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A new Bible translation released by Thomas Nelson changes the nouns for God, Jesus Christ and angels to Eternal One, the Anointed One and a messenger of God. But critics say the project that supposedly is ‚Äúattuned to the times‚ÄĚ is just a Gospel that‚Äôs been ‚Äúwatered down.‚ÄĚ
The Voice translation, a joint project between Thomas Nelson and the Ecclesia Bible Society, was released this spring.
The translation comes at the same time that critics contend Wycliffe Bible Translators is changing the names for God and Jesus to appease a Muslim target audience....
west coast reader wrote: Hey Dopey, the wording I used on this doesn't sound like I meant it. I have a daughter that can memorize scripture really easy, she has the mind and ability to do it.
I have a really hard time memorizing, and even with much struggle and determination, I can't seem to get much of anything to stick.
Dear west coast reader, I am glad to hear what you say about your daughter. I don't have the memory I used to have when I had the ability to memorize my part and that of everyone else for the performance of a play. Thus I thank God for the freeware programs e-sword and theWord. I can usually remember part of a verse and thus can easily find it with the search the entire Bible function in each program. ________________________________________
west coast reader wrote: and if you are of a mind and ability to hide it in your heart, do so.
Hey Dopey, the wording I used on this doesn't sound like I meant it. I have a daughter that can memorize scripture really easy, she has the mind and ability to do it. I have a really hard time memorizing, and even with much struggle and determination, I can't seem to get much of anything to stick.
So I was thinking of my situation, and because I addressed you, you would probably naturally think I was talking to you, and it might appear that I was questioning your ability to memorize, and I wouldn't know at all one way or the other if you were a steel trap at memory or not.
I should stop replying to anything, I just don't make sense. sorry if it offended you, I sure didn't mean to.
Those Martyn LLoyd Jones sermons really are good tho, which was really what I wanted to pass along the most.
great advice wrote: Mike. Get a copy of the Institutes of Christian Religion. That will help you get over it.
Seriously, and I'm not trying to be mean to anyone-- but--
First you have to pick a translation of the Institutes. Then you have to pick a camp. One camp is very sure that Calvin didn't believe or teach that the Bible was/is infallible. I picked wrong and gave up at that point.
Well, as I pointed out, people can easily get the 4 best Bibles, well 3 best anyway, by picking up a copy of Comparative Study Bible and there are quite a few sources for it.
Ah, John U.K., a slight glimmer of hope! I agree with your message as,
Drs. Ankerberg & Weldon wrote: ...if one uses the same logic as the KJVO proponents, and cites selected passages which seem to teach salvation by works, one could even argue that it is the KJV itself which distorts the doctrine of salvation. Remember that the KJV has been the favorite Bible of new religions and cults, like Mormonism, that promote salvation by works. Why? Because in many places the KJV verses are less clear than the reliable modern versions.
Readers should also be reminded that the e-Sword PC program, a favorite of SA, can display Bibles in parallel, such as the KJV 1611,KJV 1769,RV 1881, and then if you want one that is in readable English the ESV, however the Authorized replacement for AV, the RV will be quite accurate though still in (good) Elizabethan.
Mike wrote: I have my KJV's, John. 3 of them. And a NASB, NIV, HSBC, NLT, Douay-Rheims, NAB, NKJV. I guess I'm part heretic.
Mike, the first part of your post was most heartwarming, but then it was all downhill from then on. However, rest assured that the title heretic or part heretic depends entirely on the doctrines or false doctrines you ascertain from your books. It is said that the Word/Faith folks like Ken Copeland make a case for Jesus and his disciples being rich even from the KJV.
I met a nest of people in Somerset, England who had been influenced by his heresies, and it made me very sad. They were really living in a dream world, away from reality, especially in the realm of health.
Thanks Dopey! They (BLB) also have an app for iPhone/iPod/iPad, that is free. It's a very useful tool if you use one of those devices as well.
Something John UK said made me remember something else, and that is that modern electronic devices have the ability to delete content or be remotely shut down or disabled. So keep the Paper KJV too, and if you are of a mind and ability to hide it in your heart, do so.
Expect more and more modern versions to come out which will extract more and more words, replace words, add words, and generally make it difficult for the public to actually find God's word in any bookshop.
Keep a hold of your King James Bibles, even stock up, for a time will come when finding and hearing the word of God will be very rare.
west coast reader wrote: Ah, according to Kutilek no bible can be trusted.
Yes you read that correctly, according to the very person quoted by Jim Lincoln so often, there is a solution to this problem. ---you can't believe any of it, it's all a lie. Don't listen to those who tell you not to believe the Bible, they are liars and thieves like their father the devil. Repent of your attacks against the Bible and against God. Come to the KJV in faith on His terms not yours. God is faithful and true and has preserved His word. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!! e-sword is free, you can us it to do deep study of the richness of God's Eternal Word, most study tools such as the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge us the KJV. Dig in!
Speaking of good links Lurker provided a dandy which I was totally unfamiliar with:
Devil D. Kutilek wrote: What shall we say then? Which text shall we choose as superior? We shall choose neither the Westcott-Hort text (or its modern kinsmen) nor the textus receptus (or the majority text) as our standard text, our text of last appeal. All these printed texts are compiled or edited texts, formed on the basis of the informed (or not-so-well-informed) opinions of fallible editors.
Yes you read that correctly, according to the very person quoted by Jim Lincoln so often, there is a solution to this problem. ---you can't believe any of it, it's all a lie.
Don't listen to those who tell you not to believe the Bible, they are liars and thieves like their father the devil.
Repent of your attacks against the Bible and against God.
Come to the KJV in faith on His terms not yours. God is faithful and true and has preserved His word. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!!
e-sword is free, you can us it to do deep study of the richness of God's Eternal Word, most study tools such as the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge us the KJV. Dig in!
Jim Lincoln wrote: Ah, a Bible that preaches heresy!
But Jim. We have taught you so many times that the Bibles preaching heresy are those written by heretics.
For example the Modern versions such as the NIV and your NASB were contributed to, by the heretics, the Anglican Liberals Westcott and Hort.
Letter written by Hort. October 15, 1860 -- to B.F. Westcott -- On Substitutionary Atonement
"I entirely agree--correcting one word--with what you there say on the Atonement, having for many years believed that 'the absolute union of the Christian (or rather, of man) with Christ Himself' is the spiritual truth of which the popular doctrine of substitution is an immoral and material counterfeit. But I doubt whether that answers the question as to the nature of the satisfaction. Certainly nothing can be more unscriptural than the modern limiting of Christ's bearing our sins and sufferings to His death; but indeed that is only one aspect of an almost universal heresy" (Letter From Hort)
Doug Kutilek wrote: And I could write at length of the KJV's fourfold reference to the Holy Spirit, Third Person of the Trinity, as "it" (John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; I Peter 1:11), which in my opinion comes little short, if indeed it comes short at all, of blasphemy. Baptist theologian Emery Bancroft ascribed this horrid translation to Socinian influence among the KJV translators (see Emery H. Bancroft, CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1961; revised edition], pp. 147-8). The Socinian doctrine of the Holy Spirit was roughly the same as that of the Jehovah's Witnesses, whose translation--alone of modern Bible versions--also refers to the Holy Spirit as "it.". . . .
Need a good Bible? get them free if you have a PC! The free downloads, The Lockman Foundation -- Free Downloads, of of the NASB, and the a Amplified Bible, are just, free. The Bibles of course are the best you can get in contemporary English, but apparently want them to compete with the modules that are sold, they lack some bells & whistles.
Here is a list of some of the available Critical Apparatus/Editions to choose from. Of course they don't agree with each other, but feel free to jump on in and write your own bible from the Greek, pick and choose the words you like, delete the ones you don't. The goal here is to remove as much as possible and not get caught. Shift and slide, obscure and hide! It doesn't really matter what you choose, just give a defense for YOUR version, and you have successfully created doubt in the Word of God. Congratulations! You can pick up your prize at the second death with the Devil and his Angels.
Aland: Synopsis Quattuor Evangeliorum * Bover * Hodges & Farstad * Huck * Merk * The "Nestle" text: Nestle editions 1-25 | Nestle-Aland editions 26, 27 * Das Neue Testament auf Papyrus * Souter * Swanson * Tasker * Tischendorf * United Bible Societies Edition * Vogels * Westcott & Hort
Don't listen to those false professors!
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. (Proverbs 30:5, KJV the Solid Reliable Accurate Trustworthy Word of God)
The KJV has one of the worst manuscripts around, Erasmus and the Textus Receptus... He really had shoddy workmanship. Is this why the KJV translators went off on their own to make some different translations, but if you support the TR, then you have to use the NKJV!
Drs. Ankerberg & Weldon wrote: In fact, the NKJV followed the Greek text of the Textus Receptus throughout the New Testament and "anywhere the NKJV appears to differ from the Greek text used by the KJV translators, it is because it has corrected the KJV departures from the Textus Receptus. Consequently, the NKJV adheres more closely to the Textus Receptus than does its predecessor the KJV".
Jim Lincoln wrote: a free electronic version of the Bible
You know this topic is deeper than surface language. You know the problem is with the doubt infused and confused and reused by the Alexandrian text and the as of yet still today uncertainty introduced by the still unfinished still needing fixed critical apparatus such as the NA27 and others that are used to produce all modern versions.
Knowing you have the ability to turn that gem of English language using such a fine tool as e-sword. You got no excuses to not study the Trustworthy and Reliable Preserved Word of God from the Finished and Complete Best Manuscripts, The KJV.
Jim Lincoln wrote: If you have to use a dictionary to translate a Bible into your own language, then it's time to get a new bible that is in your language...I would like accuracy when quoting Scriptures.
You like accuracy do you Jim. Try personally trying on some this accuracy:
Isaiah 29:13 KJV
Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near [me] with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men
And then try personally trying on some of this accurracy.
1 Corinthians 2:11-16 KJV
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual... 14 15 16
If you have to use a dictionary to translate a Bible into your own language, then it's time to get a new bible that is in your language.
Luke 13 6He spoke this parable. "‚ÄúA certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it, and found none. 7He said to the vine dresser, ‚ÄėBehold, these three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree, and found none. Cut it down. Why does it waste the soil?‚Äô 8He answered, ‚ÄėLord, leave it alone this year also, until I dig around it, and fertilize it. 9If it bears fruit, fine; but if not, after that, you can cut it down.‚Äô‚ÄĚ" ---WEB
The above is a free electronic version of the Bible in English by the way. Use something in English, because that is just Restating The Obvious About Bible Translations Or even the Amer KJV would have it better, but it copies the AV too closely, and I would like accuracy when quoting Scriptures.