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Pastor Sentenced To 2 Years In Prison For Teaching That Parents Should Spank Their Children
Do you believe that parents should be able to spank their children? Do you ever express that opinion to others? If so, then you could be sent to prison. Sadly, that is exactly what happened to one pastor up in Wisconsin recently. A minister named Philip Caminiti was sentenced to 2 years in prison for simply teaching that parents should spank their children when they misbehave. Please note that Caminiti was not accused of spanking anyone or of physically hurting anyone. He was put in prison simply for his speech. He was put in prison simply for what he was teaching others to do. Whether you agree with spanking or not, this should be incredibly sobering for all of us. Increasingly, speech is being penalized in the United States. Much of the time, the focus of the attacks by the forces of political correctness is on religious speech. If this trend continues, many of you that are reading this...
jpw wrote: sorry, obey the word, but what we do to the least of these is part of the law....the law of God would require us to protect a two month old, who simply needs to be nursed and kept from toxic heavy metals and given a safe place to sleep
Regardless of the strawmen you and others keep setting up on this thread, you still apparently refuse to obey the word of God.
What the "Christian" should do (if you can) is provide the correct Scriptural passage to direct the parent on this point. After all if Proverbs records this seven times then it must be important. Where then in Scripture do you find the necessary guidance for the parent?
sorry, obey the word, but what we do to the least of these is part of the law....the law of God would require us to protect a two month old, who simply needs to be nursed and kept from toxic heavy metals and given a safe place to sleep.
Christians want to hold their God-given freedom to train up their children...... but will not "fall on their sword" for abuses of scripture.
These are the statutes and precepts GOD has recorded that parents be guided in bringing up their children.
Lurker and Mike NY et al apparently choose to refute these laws.
Prov 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. 19:18 Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying. 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. 14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame 17 Correct thy son, and he shall give thee rest; yea, he shall give delight unto thy soul.
It is interesting to note that GOD Himself chastises His children. GOD's children are aware of this truth!
John UK wrote: Ha! p.s. Thanks for the mature comments. I've never been in a position to apply chastisement myself, but I take an interest in biblical guidance anyway.
I'm sorry that you never had to opportunity to experience the joys and trials of marriage and God's precious gift of children but I'm sure you willingly accept that as God's plan for you life.
I'm not so sure my comments were mature, but I hope they made a point. But it is certain that if I ever witnessed a parent abusing an infant I would use every lawful means at my disposal (and there are many which respond with the greatest of haste) to make sure it would never happen again. Anyone who can point to the bible and say God instructs them to beat innocent infants is sick and needs help.... help only the Holy Spirit can give.
obey the Word wrote: Ah I see you agree with this secular judge. Interesting! Perhaps you disagree with the Lord's Scripture too? Unacceptable parameters for you?
Speaking of paramaters; tell us. How big of a rod would you recommend and how many strikes of the rod should a two month old infant receive for, say, crying out in hunger a 4 AM?
Or, how many strikes for being fussy because of a dirty diaper? We sure don't want that little one going to hell for committing such heinous sins against God, now, do we?
Oh, one other thing. What kind of material should the rod be made of? Since you say it is to establish authority, I can find no better example of authority than Rev 19:15 "he shall rule them with a rod of iron". How about 1/2 inch diameter by about, say, two foot long? Work for you? (We'll teach those evil two month old monsters whose boss, won't we? (wink, wink) )
Mike wrote: By supporting striking an infant as a proper correction method, are you implying he understands why he is being disciplined? Perhaps if you would give an example of something a 2-week old infant might do that would require the rod to be applied, (to save him from hell, of course) it might help.
Please note that the rod is to establish authority - not a degree in nuclear physics.
Lurker wrote: If this is what this guy believes, teaches and/or practices, he should be locked up with the pastor.
Ah I see you agree with this secular judge. Interesting! Perhaps you disagree with the Lord's Scripture too? Unacceptable parameters for you?
Pete's not be too quick to judge this verdict. We are all supporters of punnishing people for speech when that speech is used to instruct someone to commit a crime. Examples of this would be: Charels Manson and a host of mob and street gang leaders who never actually lift a finger in commiting a crime. I do not know exactly what he was teaching or what the parents were doing. Maybe he deserves to be punnished- maybe he does not.
obey the Word wrote: --- By introducing an age parameter here John, are you implying the Lord was in error at this point? ---
By supporting striking an infant as a proper correction method, are you implying he understands why he is being disciplined? Perhaps if you would give an example of something a 2-week old infant might do that would require the rod to be applied, (to save him from hell, of course) it might help.
obey the Word wrote: 1. Reaction to chastisement does not require knowledge of moral standards. 2. By introducing an age parameter here John, are you implying the Lord was in error at this point? 3. So what you are suggesting here John is that "Truth" must pass the test of the sinners "common sense" to be acceptable to man? I notice you managed to "squeeze" the Holy Spirit into your statement. Was that a polite afterthought??
1. God warned Pharaoh before He sent the plagues, etc. God seems willing to warn people before He punishes them. Not sure that a two month old can be warned when they don't understand language. 2. "Child" could also mean a fetus. How about spanking the premature for crying or not eating their food. Parents have plenty of time to spank their children, what's the rush? 3. I should have stopped with the copying and pasting before that comment. I'll let Lurker explain himself there.