, since viruses are common to humans, and aborted fetuses are humans.

so once we all can name which actually is the human and which is the monkey, then we are getting somewhere.

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News Item7/17/12 2:54 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
One would hope a daughter isn't sexually active until she is married, but perhaps the only way to guarantee that is to have them wear chastity belts?
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But, Mike, thanks for asking the question, I wouldn't have done a little Internet looking, if you hadn't asked the question.
Chastity belts? Is that how you protect the girls in Nebraska?

From the website:

"Alta Charo, professor of law and bioethics at the University of Wisconsin, Madison: "Given that the moral objections to requiring HPV vaccination are largely emotional, this source of resistance to mandates is difficult to justify. Since, without exception, the proposed laws permit parents to refuse to have their daughters vaccinated, the only valid objection is that parents must actively manifest such refusal.

Ah, another professor expert out of liberal U of Wis-Madison complaining about emotionalism, when it the purveyors of fear-based emotionalism want mandatory vaccinations for all the girls. The powers mandate everything out of their own feelings of not letting the "active" ones get singled out. And this lady lies, for if the state say the vac nust be given for school to be entered, the parents in fact cannot opt out. That is the issue.

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News Item7/17/12 2:14 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
One would hope a daughter isn't sexually active until she is married, but perhaps the only way to guarantee that is to have them wear chastity belts?
Arthur Caplan, bioethicist at the University of Pennsylvania wrote:
Yes. The data show that the vaccine is safe and effective. Mandates ensure money is there to pay for access. And mandates still permit people to opt out if they don't want their child vaccinated, as we have for all other 'mandates' — a fact somehow lost in the ignorant comments from GOP candidates about HPV vaccines [last night].
from, Should the HPV Vaccine Be Mandatory? Health Experts Weigh in

Some of you now can sympathize with Taliban, UN polio vaccine doctor injured in Karachi attack.

But, Mike, thanks for asking the question, I wouldn't have done a little Internet looking, if you hadn't asked the question.

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News Item7/14/12 10:56 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Blessings and prayers to the families of autistic children.

May we be known for the love of the brethren.

Love moves us to tell the truth.

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News Item7/13/12 3:35 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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I don't have to approve or disapprove anything the state does, the only time one is to disobey the state if they stop you worshiping Christ or try to stop you spreading the Gospel.
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So Jim, some States are considering making the HPV vaccine mandatory for 11-12 year old girls, before they be allowed to attend school. Would you be a genuine Christ worshipper if you allowed the State to administer this vaccine to your daughter, for no other reason than they feel she's going to be sexually active and subject to HPV?
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News Item7/13/12 2:39 PM
Barry from KY | Northern KY  Find all comments by Barry from KY
Jim, yes in fact it was the flu shot. He was 18 months old. Beautiful shinning red head, already using words and knew most of his main colors. They gave him two flu shots 1 month a part. Within the next 30 days he wound up with a vacant stare and never made eye contact. He had lost his language as well. My son has been a bigger blessing than I can explain with common words and I love him dearly. God has truly blessed my wife and I beyond measure. However, while there is so much MONEY involved with the health care in this country, I'll make up my own mind what my son needs and doesn't need.

Rowler, thank you for the kind words. They mean more than you could know...

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News Item7/13/12 2:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
jpw, the best thing for sick children is to stay home from school, Parents or children should stay away from church whichever of them are sick.

Don't want to have your children vaccinated? fine do as in the past when there were no vaccinations, quarantine them. Foolish to say vaccines don't work, Polio and smallpox prove that they do, in fact people don't have to have smallpox vaccines apparently because it is apparently eradicated in the world. Have all vaccines been safe, no, as an the article, Vaccine Cleared Again as Autism Culprit an early whooping cough vaccine -- wasn't.

I don't have to approve or disapprove anything the state does, the only time one is to disobey the state if they stop you worshiping Christ or try to stop you spreading the Gospel.

See at least the summary for, Guidelines for Using Our Liberties

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News Item7/13/12 9:54 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
BOB, Jim is not going to have a biblical or a scientific reference.

"germ-free children" is a modern concoction, not based in any kind of moral or spiritual reality.

Scientifically, the human body has billions of beneficial organisms living in the digestive tract, for instance.

By irradicating all germs, you would be irradicating life itself. It is kind of the pre-genetic darwin era of "life is just chemical processes" kind of thing--- such is the mind of reductionism.

The best way to have a germ free world is to live life behind a sanitized tv screen.

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News Item7/13/12 6:56 AM
BOB | USA  Find all comments by BOB
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, first of all, I'm not an official of Indian Hills Community Church or an official voice for IHCC....Where in the Bible does it say you can fly in an airplane? drive a car? even in antiquated Bibles? Certainly let germ-free children in Church....
Jim...#1)You quote IHCC quite often so I just thought you might have a sermon link to explain your comments..."Apparently people's dog's get better attention in getting their shots, then some really strange parents won't give their children."...not attacking, just asking.
#2)"....antiquated Bibles?" Not sure where that came from but "antiquated" or not I've heard some parents scriptural references for not vaccinating. I was just looking for some references that says they are wrong?
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News Item7/12/12 6:11 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
jpw wrote:
I'm still wondering how injecting aborted fetal cell lines, mercury, formaldehyde, and aluminum directly into my blood is anything other than an abomination. (then there's the cells of organs of sick and infected monkeys and dogs -- this is modern man being healthy)
..and if you don't give all that trash to your children some may consider you to be guilty of child abuse. What a mad world.
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News Item7/12/12 5:28 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
I'm still wondering how injecting aborted fetal cell lines, mercury, formaldehyde, and aluminum directly into my blood is anything other than an abomination. (then there's the cells of organs of sick and infected monkeys and dogs -- this is modern man being healthy)
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