The death of Muammar Gaddafi continues to reverberate across Africa â€“ this time in the form of desert locusts.
The Food and Agricultural Organisation of the United Nations warned on Tuesday that croplands in Niger and Mali were at imminent risk from locust swarms moving south from Libya and Algeria. The revolution in Libya played a major role in allowing the pests to breed, it said.
Desert locusts have the capacity to destroy vast areas of croplands. During a plague, a swarm can stretch for several hundred square kilometres comprising billions of locusts, each capable of eating its own weight in food a day....
Phoebe wrote: No. I will not answer your question West Coaster. The rapture is of no interest to me. What is the rapture to you who may die tomorrow?
No one is guaranteed one more breath.
I don't blame you for not reading anything I wrote. But let me try to be clear one more time.
I didn't mention the rapture in context of my belief in the placement of the rapture. A Rapture will happen it's in the Bible.
My question is "how can anyone be saved without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit" Answer: they can't. Indwelling of the Holy Spirit is part of Salvation. Therefore the Holy Spirit has to be present during the tribulation still saving those who are saved then. Classic Dispensationalism is false.
Luke 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The rapture is of no interest to me. What is the rapture to you who may die tomorrow? Christian's have suffered and died since Christ said 'follow me'. Christian's today are suffering and dieing for their faith BEFORE the rapture. Christian's will suffer and die until Christ puts an end to suffering and death. Christian's today who are not suffering believe they are going to be raptured.
west coast reader wrote: Dopey, I feel cheated by your continual slipping around the issue...you are playing games.
You have caught me west coast reader my dear friend. I do like to play games. I like to play the games in two worlds.
A couple of decades ago as a man, I was into chess. I liked the thrill of one on one combat. I never was that good at it, but I was beginning to make progress.
I had gone from a 1400 + rating to a 1600 + rating very fast and was about to go to a 1700 or 1800 + rating as I knew I was playing at that strength when a very interesting chess tournament occurred.
By draw I was matched against what looked to be a ten or eleven year old girl. When the game was over, she stood up and to rub it in further said something to the effect of, "thanks for the game mister" looked me straight in the face, gave me a big smile, then walked away. It's amazing what those ten or elven year old girls can do sometimes.
Maybe someday I will tell you about some of my games in the other world.
A possible mistake Lurker, though I am not criticizing you for it, for I often make a definite mistake myself by "naturally" assuming anything . People, including myself, can make big mistakes by "naturally" assuming anything. That same truth extends into the theme of being "taught" by men.
Some people "naturally" assume that the men they are being taught by know what they are talking about when in fact the teachers are totally "blind" and don't know what they are talking about.
The following example shows a classic example, as Saul of Tarus, later Paul the Apostle, "naturally" assumed his teachers were experts on the subject but were in fact as "blind" as he was at the time.
Acts 22:3-4 KJV
I am verily a man [which am] a Jew, born in Tarsus, [a city] in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, [and] taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God as ye all are this day. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.
Mike wrote: I have a solution. If you don't believe in the Rapture, and it happens, don't go. That way you can pretend you were right. Attribute the disappearances to some mystery of which only God knows the answer
Is that a free will solution Mike?
Rapture is like Arminianism. When the Arminians get to heaven they will find out that the Calvinists were right all along.
When the Rapturists get to heaven they will complain that the real method was not any where near as exciting as the fictional drama they wrote.
"Jesus spoke a parable about â€śa man which sowed good seed in his fieldâ€ť and while men slept â€śhis enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat.â€ť We are not left to speculate as to the proper meaning of this parable, for Jesus himself gave the interpretation. The â€śgood seedâ€ť, the wheat, is sown by â€śthe Son of manâ€ť â€” Jesus Christ. The tares, â€śthe children of the wicked oneâ€ť, are sown by the enemy â€” â€śthe devil.â€ť They are sown in the same field â€” â€śthe worldâ€ť where both grow together until the harvest. And when will this be? â€śThe harvest is the END OF THE WORLDâ€ť (Verses 37-39)." (R.Woodrow)
Phoebe wrote: How were Old Testament Hebrews saved?
By Grace through Faith! Isaiah 61:1-3 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; ... (see also Luke 4:18-19)
Salvation has always been by Grace through Faith, I know you appreciate context so please take the time to consider Eph 2 and while there is much needed reading there, I would like to offer this pause, Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
I would also offer Hebrews 11 for your consideration, with these pauses Hebrews 11:26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
I have a solution. If you don't believe in the Rapture, and it happens, don't go. That way you can pretend you were right. Attribute the disappearances to some mystery of which only God knows the answer.
If you believe in the Rapture, and it doesn't seem to be happening, say you're timing was off. Label the visible tribulation as lesser tribulation. That avoids calling it the Great.
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they (also) which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen" Rev 1:7
His first coming was to deal with sin through His death and resurrection.
His second is to end sin and final cleansing, redemption of the world.
Its all about sin.
Scofield teaches a false gospel.
Hagee actually teaches that Christ was not the Messiah and did not proclaim himself the Messiah and did not come to save the Jews from their sins.
This is why, when those who have counted the cost discuss persecution and martydom of the saints, futurists will come back with, "oh Christians won't have to go through all that."
Ignoring that Christians are going through all that. They haven't counted the cost.
But certainly those receiving the other end of the Christian Zionist regime have, as they face rebels coming into their land, forcing them to denounce Christ and join forces and live or hold to their testimony. From what I hear, the current Iraq diaspora is something in the millions.
A theology that leads to and coldy disregards the taking down and destruction of the very body of Christ they claim to belong to.
This is no longer just an inhouse discussion but world blight
west coast reader wrote: Dopey, I feel cheated by your continual slipping around the issue. At least John fj and others make it plain they arenâ€™t going to listen to me, but you are playing games. There is no Salvation possible without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit,
Hey, I listen to you. I just don't agree with you all the time. You might be right about eschatology.
Dopey, I feel cheated by your continual slipping around the issue. At least John fj and others make it plain they arenâ€™t going to listen to me, but you are playing games.
There is no Salvation possible without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, Dispensationalism teaches many will be saved without the Holy Spirit being even on the earth. This LIE denies the Christ who saves us, It is a damnable heresy! 2 Peter look it up.
Jack Van Impe is a (Jesuit inspired or literal) PROVEN false prophet!!! When Dec 21 comes and goes, and no rapture has happened he will slip around the date set by himself again. He has set a date of 2019 for Christâ€™s return, Van Impe is a false prophet! Dispensationalism was spawned from the Bible hating Jesuit J.N Darby, spread by Scofield and others, including IRONSIDE.
Repent of spreading this stuff as if it was truth.
The Unscriptural Theologies Of Amillennialism And Postmillennialism
by Thomas Ice
"Now we must frankly admit that a literal interpretation of the Old Testament prophecies gives us just such a picture of an earthly reign of the Messiah as the premillennialist pictures. That was the kind of Messianic kingdom that the Jews of the time of Christ were looking for, on the basis of a literal interpretation of the Old Testament promises.
In the same vein, Oswald Allis admits, " the Old Testament prophecies if literally interpreted cannot be regarded as having been yet fulfilled or as being capable of fulfilment in this present age."
Further, the fact that people want to mix hermeneutics in the area of eschatology demonstrates to me that they do not rightly understand literal interpretation to begin with. If one follows proper hermeneutics, then recognizing symbols and figures or speech will become obvious through the literal approach. Instead, it is because people don' t like what the text says. Thus, they have to front-load the interpretive process with all kinds of ideas that they bring from outside of the text of Scripture."
Such as the literal hermeneutic.
Where are the "proper hermeneutics" taught in the bible?
Sleepy, how long are you going to keep embarrassing us dwarfs? Being tired and sleepy is no excuse for what you did. Shame on you for putting up a link like that!:
'Sitting under a juniper (retem, rather broom) he cried in deep despondency: "It, is enough; now, O Lord, take away my life." God, with tender considerateness, first relieved his physical needs, by sending to his exhausted frame "tired nature's kind restorer, balmy sleep," and then, by His angel, food; and only when nature was refreshed proceeds to teach him spiritually the lesson he needed.'
"I believe that we must understand the rapture of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 as transpiring between Revelation 3 and 4. The apostle is the symbol of this rapture." :
There is no such thing at "the rapture" in the bible. The Church will be caught up to be with the Lord during His second coming, the dead in Christ first, and then the living. This idea that the Church will not go and isn't going through the Tribulation is false. People who advocate for Dispensationalism are falling trap to the same political thought that the Jews did when Christ came. Dispensationalist are making the same mistake that Judas did, not seeing Christ as the Spiritual Savior (redeemer) of Men, but wanting an earthly fleshly earthly kingdom on earth. Read Hebrews and the people of Faith. One Kingdom,,,,,,the people of Faith, both Jew and Gentile. Abraham saw the future of the spiritual Messiah and praised God for it.