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TUESDAY, JUN 5, 2012  |  56 comments
1617 King James Bible acquired by New Orleans Seminary

In 2011, English speakers -- and Christians in particular -- celebrated the 400th anniversary of the first printing of the King James "Authorized Version" of the Bible.

The KJV, heralded both for its longstanding value as a translation of Scripture and for its impact on the English language, was commissioned in 1604. Seven years later, in 1611, royal printer Robert Barker produced the first copies of the new English version of the Bible.

A second printing took place in 1613, with a third in 1617.

New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary acquired a copy of the King James Bible from that 1617 printing from a former Primitive Baptist minister and his family in Atwood, Tenn., in August 2011. ...


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News Item6/18/12 2:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Again, I will point out Comparative Study Bible, if you want the AV besides some very accurate Bibles.

However, again I will point out a Bible program for the PC that SA, likes and even has a link to SA, and that is the e-Sword, you can put in paralled the 1611, 1769 KJVs, perhaps the RV if you infatuated with Elizabethan and it should be accurate in this official replacement of the AV, and ESV one of the best modern versions out there, officially used by he M.S. Lutherans in the U.S. and apparently the Reformed churches in England! Excellent version. All for free, which by the way the most accurate Bibles in English can be found free here for the PC, The Lockman Foundation -- Free Downloads probably better to download on an XP machine and installed on Windows 7 machine from those downloads.

Doug Kutilek wrote:
Just once before I die, I want to pick up a book that
advocates KJV Onlyism and find that the author at least gets his facts straight....
Why KJVO Claims and Arguments Cannot Be Trusted
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News Item6/17/12 3:29 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The KJV has been tested and found wanting, but as I pointed out in another thread, Westcott & Hort vs. Textus Receptus: Which is Superior? you can by excruciating means you can get the truth out of the AV, The one important thing is to put it into understandable English not in dead Elizabethan. The easiest way to get over the rough spots is to just get the Comparative Study Bible, you can look over the to one of the accurate translations and see what the KJV is saying or suppose to say. You can get an NKJV and use that to translate the KJV into English, or even get a slavish copy of the KJV The 21st Century King James Version of the Holy Bible (KJ21®). The one main thing it needs to be translated into English, and don't be like the Muslims which the KJV Witnesses copy, and say it has to be Arabic in their case or Elizabethan in the KJV Witnesses case. Remember some of the verses that AV translators used in putting their Bible into then (fairly) modern English?

1Cor1 Corinthians 14:9
So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken?...WEB

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News Item6/17/12 2:28 PM
west coast reader  Find all comments by west coast reader
Ah, Dr. Whites response to Bart Ehrman in their "Misquoting Jesus" debate.

Ehrman: Which variant of which word do we use?

White:"We don't need to know which word to use, they are all there someplace, isn't that wonderful?" (restated)

I thought White was joking, but after listening to that debate several times, and White's follow up on DL, it is exactly what he meant and reaffirms.

Dump the doubters!!!

REST in Truth!
Yes the KJV is tried and true, tested and complete. All the correct words in place correctly. No DOUBT the very Word of God!!!

Come to it with a seekers heart of faith and hope and trust because God Cares that you come in Faith.

What is your commission on selling that bible you keep linking to jim?

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News Item6/17/12 1:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, and Dr. White's answer to Dr. Morris! A Response to a Brother in Christ--Dr. Morris' "Defense" of the King James Bible Reviewed.

There may be a few places that have this excellent parallel Bible, Comparative Study Bible for a dollar or two cheaper, and as such with either the name or the ISBN (9780310903338) you should find most of the outfits that are selling it. As I have pointed out, this is a way, "For You to Have Your Cake and Eat It Too," because besides having, the NASB, NIV, and the a Amplified Bible, you will also have the 1769 KJV. At least, with the other Bibles you'll have a general idea what the KJV is saying if it was an modern English, and quite a few times more accurate.

So, you'll be able to have your Catholic Bible after all! Is the King James Version a ‘Roman Catholic Bible’?

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News Item6/17/12 12:07 PM
west coast reader  Find all comments by west coast reader
Vatican spokesman wrote:
“If it had not been for the Catholics of the 1500s there would be no King James Bible.”
My entire comment is quoting from news article...Vatican Now Trying to Steal the KJV

(EX-Board Member NKJV)Dr. Henry Morris -A Creationist's Defense of the King James Bible
If it were possible, 60 million corpses would be “turning over in their graves” in response to the arrogance of this lie...

What appalling hypocrisy that popery would believe that the world has forgotten their bloody inquisition that slaughtered millions of Bible believers who stood on the KJV as God’s word for the common man.

...It is another ploy by the pope to coax members of other “faiths” into his ecumenical trap...

BC: What have you found in your research as the connection of Roman Catholicism to the KJV?
Daniels: The Vatican has it backwards. Rome would not have a Bible to pervert, if it were not for the preserved words of God that we have in the King James Bible.
BC: So, how did this come about?
... go to the link

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News Item6/16/12 1:56 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Mr. Dew, for one thing the AV doesn't follow the TR. The NKJV does a much better job than that, besides correcting many, though not all the errors in the AV. Apparently,you need to pick up some more books, besides the Comparative Study Bible--which does have the AV in it. King James Version Debate By D. A. Carson and a course James White's excellent book, King James Only Controversy.

So, gentlemen, what conversion of the AV into modern English do you approve of? The American KJV?

Not only does The Truth About KJV Only:… The Agendascovers the topic fairly well, but so does, A Response to a Brother in Christ--Dr. Morris' "Defense" of the King James Bible Reviewed should wrap the topic up quite well.

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News Item6/16/12 8:46 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
west coast reader wrote:
I'm out of space to complete my next thought so I'll just say, thanks for your testimony
And I thank you for yours, west coast. It is a wonderful thing to hear how the Lord has led his people, and has brought them out of all sorts of backgrounds into his marvellous light and freedom.

If I find a KT in a junk shop, I might buy it and have a read, just to see the points you made, of which I'm sure you are right.

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News Item6/15/12 7:48 PM
west coast reader  Find all comments by west coast reader
John UK wrote:
As for (is it called) The Living Bible? Well a short testimony might reveal why I mentioned it.
I have to confess that it was in defending the NLT which is the "next run" of the Living Bible, that helped push me along in studying this version topic.

I gave you a wink because the Kenneth Taylor version was criticized for its Arminianism and the NLT was supposed to remedy some of that. [oh wait... new translations don't change doctrine...]

I strongly resisted the KJV for some time, actually despising the language and tie in remembrance to the Mormon church of which I was converted out of. I would have accepted any irrefutable evidence that could support my use of the NLT or the HCSB.

I'm out of space to complete my next thought so I'll just say, thanks for your testimony

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News Item6/15/12 6:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
west coast reader wrote:
Conclusion;
USE the KJV!
Dig into it with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. It is the Word of God.
I dunno about the NLT (Kenneth Taylor) John UK... there is something extra going on with that one. I think...
I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion bro.

As for (is it called) The Living Bible? Well a short testimony might reveal why I mentioned it. I was brought to the Lord by the preaching of three men, all of whom quoted AV texts in the course of their messages. But one of them told some stories from the old testament using what he described as the Kenneth Taylor Bible. Now never having heard the gospel before, and knowing nothing about the different versions, I was unaware at the time of disputes concerning Bibles. But I was most aware of the awesome presence of God, who had visited me without invitation, and caused me to believe I was a lost, hellbound sinner, and deservedly so. For days I lived in his presence, feeling sure I was damned, until I finally got to see that "Christ died FOR the ungodly". And that gave me hope of forgiveness.

But this chap who made use of the KT Bible said, "You can get it a little straighter from the King James....."

So I've never read the KT.

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News Item6/15/12 5:25 PM
west coast reader  Find all comments by west coast reader
pure as the mountain dew wrote:
WCR: The NTG/N-A (NAB) is Roman Catholic.
You're not "tracking" this close enough my friend.

The argument would be between the TR (Received text) Greek text the KJV was translated from.

And the CT (Critical Text) which was produced in 1881 by Wescott and Hort.

All modern versions (as in every single other popular contemporary version) besides the KJV are heavily influenced by the CT.

TR position is God has preserved His Word.

CT position is God failed to preserve his word and man must correct all the errors.

Conclusion;
USE the KJV!
Dig into it with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. It is the Word of God.

I dunno about the NLT (Kenneth Taylor) John UK... there is something extra going on with that one. I think...

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News Item6/15/12 5:23 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
pure as the mountain dew wrote:
TS: The W-H (NASB) is Roman Catholic.
JL: The TR (AV) is Roman Catholic.
WCR: The NTG/N-A (NAB) is Roman Catholic.
This is like a massive dark cloud hovering over Christianity.
Who will once-and-for-all adjudicate this matter so the Christian can immediately move forward with reading, studying and memorizing the pure Word? Until then, a coma continues to engulf the christian mind.
The whole of Christianity stands or falls upon which of these to use.
patmd

The matter cannot be adjudicated (as you call it), because nothing can be proven regarding the Bible. Why not? Because there are no autographs in existence. Christianity does not stand or fall on this issue. If everyone read the NIV, all the elect would be saved through that. If everyone read the KJV, all the elect would be saved through that, and if everyone read the Kenneth Taylor or Douay, God would still save his elect through them.

Now seeing as the elect are The Church, can you now see that your "dark cloud" which hovers over Christianity can be dispelled by the Lord in a flash, and that by inspiration and enlightenment, he can reveal to his people the truth of Jesus death. Even "Christ died for our sins" is sufficient to bring faith.

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News Item6/15/12 5:06 PM
pure as the mountain dew  Find all comments by pure as the mountain dew
TS: The W-H (NASB) is Roman Catholic.

JL: The TR (AV) is Roman Catholic.

WCR: The NTG/N-A (NAB) is Roman Catholic.

This is like a massive dark cloud hovering over Christianity.

Who will once-and-for-all adjudicate this matter so the Christian can immediately move forward with reading, studying and memorizing the pure Word? Until then, a coma continues to engulf the christian mind.

The whole of Christianity stands or falls upon which of these to use.

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News Item6/15/12 5:00 PM
west coast reader  Find all comments by west coast reader
NASB Rejected by co-founder! (well that's the title but the claim is refutable)
Listen for yourself right here on sermon audio

Lockman Foundation (NASB) wrote:
As for the mysterious dog Mephistopheles, the dog actually belonged to one of Westcott's sons and no doubt was named by the son.
Wikipedia Link about the demon Mephistopheles

Also remember,
The Roman Catholics Abhor the KJV and reject it. They will only use their own altered version which removes the 2nd commandment... Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Exodus 20:4, KJV)

Erasmus Text was used and loved by the Reformers such as Luther. Despite their arguments.

The KJV is chuck full of the Accurate Truth given to man and preserved by God. Fiercely attacked by the devil and his demons, who will stop at nothing to get you to doubt God.

When the devil can't change the Word of God, he tries to change the words men use. Think about it.

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News Item6/15/12 3:45 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, the KJV isn't inerrant it's chuck full of errors...
Oh really. So if all these so-called errors are known, does that mean they can all be rectified and a perfect inerrant Bible produced and printed? Eh Jim?

Or are you saying that only some of these so-called errors are known?Perhaps there are other errors you don't even know about. Perhaps the scriptures are full of errors? It's just that you don't know about them.

Yea, hath God said?!

Tis the voice of the serpent.

BTW Jim, if you don't have a perfect greek manuscript from which to translate, how do YOU analyse and claim errors? Have you ever thought of these things? Or are you just a parrot for the higher critics? Do you get paid much for maligning the word of God?

Why do you listen to the likes of Bruce Metzger and Westcott and Hort and Kurt Aland. Anyone can do some research on these foul characters and see where they're coming from. Unbelievers, the lot of them! And you hearken to THEM!! But not to the likes of the Trinitarian Bible Society, whose works prove their faith in God's word as God's word.

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News Item6/15/12 3:32 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, the KJV isn't inerrant it's chuck full of errors, you know, Errors in the King James Version?, ah but I have other things to do, and the only reason I got back on here is to point out you can have your cake and eat it too, if you get something like, Comparative Study Bible (I'll even double-check to see if I have that right! this time) which not only have 3 great Bibles in it in parallel, but also the KJV, I guess no book can be perfect.

If you have a 32 bit windows operating system you can download the NASB and Amplified Bible for free from, The Lockman Foundation -- Free Downloads so, you can see what God actually said.

Have fun, John U.K., hopefully you'll get a new PM in the not distant future. (that is, if he's better!)

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News Item6/15/12 3:23 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I don't believe there is a controversy over the King James Version.

Especially as it is the inerrant and inspired word of God.

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News Item6/15/12 2:53 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Catholic Encyclopedia wrote:
..."Paraphrases of the New Testament" (1517 and later)....In these publications the attitude of Erasmus towards the text of the New Testament is an extremely radical one, even if he did not follow out all its logical consequences. In his opinion the Epistle of St. James shows few signs of the Apostolic spirit; the Epistle to the Ephesians has not the diction of St. Paul, and the Epistle to the Hebrews he assigns with some hesitation to Clement of Rome. In exegesis he favoured a cold rationalism and treated the Biblical narratives just as he did ancient classical myths, and interpreted them in a subjective and figurative, or, as he called it, allegorical, sense.
our hero from this excerpt of Desiderius Erasmus. John I think you had better read John MacArther's The Biblical Position on The KJV Controversy especially or even Dr. Combs' The Preservation of Scripture
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News Item6/15/12 2:37 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
pure as the mountain dew wrote:
TS: The W-H (NASB) is Roman Catholic.
JL: The TR (AV) is Roman Catholic.
Who will once-and-for-all adjudicate this matter so the Christian can move forward with reading, studying and memorizing the pure Word?
If you take the thousands of extant greek mss and spend ten years compiling a standard greek text from them, it will be noticeable that the standard will be almost identical to the TR, but gravely different from the W&H text.
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News Item6/15/12 2:32 PM
pure as the mountain dew  Find all comments by pure as the mountain dew
TS: The W-H (NASB) is Roman Catholic.

JL: The TR (AV) is Roman Catholic.

This is like a massive dark cloud hovering over Christianity.

Who will once-and-for-all adjudicate this matter so the Christian can immediately move forward with reading, studying and memorizing the pure Word? Until then, a coma continues to engulf the christian mind.

The whole of Christianity stands or falls upon which of these to use.

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News Item6/15/12 2:23 PM
TS  Find all comments by TS
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, remember most of the transcripts are the Vatican's, Erasmus was a dedicated Catholic, and this is one reason that the AV
By the same token Jim, the NASB is a Roman Catholic bible since your two Anglican Liberal buddies Westcott and Hort, who wrote p/of your Greek text, leaned heavily towards Rome in things like maryolatry and for example
Hort wrote in a letter...

July 6, 1848 -- to Mr. John Ellerton -- On Roman Catholicism

" . . . almost all Anglican statements are a mixture in various proportions of the true and the Romish view . . . the pure Romish view seems to me nearer, and more likely to lead to, the truth than the Evangelical." (Hort)

AND:
October 17, 1865 – to B.F. Westcott -- On Roman Catholicism

"I have been persuaded for many years that Mary-worship and ‘Jesus’-worship have very much in common in their causes and results…we condemn all secondary human mediators as injurious to the One, and shut our eyes to the indestructible fact of existing human mediation which is to be found everywhere. But this last error can hardly be expelled till Protestants unlearn the crazy horror of the idea of priesthood." (HORT)

This by the guy who helped write your NASB Jim.

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