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WEDNESDAY, MAY 16, 2012  |  27 comments
Catholic college drops health plan over contraception mandate
A small Catholic college in Ohio said Tuesday it was dropping health insurance coverage for students rather than comply with a federal mandate that the plan provide free birth control.

The Franciscan University of Steubenville "will not participate in a plan that requires us to violate the consistent teachings of the Catholic Church on the sacredness of human life," according to a bulletin to students posted on the university's website.

Not only will the university drop its own plan, but it will no longer require its undergraduates to carry insurance, the bulletin said. "We didn't want to put them in a situation where they would have to violate their conscience," said Michael Hernon, a vice president at Franciscan University. ...


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News Item5/19/12 10:31 AM
explicate  Find all comments by explicate
Mike wrote:
We aren't all socialist useful idiots, as hopefully we discover in November. You should never assume America is quite as portrayed by government media(ours or yours)

Does this mean you don't believe CNN, BBC and FOX???
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News Item5/18/12 6:58 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
explicate wrote:
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Government? Welcome to some real socialism. America is changing direction Mike. Big brother Liberalism crawls along the socialist conduit impressing the hoi polloi with flattery embelished policies and wins hearts and minds with ease. The people want free contraception, less kids! more fun! Obama and the Democrats are nice guys they take away all the nasty rules and promote the workers to decision makers. Then think for them.
The people are all poor now so they will need more government not less.
Why do you think they made them poor?
Someone wants contraceptives, they can buy them cheap at WalMart. We aren't all socialist useful idiots, as hopefully we discover in November. You should never assume America is quite as portrayed by government media(ours or yours)
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News Item5/18/12 6:22 PM
explicate  Find all comments by explicate
Mike wrote:
You need that thought to bolster your argument? Rather than question the location of my heart, criticize my argument that the issue is not the RC use of contraceptives, or what percent of them do or don't, but government forced purchase of stuff by those who don't want to buy it. You think this push will stop with RC's?
Just thought I'd ask!

Oh You mean this article??
I have been responding to the popish posts which have been trying to suggest that they are the perfect solution to societies various transgressions.
Government? Welcome to some real socialism. America is changing direction Mike. Big brother Liberalism crawls along the socialist conduit impressing the hoi polloi with flattery embelished policies and wins hearts and minds with ease. The people want free contraception, less kids! more fun! Obama and the Democrats are nice guys they take away all the nasty rules and promote the workers to decision makers. Then think for them.
The people are all poor now so they will need more government not less.
Why do you think they made them poor?

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News Item5/18/12 4:01 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
explicate wrote:

The point I have alluded to below is in response to the popish posts made below.
BTW is you heart still partly in the Vatican?
You need that thought to bolster your argument? Rather than question the location of my heart, criticize my argument that the issue is not the RC use of contraceptives, or what percent of them do or don't, but government forced purchase of stuff by those who don't want to buy it. You think this push will stop with RC's?
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News Item5/18/12 3:39 PM
explicate  Find all comments by explicate
Mike wrote:
Who cares? The issue is not who uses contraception, but whether someone else should be required by government to provide and pay for it against their principles. No one has an intrinsic right to that which belongs to another. This is not difficult.

The point I have alluded to below is in response to the popish posts made below.
BTW is you heart still partly in the Vatican?
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News Item5/18/12 3:33 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
explicate wrote:
"It's surely a fact that the Catholic Church's higher-ups don't want to hear, but it's one that the White House has heralded in his defense of the new (and today, amended) requirement for Catholic employers to offer insurance that covers contraceptives. "According to a study by the Guttmacher Institute, most women, including 98 percent of Catholic women, have used contraception," the White House's blog wrote last week. They were referring to an April 2011 report from the organization that describes its mission as to "advance sexual and reproductive health and rights." The 98 percent was among all Catholic women who have had sex and did not include "natural family planning," i.e. the only officiallly Church-sanctioned method of preventing pregnancies. That number is nearly indistiguishable from the reported 99 percent of all American women who say they have used contraception." (yahoo news)
Who cares? The issue is not who uses contraception, but whether someone else should be required by government to provide and pay for it against their principles. No one has an intrinsic right to that which belongs to another. This is not difficult.
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News Item5/18/12 3:05 PM
explicate  Find all comments by explicate
jpw wrote:
explicate -- please tell me what my plank is!!!
in me rejecting abortion and false teachings I wonder what the problem is!
You did not reject abortion/false teaching.

You criminalised all evangelicals and presumed all Roman priests are real Christians.

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News Item5/18/12 2:11 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
explicate -- please tell me what my plank is!!!

in me rejecting abortion and false teachings I wonder what the problem is!

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News Item5/18/12 12:46 PM
lost the bubble  Find all comments by lost the bubble
jpw wrote:
evangelicals stopping popping abortifacient pills and
RCC teach the true gospel (which is Christ, not the church).
If evangelical leaders teach the true gospel, why would they also continue "popping abortifacient pills" by the truck loads? Even pro-life atheists understand the ethical issues of abortifacients. That's the easy part. Understanding the true gospel, however, requires an additional gift of spiritual discernment.

Since almost no evangelical leader gets this mundane, but millenniums-old secular issue right anymore, how can anyone be so certain the vast majority of today's evangelical pastors are teaching the true gospel correctly, thus ensuring one's eternal security?

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News Item5/18/12 12:13 PM
explicate  Find all comments by explicate
arsenal wrote:
Liberal self-excommunicating Catholics have always supported and/or used abortifacients. They gave themselves over to their sins long ago.
Whereas, Roman Catholic Church bishops have always been against abortifacients
Aahh So the heirarchy of *celebate* bishops etc, all male of course, are not using contraception!!!

But the sinful female laity are.!!!

Yeah right!!

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News Item5/18/12 11:59 AM
arsenal  Find all comments by arsenal
Liberal self-excommunicating Catholics have always supported and/or used abortifacients. They gave themselves over to their sensual sins long ago.

Whereas, the Roman Catholic Church has always been against abortifacients.

The President is cleverly using this HHS Contraception Mandate to savagely devour the Roman Catholic Church's vocal chords speaking against Planned Parenthood's abortifacient arsenal.

Watch out when he comes to attack Evangelical churches after he's re-elected in November. How will all Christians fare when he reduces/eliminates deductions for charitable giving, taxes all church properties and assets, taxes pastors, requires full Planned Parenthood funding from tithes and offerings etc?

The Catholic Church is getting a major shiner this year. What's in store for 2013?

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News Item5/18/12 11:43 AM
explicate  Find all comments by explicate
jpw wrote:
popping abortifacient pills
Please remove your own plank jpw!!

Quote;
"It's surely a fact that the Catholic Church's higher-ups don't want to hear, but it's one that the White House has heralded in his defense of the new (and today, amended) requirement for Catholic employers to offer insurance that covers contraceptives. "According to a study by the Guttmacher Institute, most women, including 98 percent of Catholic women, have used contraception," the White House's blog wrote last week. They were referring to an April 2011 report from the organization that describes its mission as to "advance sexual and reproductive health and rights." The 98 percent was among all Catholic women who have had sex and did not include "natural family planning," i.e. the only officiallly Church-sanctioned method of preventing pregnancies. That number is nearly indistiguishable from the reported 99 percent of all American women who say they have used contraception." (yahoo news)

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News Item5/18/12 11:36 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
uuuuuuuuuhhhhh!

how bout the evangelicals stopping popping abortifacient pills and

RCC teach the true gospel (which is Christ, not the church).

I mean if you can't get the plank out of your own eye, why you trying to get the splinter out of _________ (insert other group's name here)?

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News Item5/18/12 11:18 AM
explicate  Find all comments by explicate
arsenal wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church does not support Planned Parenthood and their abortifacient arsenal
This may be the fanciful reverie of a bunch of celibate bishops but...

"According to a Hart Research poll, 71 percent of American voters, including 77 percent of Catholic women voters, support the benefit that health plans cover prescription birth control at no cost."

And!

"Pundits and bishops warn President Obama he could lose the white Catholic vote over requiring a contraception option for insurance plans. But Catholic women say they want birth control covered in employee health plans"
"•58% of all Catholics agree employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception. That slides down to 52% for Catholic voters, 50% for white Catholics." (usatoday.com)

Bishops in charge - Nuuuh!!
Women in charge - Yes!!

"Women are significantly more likely than men to agree that employers should be required to provide health care plans that cover contraception (62% vs. 47% respectively)."

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News Item5/18/12 8:51 AM
arsenal  Find all comments by arsenal
The Democrat party supports Planned Parenthood and their abortifacient arsenal.
The liberal news media supports Planned Parenthood and their abortifacient arsenal.
The Roman Catholic Church does not support Planned Parenthood and their abortifacient arsenal.

The Obama Administration and the liberal news media are not divided on this issue.
The Roman Catholic Church stands in opposition to these organizations on this issue.

explicate wrote:
Surely a house divided against itself will fall. Mk 3:24-26
The Democrats belong to Satan.
The Roman Catholics belong to Satan.
Therefore the information brought to us by Public Radio would not work against the servants of Satan, would they?
Quote
"Obama spoke recently at a Democratic fundraiser that was jointly organized by gay rights groups and Latino groups."
Quote
"Latinos, who are predominately Roman Catholic, agree with him in large numbers. In a survey conducted last year by the Pew Research Center, 59 percent of Latinos said homosexuality should be accepted by society"
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News Item5/18/12 7:34 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
explicate wrote:
Surely a house divided against itself will fall. Mk 3:24-26
The Democrats belong to Satan.
The Roman Catholics belong to Satan.
Therefore the information brought to us by Public Radio would not work against the servants of Satan, would they?
Quote
"Obama spoke recently at a Democratic fundraiser that was jointly organized by gay rights groups and Latino groups."
Quote
"Latinos, who are predominately Roman Catholic, agree with him in large numbers. In a survey conducted last year by the Pew Research Center, 59 percent of Latinos said homosexuality should be accepted by society"
Statements such as these aren't designed to work against the "servants of Satan." They say that the majority of Latinos are in favor of homosexuality. This is already suspect because it is from Public Radio International. It is unproveable nonsense. Such statements are meant to sway public attitudes and create suppot that isn't there. Thus the house of Obama is not divided against itself at all.
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News Item5/18/12 7:09 AM
explicate  Find all comments by explicate
Mike wrote:
You apparently see this as a RC thing? But the article is from Public Radio International, affiliated with BBC, New York Times, etc., so perhaps it would be better to see the conclusion as possible baloney?
Surely a house divided against itself will fall. Mk 3:24-26

The Democrats belong to Satan.
The Roman Catholics belong to Satan.
Therefore the information brought to us by Public Radio would not work against the servants of Satan, would they?

Quote
"Obama spoke recently at a Democratic fundraiser that was jointly organized by gay rights groups and Latino groups."

Quote
"Latinos, who are predominately Roman Catholic, agree with him in large numbers. In a survey conducted last year by the Pew Research Center, 59 percent of Latinos said homosexuality should be accepted by society"

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News Item5/17/12 4:33 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
explicate wrote:
"President Barack Obama's announcement that he supported same-sex marriage has mobilized Latino voters. A largely Roman Catholic group, Latino Americans actually support same-sex marriage in slightly higher numbers than the average American."
Obama's Roman Catholic support for homosexuality
You apparently see this as a RC thing? But the article is from Public Radio International, affiliated with BBC, New York Times, etc., so perhaps it would be better to see the conclusion as possible baloney?
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News Item5/17/12 4:22 PM
parable  Find all comments by parable
When a pastor falls on the abortifacient grenade, do you scramble out of your foxhole or bandage his wounds and call for medical help?
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News Item5/17/12 3:41 PM
explicate  Find all comments by explicate
parable wrote:
When a pastor falls on the abortifacient grenade do you scramble out or help bandage his wounds and call for medical help?
"President Barack Obama's announcement that he supported same-sex marriage has mobilized Latino voters. A largely Roman Catholic group, Latino Americans actually support same-sex marriage in slightly higher numbers than the average American."
Obama's Roman Catholic support for homosexuality
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