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THURSDAY, MAY 17, 2012  |  25 comments  |  1 commentary
Faculty Refuse to Sign 'Lifestyle Statement,' Resign From Christian University

Dozens of faculty and staff at a Georgian Christian academic institute are resigning over a statement from school officials in which employees must pledge to refrain from activities including drug use, alcohol, adultery, and homosexuality.

Known as the "personal lifestyle statement," around 50 members of the faculty and staff at Shorter University based in Rome, Ga., have chosen to resign rather than renew their contracts at the private school.

Dr. J. Robert White, executive director of the Georgia Baptist Convention, which Shorter is a part of, told The Christian Post that the "lifestyle statement" is consistent with the convention's position. ...


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News Item5/19/12 3:15 PM
prayer  Find all comments by prayer
Jim Lincoln wrote:
summary for, Prayer As Taught By Jesus
"I quote again from Martin Luther, this time from his comments on the Lord’s prayer directed to simple laymen:
"When thou prayest let thy words be few, but thy thoughts and affections many, and above all let them be profound. The less thou speakest the better thou prayest.... External and bodily prayer is that buzzing of the lips, that outside babble that is gone through without any attention, and which strikes the ears of men; but prayer in spirit and in truth is the inward desire, the motions, the sighs, which issue from the depths of the heart. The former is the prayer of hypocrites and of all who trust in themselves: the latter is the prayer of the children of God, who walk in His fear."
(From A.Pink on Fervent Prayer)
SermonAudio ~ Fervent Prayer. AWPink
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News Item5/19/12 2:29 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Webster's 1913 Dictionary wrote:
MANTRA:

Mantra /‖Man¬ītra/ (?), n. [Skr.] A prayer; an invocation; a religious formula; a charm. [India]...

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
Prayer is personal communication between God and man. Being such a significant and important part of the Christian life, Jesus taught His followers how to pray by giving them a pattern.

In that pattern there are six requests to be made with passion and urgency. Prayer to God must never become casual or made with complacency. He must always be approached on the basis of what He has already revealed. The first three petitions centered on God, His honor, and for His will to be done. The last three discussed in this message express our dependence on Him and request Him to supply our basic needs for the day. In so asking, we are acknowledging our understanding that He is the source of all we need and has control over all things. Jesus also taught that we are to ask of God for ongoing provision for our spiritual needs like cleansing and forgiveness. Lastly we must pray concerning the issues of testing's - ...that come along the course of daily life

summary for, Prayer As Taught By Jesus, Part 2
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News Item5/19/12 10:34 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
assistjim wrote:
Jim
If you do not repeat the Lord's prayer daily - When you get to the line...
"Give us this day our daily bread"
Do you then say, quote; - "Give us this day (and tuesday, thursday and saturday) our daily bread" - recounting the days which you do not use the Lord's prayer?

BTW - FYI; The TR was used by the Lord for centuries - unlike your text as cooked up by your Liberal Anglican popish sympathising brothers.

1. Great point! I hadn't ever thought of that; maybe I should begin praying the Lord's Prayer each and every day.

2. Correct!

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News Item5/18/12 3:33 PM
assistjim  Find all comments by assistjim
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Many have made a mantra out of the Lord's prayer. What did Jesus say about that?
Jim
If you do not repeat the Lord's prayer daily - When you get to the line...
"Give us this day our daily bread"

Do you then say, quote; - "Give us this day (and tuesday, thursday and saturday) our daily bread" - recounting the days which you do not use the Lord's prayer?

Where Jesus teaches, quote; "#use not vain repetitions,# as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."

#[From Βάττος Battos (a proverbial stammerer) and G3056; to stutter, that is, (by implication) to prate tediously: - use vain repetitions.
(Together with the negative 'may')]

What the Lord refers to here is immediately repeated stanzas again and again.

BTW - FYI; The TR was used by the Lord for centuries - unlike your text as cooked up by your Liberal Anglican popish sympathising brothers.

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News Item5/18/12 3:09 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
TR, you mean the manuscript done by Satan's henchman, Erasmus and the Textus Receptus...? However, if you read my comments, I was arguing against trying to replicate what Christ and the Apostles. Making a Nehushtan out of Bible versions, ceremonies, etc. This isn't what God wants. Many have made a mantra out of the Lord's prayer. What did Jesus say about that?

Matthew 6
7 "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition, as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
8 "Therefore do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need, before you ask Him.
9 "Pray, then, in this way:...---NASB

Is the way, Jesus started of the "Lord's Prayer" I think it's obvious he didn't want to make a Nehushtan

2 Kings 18
3 And he did right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father David had done.
4 He removed the high places and broke down the sacred pillars and cut down the Asherah. He also broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the sons of Israel burned incense to it; and it was called Nehushtan.---NASB

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News Item5/17/12 6:30 PM
Anthony Brown | St. Louis  Contact via emailFind all comments by Anthony Brown
WHY ARE WE DEBATING ABOUT ALCOHOL?! DONT U GET THE POINT?! May I remind everyone that we aren't having a massive amount of "alcaholics" getting "married" are we? Wake up! Attack me if u want to but just take a look outside...
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News Item5/17/12 5:15 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
busby -- if you step intentionally in front of a mack truck, likely will not be pretty -- same with the toxic attack we are participating in.... but as far as your testimony, preach on!
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News Item5/17/12 3:15 PM
busby  Find all comments by busby
jpw wrote:
keep your liver clean! avoid habit forming synthetic drugs that do not heal and destroy the liver! find natural remedies that heal when you can!
Or trust in God He will guide and save you!

_________________

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Oh, how do we replicate the wine used by Christ, strong enough to curl your toes or like a drop of wine in grape juice?
If you don't want the original manuscripts from 2000 years ago as per the TR, why should you require the original wine as per the original teaching?
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News Item5/17/12 3:12 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
http://www.amazon.com/Drinking-With-Calvin-Luther-History/dp/0970032609

keep your liver clean! avoid habit forming synthetic drugs that do not heal and destroy the liver! find natural remedies that heal when you can!

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News Item5/17/12 2:55 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, because it's symbolic so why use alcohol? No use getting anyone use to the taste of it. Considering moderation in drinking was at least supposed to be practiced by Jews, remember even what was said about Jesus?

Matthew 11
16 "But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the market places, who call out to the other children,
17 and say, 'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.'
18 "For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon!'
19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds."---NASB

Why give anyone cause to say anything bad about for this particular reason, but then of course they can say something bad about us for what they said about John the Baptist.

Of course Christ had a stronger faith, but the others I can't say, but they certainly were raised in a wine drinking culture, which many American Christians weren't.

Oh, how do we replicate the wine used by Christ, strong enough to curl your toes or like a drop of wine in grape juice?

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News Item5/17/12 2:43 PM
busby  Find all comments by busby
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Indian Hills Community Church uses grape juice in the Communion Service
Is that because you don't trust yourselves or because you don't trust the Lord?

Christ and the Apostles used wine, but I suppose they had a stronger faith.

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News Item5/17/12 2:42 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
we should also remember our pancreas while taking in lots of sugar with the kids.
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News Item5/17/12 2:39 PM
Accounting3  Find all comments by Accounting3
Uh...Gentlemen, I think it’s important to remember your liver, if not diseased, produces alcohol 24/7.
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News Item5/17/12 2:09 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Oh, by the way, Indian Hills Community Church uses grape juice in the Communion Service, and that is mentioned from time to time. Since it is a symbolic act and not a ...Sacrament...the change is acceptable.

There could be another reason to be against this oath,

James 5
12 But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath; but let your yes be yes, and your no, no; so that you may not fall under judgment.---NASB

People involved in these sins are probably more like to lie about them, then principled people who don't like oaths. It use to be popular to have people sign oaths they weren't Communists, but of course Communists never had any qualm about signing those oaths. Perhaps such oaths might be of more effect if the signer had to put money or some other guaranty that if had sworn falsely then he would lose those assets?

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News Item5/17/12 1:19 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
lots of sugar in the gut turns to alcohol in the body --- which is a more common way of enjoying alchohol in churches.
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News Item5/17/12 12:10 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
suicide wrote:
Personal Lifestyle Statement includes point four:
"I will not use alcoholic beverages in the presence of students, and I will abstain from serving, from using, and from advocating the use of alcoholic beverages in public (e.g. in locations that are open to use by the general public, including as some examples restaurants, concert venues, stadiums, and sports facilities) and in settings in which students are present or are likely to be present. I will not attend any University sponsored event in which I have consumed alcohol within the last six hours. Neither will I promote or encourage the use of alcohol."
Even most professors are smart enough to know that this is an unbiblical requirement binding men's consciences. After 140 years, why would Shorter commit suicide over this ridiculous statement on alcohol?
Instead, isn't it time to let your professors out of the closet so they may, at least, receive biblical communion in public, Shorter?
You know who should commit suicide? Obama should commit suicide to rid this nation of a madman. And is everybody Shorter at Shorter University then everybody else in the State of Georgia? That is a joke. Get it?
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News Item5/17/12 10:06 AM
McPost  Find all comments by McPost
"which employees must pledge to refrain from activities including drug use, alcohol, adultery, and homosexuality"

Wouldn't be simpler if they got their employees to sign a pledge to live a righteous and completely sinless lifestyle from then on? That way the pledge would be greater than that required of God.

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News Item5/17/12 9:39 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
MiChris wrote:
If your church used wine at communion, you'd be violating this statement.
To get around that obvious conflict, a local church here simply claims 'wine' isnt wine. They say Biblical wine is grape juice with zero alcohol content. While I understand the prohibition against drunkeness, its disingenuous to teach your congregation some 'reefer madness' type propaganda that Noah got drunk on grape juice.

Judges 9:13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?

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News Item5/17/12 9:00 AM
suicide  Find all comments by suicide
Personal Lifestyle Statement includes point four:

"I will not use alcoholic beverages in the presence of students, and I will abstain from serving, from using, and from advocating the use of alcoholic beverages in public (e.g. in locations that are open to use by the general public, including as some examples restaurants, concert venues, stadiums, and sports facilities) and in settings in which students are present or are likely to be present. I will not attend any University sponsored event in which I have consumed alcohol within the last six hours. Neither will I promote or encourage the use of alcohol."

Even most professors are smart enough to know that this is an unbiblical requirement binding men's consciences. After 140 years, why would Shorter commit suicide over this ridiculous statement on alcohol?

Instead, isn't it time to let your professors out of the closet so they may, at least, receive biblical communion in public, Shorter?

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News Item5/17/12 8:29 AM
MiChris | Michigan  Protected NameFind all comments by MiChris
adiaphora wrote:
I remember being pretty good at Sesame Street's "One of These Things" game. In this list: drug use, alcohol, adultery and homosexuality, "one of these things just doesn't belong."
I agree with the above - I decided to look up the actual statement. See: http://www.shorter.edu/about/personal_lifestyle_statement.pdf

It turns out it doesn't forbid alcohol for faculty and staff completely - it looks like they were trying to compromise and came up with what is essentially it's ok if you drink just don't let anyone see you or talk about it with students.

If your church used wine at communion, you'd be violating this statement.

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