Can Obama Maintain the Support of Christian Democrats?
n 2008, then Sen. Barack Obama's platform of "hope and change" brought independent and Democratic Christian voters to the polls in high numbers. Yet keeping this flock intact may be more challenging as a result of some recent positions the White House has taken.
While some top officials at the Democratic National Committee express confidence in the president's reelection strategy, others are worried his support among Democrats that regularly attend church is faltering.
The Rev. Derrick Harkins, senior pastor of Nineteenth Street Baptist Church in Washington, D.C., is also the DNC's faith outreach director. He maintains that the party and President Obama have strong relationships with religious and faith-based groups and the support of 2008 remains solid....
Mike wrote: John, which has deeper meaning to you, the sound of bells or the smell of incense?
Neither sound of bells or the smell of incense has any deep meaning for me. At the local Catholic Church where I attend the only time they use bells is rarely in the choir. And the only time that incense is used is at Funeral Mass and Easter Mass. I like the sound of bells and the smell of incense but I can take or leave the sound of bells and the smell of incense.
John Yurich USA wrote: The simple reason that I wish to remain Catholic instead of converting to Protestantism is that I am more comfortable with liturgical worship over the non liturgical worship of Fundamentalist Protestant churches. ---
John, which has deeper meaning to you, the sound of bells or the smell of incense?
I will be one of those who sit this one out Mike M. I agree that the murder of millions of babies the line in the sand issue that would keep me from ever casting a vote for a democrat. I'm sitting out because of the republicans. I'm tired of the "lesser evil". I know that we aren't electing a spiritual head, so I won't even go into Romney's beliefs. Just his political stances and history are enough to make me say no.
I'm an independent voter. Always have been, always will be. I voted for Obama in the last election. Wanted to see us out of the ungodly war in Iraq and eventually the one in Afghanistan. Don't know if I will do so again because of my views on abortion and Sodomite marriage.
Jim Lincoln has it right. How will "republican" christians reconcile their support of Rommey? There is real doubt as to whether or not the current president is a true biblical christian; there won't be any with Rommey. If it is sin, then which would be the greater sin? Voting for Obama or a cultist, who is according to scripture an enemy of the gospel and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Maybe the best response would be for all christians to sit this one out. That won't happen, though. We are too personally caught up into the affairs of this world, trying it that were possible to make it more "christian". That is not going to happen no matter who is in White House. Ultimately, it is God who will determine who will govern.
When I'm in the states I sometimes attend Catholic church. There are many doctrines that I don't believe in, but I could say the same for the Southern Baptist church that I was brought up in. There will be many Christians from many denominations in Heaven...and lots of errors to be corrected.
Christians shouldn't have voted for Obama in the first place. Abortion is the defining issue. If you believe that abortion is murder, then you have no business voting for a democrat. Democrats=more murdered babies; Republicans=less murdered babies. That should be all any Christian needs to know to decide who to vote for...but when Obama wins his second term, and I do believe that he will, there will be Christians that voted for him or abstained from voting that allowed his reign to continue.
John. Have u ever read foxes book of martyrs? Highly recommend! Many of the men, during the reformation, where burned at the stake, for not going to mass. For not believing in regenerational baptism. As the catholic church teaches. Purgatory. Which takes away from the finished work on the cross. Which just in that, Is blasphemy. I pray, u search the scriptures, and read that book. Many people in this forum, have forgot there pilgrimage. And are very hateful, and not showing the fruit of the sprit. I pray the Lord show u the narrow gate.
John Y, my sister-in-law is a catholic, there will be Catholic's in heaven, probably as many Catholics as southern baptist. I'm not entirely sold on the path of those folks. I don't know about other places in America, but in Kentucky we tend to vote democrat in local politics and republican in national politics. Obama didn't carry Ky in the last election, Hillary actually won the primary here, however, by the time we vote it's usually all over anyway. I really wish there could be a new party in national politics. One where I could feel included. Not a party of liberals that are morally off the board or a bunch of corporate minions that want to trickle on everyone!!! Not much choice here I'm afraid. Guess I'll just pray and know God will never leave us nor forsake us...
theWayPA wrote: John Y, with all due respect, why do you want to maintain membership within a church that rejects the fundamental doctrines of salvation? How can you have fellowship with the vast majority of people within her ranks (2 Co. 6:14-17)? I am not trying to snark, I am genuinely asking. What part of the Mass is scriptural? Concerning God, even the demons believe in God, so just because one acknowledges the Deity of Christ does not mean they have Him (Ja. 2:19). Thank you...
The simple reason that I wish to remain Catholic instead of converting to Protestantism is that I am more comfortable with liturgical worship over the non liturgical worship of Fundamentalist Protestant churches. As to fellowship in the local Catholic Church that I attend and belong to, I do not fellowship with that many individuals. Like two or three individuals I communicate with. But the vast majority of the congregation I do not know personally or commuicate with. The parts of the Mass that are scriptural are:Apostles and Nicene Creeds minus the mention of Baptism remitting sin, Bible readings, Lord's Prayer, prayers to Jesus, hymns to Jesus, Eucharistic Prayer minus the parts about the intercession of the Virgin Mary and Saints and Mass being sacrifice.
John Yurich USA wrote: The Altar Call is based upon Romans 10:9. Saint Paul and the other Apostles preached Romans 10:9 to get individuals to embrace Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior. The minute that I embraced Jesus as my Personal Lord and Savior during an Altar Call at my brother's Non Denominational Church I started being guided by the Holy Spirit to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the Catholic Church, to flee from the unscriptural doctrines, adhere only to the scriptural Catholic doctrines and only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass. By only participating in the scriptural parts to the Mass I am worshipping Jesus in spirit and in truth since Jesus recognizes the scriptural parts to the Mass.
John Y, with all due respect, why do you want to maintain membership within a church that rejects the fundamental doctrines of salvation? How can you have fellowship with the vast majority of people within her ranks (2 Co. 6:14-17)? I am not trying to snark, I am genuinely asking. What part of the Mass is scriptural? Concerning God, even the demons believe in God, so just because one acknowledges the Deity of Christ does not mean they have Him (Ja. 2:19). Thank you...
"Barack Obama's platform of "hope and change" brought independent and Democratic Christian voters to the polls"
Obama is a "Democrat Christian" ~ In other words he is not a real Christian he is a Liberal or nominal christian, people who don't believe Scripture any more than the reprobates do. They work for Satan and work towards hell and damnation. Just another cult!!
Gene Robinson and his episcopalian church are the type of voters Obama will get for a future of moral and ethical decline in America if he is allowed.
Ah, John Y., you made yourself into a latter day Laodicean
Revelation 3 14 "And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this: 15 'I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I would that you were cold or hot. 16 'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth.---NASB
Anthony Brown wrote: John if you can prove that having an alter call is biblical or a historical Christian way of evangelizng then I will respect your opinion. And by the way THE GOSPEL CALL IS REPENT AND BELIEVE.
The Altar Call is based upon Romans 10:9. Saint Paul and the other Apostles preached Romans 10:9 to get individuals to embrace Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior.
Russ:I am one Catholic who Jesus saved from within the Catholic Church. The minute that I embraced Jesus as my Personal Lord and Savior during an Altar Call at my brother's Non Denominational Church I started being guided by the Holy Spirit to know that there are some unscriptural doctrines in the Catholic Church, to flee from the unscriptural doctrines, adhere only to the scriptural Catholic doctrines and only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass. By only participating in the scriptural parts to the Mass I am worshipping Jesus in spirit and in truth since Jesus recognizes the scriptural parts to the Mass. The type of church that one who is Born Again attends is superfluous as long as the church worships Jesus as God.
John if you can prove that having an alter call is biblical or a historical Christian way of evangelizng then I will respect your opinion. And by the way THE GOSPEL CALL IS REPENT AND BELIEVE.
John I said a roman catholic Christian is an oxymoron and it is in fact true. I am not saying that God cannot save a person from within the RCC, but when they come to saving faith in Christ and begin to feed on the Word of God, they won't be able to agree with the teachings of the RCC because the Spirit that lives within them simply won't allow them to remain. So, yes the "church" doesn't save anyone, but saved individuals are going to recognize error and flee from it.
Russ wrote: I agree John. A Christian democrat is an oxymoron kind of like roman catholic Christian. The two things just don't go together.
A Catholic Christian is not an oxymoron because if a Catholic who during an Altar call embraced Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior then they are a Christian. Just as if an Eastern Orthodox embraced Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior then they would also be a Christian. And if a Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopalian or any other Mainline Protestant embraced Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior they would also be a Christian. Just because someone who has embraced Jesus as their Personal Lord and Savior does not unite with an Evangelical Protestant Church such as Baptist or Pentecostal does not mean that they are not a Christian. Where in the Bible does it state that church membership in any church is also a requirement for savlation along with embracing Jesus as ones Personal Lord and Savior? The only requirement that Jesus gave in the Bible for salvation is that one embrace Him as their Personal Lord and Savior. Jesus did not mention anything about church membership being a requirement for salvation.
Nobody can be a Christian and a Democrat. One can not be against abortion and homosexuality and vote for Democrat politicians who are for abortion and homosexuality.
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