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FRIDAY, MAY 4, 2012  |  27 comments
One in seven thinks end of world is coming: poll
Nearly 15 percent of people worldwide believe the world will end during their lifetime and 10 percent think the Mayan calendar could signify it will happen in 2012, according to a new poll.

The end of the Mayan calendar, which spans about 5,125 years, on December 21, 2012 has sparked interpretations and suggestions that it marks the end of the world.

"Whether they think it will come to an end through the hands of God, or a natural disaster or a political event, whatever the reason, one in seven thinks the end of the world is coming," said Keren Gottfried, research manager at Ipsos Global Public Affairs which conducted the poll for Reuters. ...


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gherkin sarnie  Find all comments by gherkin sarnie
Mike wrote:
Yet that end won't literally arrive, for "alway" is longer than time allows. Otherwise, the Lord would be saying that after the end of the world that includes the element of time, he wouldn't be with them anymore.
Definitions:-

"alway" ~ G3956 ~ πᾶς ~ pas
"Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: - all (manner of, means) alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever."

Note "For Ever"
EG at Lord's Prayer...
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, **for ever.** Amen."

The *ever* part is Greek "aion" - (world?)
G165 αἰών aiōn
"From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550."

"Eternal" (aiōnios)at Mat 25:46 comes from the root word aion!!!

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News Item5/8/12 1:47 AM
Inter  Find all comments by Inter
John UK wrote:
2. I try never to eat sarnies, because of the wheat flour; it's better for making glue than food.
and then you really would be in a pickle.
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News Item5/7/12 4:40 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
gherkin sarnie wrote:
---
If Jesus had used "kosmos" - then 'end of the world' would mean somewhere on the horizon.
But here Matthew uses "aion" thus - 'end of the world' includes the element of time, viz till that end arrives.
Thus makes more sense.
Don't forget the Greeks back then used language and words differently to our more developed linguistics.
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Yet that end won't literally arrive, for "alway" is longer than time allows. Otherwise, the Lord would be saying that after the end of the world that includes the element of time, he wouldn't be with them anymore.
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News Item5/7/12 4:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
gherkin sarnie wrote:
1a. No!
Use of aion
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.(aion). Amen"
If Jesus had used "kosmos" - then 'end of the world' would mean somewhere on the horizon.
But here Matthew uses "aion" thus - 'end of the world' includes the element of time, viz till that end arrives.
Thus makes more sense.
Don't forget the Greeks back then used language and words differently to our more developed linguistics.
nb. Use of kosmos;
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world,(kosmos) and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Correct!
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News Item5/7/12 4:12 PM
gherkin sarnie  Find all comments by gherkin sarnie
John UK wrote:
1a. Are you saying that there are places in the Bible where the word "age" should be used rather then "world"?
1b. Which sounds better? It took me an age to finish that painting. Or, It took me a world to finish that painting.
2. I try never to eat sarnies, because of the wheat flour; it's better for making glue than food.
1a. No!

Use of aion
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.(aion). Amen"

If Jesus had used "kosmos" - then 'end of the world' would mean somewhere on the horizon.

But here Matthew uses "aion" thus - 'end of the world' includes the element of time, viz till that end arrives.
Thus makes more sense.

Don't forget the Greeks back then used language and words differently to our more developed linguistics.

nb. Use of kosmos;
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world,(kosmos) and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

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News Item5/7/12 3:26 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
gherkin sarnie wrote:
So "Kosmos" - No time dimension to it.
Whilst "aion" Does have a time dimension - therefore the term 'age' is relevant to its definition and usage. ok?
Now if you fail your Greek exam tomorrow I'll not share my sarnies with you.
1a. Are you saying that there are places in the Bible where the word "age" should be used rather then "world"?
1b. Which sounds better? It took me an age to finish that painting. Or, It took me a world to finish that painting.
2. I try never to eat sarnies, because of the wheat flour; it's better for making glue than food.
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News Item5/7/12 2:31 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
those who deny tribulation in the Christian's life, are missing some of the fundamentals of what it means to walk with Christ.
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News Item5/7/12 2:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Dwayne, look over the summaries and listen to the sermons, for what you find difficult to understand about the Book of Revelation, Revelation Series 2008.
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
A literal, grammatical, historical reading of the book of Revelation will result in having futuristic view of the events revealed. The details given to the apostle John in this revelation fill in details of Old Testament prophecies yet to be fulfilled. Blessings are promised to those who read, listen, and do what it says as they live with enlightened anticipation of what is to come.

The first section contains a glimpse of the glorified Christ among His churches. There is a series of messages to seven literal, earthly churches in existence at the time the revelation was given. What they are commended for and rebuked for reveals God's expectations of every church down through today....

excerpt of the summary for, An Overview of Revelation
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News Item5/7/12 12:38 PM
gherkin sarnie  Find all comments by gherkin sarnie
John UK wrote:
Now you're sure it's the end of the world? Or the end of yet another "age", going into a "new age"?
Oh dear John.
What am I going to do with you?

The word "world" in the NT

First word for world :-

"World" ~ G165 αἰών = aiōn;
"From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550."

Second Greek word for "world"

"World" ~ G2889 κόσμος *kosmos;*
Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.

So "Kosmos" - No time dimension to it.

Whilst "aion" Does have a time dimension - therefore the term 'age' is relevant to its definition and usage. ok?

Now if you fail your Greek exam tomorrow I'll not share my sarnies with you.

btw The end of the world is next tuesday quarter past three.

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News Item5/7/12 11:08 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
tribulation is a characteristic of the church. so is perseverance and the kingdom of heaven.
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News Item5/7/12 9:15 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Dwayne wrote:
People sometimes tell me not to be an "escapist" and I have even been told to become completly depend on God and not on money or anything like that because they think we should get ready for the time when we can't buy or sell. And a lot of people that I talk to are terrified of the dreaded 666. Yet all these people think that Jesus can come for the church today!

How can this be seeing as I have yet to see the mark of the beast??

Good question. See Rev 15-16.

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:

... and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled. (No man enters into God's presence until after His wrath is poured out.

Note what Jesus said before the 7th vial 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Why would Jesus say that if His people had already been "raptured"?

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News Item5/7/12 3:02 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
non floater wrote:
We are not left to speculate as to the proper meaning of this parable, for Jesus himself gave the interpretation. The “good seed”, the wheat, is sown by “the Son of man” — Jesus Christ. The tares, “the children of the wicked one”, are sown by the enemy — “the devil.” They are sown in the same field — “the world” where both grow together until the harvest. And when will this be? “The harvest is the END OF THE WORLD” (Verses 37-39)." (R.Woodrow)
Rapture???
Now you're sure it's the end of the world? Or the end of yet another "age", going into a "new age"?
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News Item5/7/12 1:26 AM
Dwayne  Find all comments by Dwayne
People sometimes tell me not to be an "escapist" and I have even been told to become completly depend on God and not on money or anything like that because they think we should get ready for the time when we can't buy or sell. And a lot of people that I talk to are terrified of the dreaded 666. Yet all these people think that Jesus can come for the church today!

How can this be seeing as I have yet to see the mark of the beast??

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News Item5/6/12 3:12 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
One should know about The Unscriptural Theologies Of Amillennialism And Postmillennialism. Also one should know about, Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 1, and Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 2. Looking towards the future, is given a good answer here, Futurism: The Third Foundation.

There is no question that the world will end,

2 Peter
5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water,
6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
7 But the present heavens and earth by His word are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.---NASB

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News Item5/5/12 4:47 PM
non floater  Find all comments by non floater
jodi wrote:
if you don't believe in the rapture
"Jesus spoke a parable about “a man which sowed good seed in his field” and while men slept “his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat.” When the crop had grown, the servants discovered what had happened. “So the servants of the householder came and said . . . Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn” (Mt. 13:24-30).

We are not left to speculate as to the proper meaning of this parable, for Jesus himself gave the interpretation. The “good seed”, the wheat, is sown by “the Son of man” — Jesus Christ. The tares, “the children of the wicked one”, are sown by the enemy — “the devil.” They are sown in the same field — “the world” where both grow together until the harvest. And when will this be? “The harvest is the END OF THE WORLD” (Verses 37-39)." (R.Woodrow)
Rapture???

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News Item5/5/12 4:11 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
non floater wrote:
According to this, how long will the church be in the world fulfilling this divine commission? The answer is that the church will remain in the world until the END of the age. Surely his promise to be with the church until the END of the age would be strange if it is his plan to remove the church seven years before that time! If, when the end of the age comes, the church would no longer be on earth, a promise such as this would be meaningless.
Your argument would be perfect if you accepted the KJV translation. But since you prefer "the age", it opens doors to different "ages", like the "church age", the "tribulation age", the "second coming age", and so on.
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News Item5/5/12 3:51 PM
non floater  Find all comments by non floater
jodi wrote:
if you don't believe in the rapture
"Instead of the church being taken out of the world, Jesus taught that it would remain in the world to accomplish a definite purpose: to preach the gospel. Jesus commissioned his disciples to “go . . . and teach all nations” and in connection with this commission he promised: “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the END of the world [aion - age]” (Mt. 28:19,20).

According to this, how long will the church be in the world fulfilling this divine commission? The answer is that the church will remain in the world until the END of the age. Surely his promise to be with the church until the END of the age would be strange if it is his plan to remove the church seven years before that time! If, when the end of the age comes, the church would no longer be on earth, a promise such as this would be meaningless.

Earlier in the book of Matthew, Jesus made it very clear that the righteous would not be separated from the wicked until the end of the age." (Ralph Woodrow)

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News Item5/5/12 2:31 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Dwayne wrote:
What do you think the tribulation is about? The rapture isn't about escaping hate. Part of the tribulation is God pouring out his wrath on mankind. As a Christian I don't see why God would pour out his wrath on me!
Misinformation, Dwayne.

The pouring out of God's wrath by the Son, whose been given authority to execute judgment (John 5:27), takes place at His coming (Luke 21:27) when the puchased possession, our mortal bodies (Rom 8:23), is redeemed (Eph 1:14) and quickened (Rom 8:11) to incorruptibility and immortality like unto Christ's (1 Cor 15:51-54) at the second resurrection (Dan 12:1-3, Dan 12:5-7 cf. Rev 10:5-7 cf. 1 Cor 15:52 and Rev 20:11-15).

The second resurrection puts and end to the tribulation and great tribulation of the second half marked by the abomination of desolation and the death of the two witnesses (Rev 11:7-11). one being the restrainer Paul spoke of (2 Thes 2:7-12).

Luk 21:27-28 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

The enemy scatters the sheep but Christ gathers them after the great tribulation when the great trumpet is blown (Mat 24:29-31).

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News Item5/5/12 12:41 AM
Dwayne  Find all comments by Dwayne
* what
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News Item5/5/12 12:41 AM
Dwayne  Find all comments by Dwayne
Jpw
What do you think the tribulation is about?
The rapture isn't about escaping hate. Part of the tribulation is God pouring out his wrath on mankind. As a Christian I don't see why God would pour out his wrath on me!
And yes I want to escape the tribulation because I never want to experience Gods wrath so that's why I focus on living right so that when that trumpet sounds I am outta here!!! Why a glorious day thT will be!
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