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TUESDAY, JUN 5, 2012  |  21 comments
Court: Christians can be ordered to violate beliefs

A ruling from Judge Tim L. Garcia in the New Mexico Court of Appeals says states can require Christians to violate their faith in order to do business, affirming a penalty of nearly $7,000 for a photographer who refused to take pictures at a lesbian “commitment” ceremony in the state where same-sex “marriage” was illegal.

Judge’s Cynthia Fry and James Wechsler joined in the ruling by Garcia, which involved Elane Photography, whose owners, Elaine and Jonathan Huegeunin, are Christians and declined to do photography for lesbians Vanessa Willock and another woman.

The women complained under the state’s anti-discrimination requirements and a state commission, the New Mexico Human Rights Commission, imposed the penalty, which now has been affirmed by the appeals court judges. The judges explained in the 45-page ruling that the photography company is a “public accommodation” and those cannot ...


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News Item6/9/12 2:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Apparently states, cities, and now state universities can protect these laws and ordinances to make obscene, abnormal relations legal.

I wonder if our state attorney general will remain muted on what is happening in Nebraska? He lost the Republican bid to run for Senate, so he's probably one unhappy trooper. He said both ordinances making obscene relationships normal couldn't be done on a municipal level, there was a successful petition drive in Lincoln to put it on the ballot here, but Omaha didn't have a petition drive. I wonder if he is going to something about Omaha?

I would also think the administration of the state universities think they're so cute about getting their employees of abnormal relationships all the benefits of being married, if not the name? I really do hope Nebraska voters remember this.

Apparently we won't get the brilliance of homos and child molesters (You know like the alleged one at Penn State?) This was the argument we were suppose have as dissolute school as the rest of the Big 10, because we are now a part of the Big 10!

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News Item6/8/12 3:05 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Hey, don't blame me, for the obnoxious things that the East Coast, you know like NY, spawns. I will blame any Regent who votes for this though, that happens to be in my part of the world.
Not blaming you for anything, Jim. NY is messed up, I'll be the first to admit it.(We have Chucky Schumer to help it remain messed up) But as you know, the Civil Rights Act 1964 has nothing to do with NY only. It also has nothing to do with homosexual marriage. Unless the Act is changed, it does not apply. Like any law, it's limited by its content.
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News Item6/8/12 2:37 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Sorry, Mike of N.Y., I don't think it should be protected but when it becomes a class it is, which it probably is in your own state? I never said it was right! but if the law says it is, then it is in the secular world.

By the way, a law we probably both support the "Protection of Marriage" is effectively neutered by actions like these, N-U Considers "Plus-One" Health Coverage. The discussion of this is probably going on in front of the Uni.NE. Regents this very moment. It will ok health benefits for strange people in strange relationships. It seems to be a legal subterfuge.

Hey, don't blame me, for the obnoxious things that the East Coast, you know like NY, spawns. I will blame any Regent who votes for this though, that happens to be in my part of the world.

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News Item6/7/12 8:04 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike of N.Y., if a group becomes a protected class, 'the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination and guarantees all persons the right to “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the grounds of race, color, religion or national origin.”' excerpted from, The Right To Refuse Service Or Discrimination?. This no doubt goes for state and municipal laws and ordinances as well. This is why I'm pleased that the City Council here in Lincoln, Nebr., are going to have to put it to a public vote if the queers form a separate class or not, because of a petition drive.
I see nothing in your 1964 CRA quote placing sex "orientation" in the list. What part of "race, color, religion, or national origin" is homosexuality? What does "becomes a protected class" mean? In terms of this law, nothing.
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News Item6/6/12 2:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike of N.Y., if a group becomes a protected class, 'the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination and guarantees all persons the right to “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the grounds of race, color, religion or national origin.”' excerpted from, The Right To Refuse Service Or Discrimination?. This no doubt goes for state and municipal laws and ordinances as well. This is why I'm pleased that the City Council here in Lincoln, Nebr., are going to have to put it to a public vote if the queers form a separate class or not, because of a petition drive.
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News Item6/5/12 9:53 PM
Peg McDowell | Pittsburgh  Contact via emailFind all comments by Peg McDowell
This shouldn't t even be in the courts. Ridiculous. No business should be forced to provide a service for someone they wish not. This is not free America. I am in shock.
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News Item6/5/12 6:01 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
complacency wrote:
We've turned a blind eye to every Christian adulterer through our silence on no-fault divorce:
So you are to blame, eh?
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News Item6/5/12 5:49 PM
complacency  Find all comments by complacency
We've turned a blind eye to every Christian adulterer through our silence on no-fault divorce:

He can enjoy his quickie divorcie in the morning, and as the sun sets, find a notary to seal himself to his lovely little concubine moments before carrying her across the threshold of their honeymoon suite. Then, as they bask in the glow of their consummation, they thank Jesus that He's already made them whiter than snow.

Homosexuals have been applauding this protected sanctimonious behavior -- and quietly licking their chops -- for decades.

Our comeuppance for a generation of Christian complacency starts now.

Russ wrote:
Dwayne you make a good point. Who does decide? For some of you this would apparently not be an issue, but for them it was and is a matter of conscience before God. They were right and I think it is important that each of us be given the opportunity to exercise our consciences. By the way since when is homosexuality(an abomination) a protected class? We don't try to protect murderers, liars, adulterers, thieves, etc., so why make this sin a special protected class?
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News Item6/5/12 5:01 PM
Mike | New Yoprk  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
When your in a public service business, no you don't have the right to refuse service to anyone.
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Of course you can point out the constitutional basis for this statement. Right, Jim?
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News Item6/5/12 4:22 PM
Russ | Texas  Find all comments by Russ
Dwayne you make a good point. Who does decide? For some of you this would apparently not be an issue, but for them it was and is a matter of conscience before God. They were right and I think it is important that each of us be given the opportunity to exercise our consciences. By the way since when is homosexuality(an abomination) a protected class? We don't try to protect murderers, liars, adulterers, thieves, etc., so why make this sin a special protected class?
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News Item6/5/12 4:17 PM
Dwayne  Find all comments by Dwayne
I think its good they refused to do this. But where do you draw the line?
Will i go photograph a wedding where I know that everyone is going to get right drunk after with all kinds of immorallity or do i stay away from photographing that one to?

Just a question

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News Item6/5/12 2:11 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
When your in a public service business, no you don't have the right to refuse service to anyone. Who knows perhaps in some Black communities they would refuse doing business to Whites, this is considered discrimination, which I see the article pointed out. It is an interesting read, I wonder if these photographers are going to take to an even higher court of the land?

Rendering To Caesar: A Biblical Perspective On Government as this free download points out, there is really only one time one can disobey government, or least the one that most often comes up, and that is when one is forbidden by government and that is preaching the Gospel, and as the article pointed out, these photographers,according to the court, could vocalize to their clients what they and especially God thought about their behavior.

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News Item6/5/12 1:19 PM
Kristi | Wyoming  Find all comments by Kristi
We own a business, what happened to your right to refuse service to anyone. We have had to use it ourselves. Is this article stating that we no longer have this right as a business owner?
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News Item6/5/12 12:21 PM
Hassless  Find all comments by Hassless
Jesus taught us that we should join with the worldly and make friends with mammon anyway.
Quote.
Luke 16:8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. 9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.

So when you are making money who cares who pays the bill? Jesus doesn't.

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News Item6/5/12 12:17 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
west coast reader wrote:
A photographer can't take pictures at certain functions with public children or at a beach where bathing suits are worn, or certain buildings (Eiffel Tower and others), all of which are in public areas. (I was shooting a city bus promotion near a river with swimmers and the police stopped and questioned me, demanded to examine my camera to see what I was taking, I complied, but...)
Voyeurism would be frowned upon for example too.
But if those people are homosexual... well... they are "legally protected" so no rules apply to them. You must do as they say, or else it's hate speech and you are the criminal.
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Judges should have two mouths, since they now speak two ways out of one. Then the words from one mouth would keep the children class from being photographed, for they are a protected class; the words from the other mouth would require taking photographs of the homosexual class, for they are a protected class.
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News Item6/5/12 11:43 AM
west coast reader  Find all comments by west coast reader
A photographer can't take pictures at certain functions with public children or at a beach where bathing suits are worn, or certain buildings (Eiffel Tower and others), all of which are in public areas. (I was shooting a city bus promotion near a river with swimmers and the police stopped and questioned me, demanded to examine my camera to see what I was taking, I complied, but...)

Voyeurism would be frowned upon for example too.

But if those people are homosexual... well... they are "legally protected" so no rules apply to them. You must do as they say, or else it's hate speech and you are the criminal.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

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News Item6/5/12 10:36 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Revelation 13:16-17
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

The basic principle in Revelation 13:16-17 is state control of economic life affecting people at the cost of people's professed religious beliefs which is the same principle sitting in the news article here:

"states can require Christians to violate their faith in order to do business"

And as there is "a penalty" for not obeying the decree in the news article so also there will be a penalty for not obeying the decree revealed in the Revelation Scripture: execution by the state.

However as the Book of Revelation reveals there is a far more severe penalty, than execution, for obeying: eternal damnation.

The news article could be, perhaps, better entitled, "American rehearsal for submitting to the Antichrist and ending up in the lake of fire."

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News Item6/5/12 10:07 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Mark M:Right. Whenever there is a tragedy in the public schools the first thing they do is to bring in psychologists for the students to communicate with. They are turning the kids into a bunch of pansies. When I was a senior in high school one of the classmembers committed suicide and they did not bring in anybody for the students to communicate with. In fact I did not know about it until it was printed in the school newspaper. Back then kids had a backbone and were taught by their parents to be tough and to accept tragedy when tragedy takes place and not be a bunch of pansies.
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News Item6/5/12 9:27 AM
Mark M. | in the UAE  Contact via emailFind all comments by Mark M.
Alright then, lets say I run an illegal dog fighting ring and I want pictures to be taken for my illegal dog fightin' newsletter. I go to a private photographer who wants no part in my illegal activity and on general principal. I should now be able to sue him for discriminating against me....except replace dog fight operator with card carrying NAMBLA member. I'm not saying that it will happen, but don't even think for a second that it CAN'T happen.

Christian convictions aside for a moment, what ever happened to common people with backbone? If you don't want my business, then I'll take it elsewhere. If you are an unfair business owner, word of mouth is going to shut you down. There is no sense in getting the government involved in every aspect of our lives, especially a government as blind to common sense as ours. Our nation is a bunch of limp wrist-ed cry babies who just love having Big Brother and Nanny telling them what they can and can't do.

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News Item6/5/12 7:43 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"The judges explained in the 45-page ruling that the photography company is a “public accommodation” and those cannot ..."

How sly, calling a private photography business, a public accommodation. It seems redefiniton is a favorite way fallen man gets to see and do things his own way. Even Christians who should know better are sometimes willing to do this.

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