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SATURDAY, APR 28, 2012  |  14 comments
Thinking can undermine religious faith?
Scientists have revealed one of the reasons why some folks are less religious than others: They think more analytically, rather than going with their gut. And thinking analytically can cause religious belief to wane — for skeptics and true believers alike.

The study, published in Friday's edition of the journal Science, indicates that belief may be a more malleable feature of the human psyche than those of strong faith may think.

The cognitive origins of belief — and disbelief — traditionally haven't been explored with academic rigor, said lead author Will Gervais, a social psychologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada. ...


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News Item5/3/12 2:49 PM
tendo is  Find all comments by tendo is
ratus rebus wrote:
If these copyists were of evil intent, why didn't they spend these 1,000 years burning the few old and changing the new Bible texts to match the Church's doctrines on Mary, prayer to the saints, etc?
Oh c'mon thats an old trick.
The answer...
Because Satan is not that daft, he is far too subtle and insidious to be so obvious.

But you knew that didn't you.

Remember how he tricked Eve - 'Did God really say that?' (Gen 3)

If Satan had just changed the Word of God into the Roman Catholic bible 1000 years ago then sin wouldn't be sin today!! Would it? Idolatry would be legal, maryolatry would be valid, the blasphemous mass would be acceptable, even those rediculous relics would be 'bona fide'

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News Item5/3/12 11:49 AM
ratus rebus  Find all comments by ratus rebus
bonus consultum wrote:
This proved necessary because of the unBiblical practices and fallacious doctrines of the Roman Catholic heresy.
Roman Catholic teaching and convictions remain today as unBiblical as ever and therefore identify themselves as unChristian to the Bible believer.
For 1,000 years before the Reformation, 10,000s of Roman Catholic monks and priests, despite taking upwards of twenty years to produce a single manuscript, faithfully, prayerfully and lovingly hand-copied the Bible text. These men and their texts are so trusted that both the KJV and NAS/NIV streams lean on them for their translations.

If these copyists were of evil intent, why didn't they spend these 1,000 years burning the few old and changing the new Bible texts to match the Church's doctrines on Mary, prayer to the saints, etc? Why would the universal RCC emerge into a 16th c. technological world with a mechanically-printed Bible text which doesn't seem to perfectly undergird its doctrines?

If the text did perfectly align with the Church's teaching, after 2,000 years of experience, perhaps this would be even more suspicious.

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News Item5/3/12 11:24 AM
bonus consultum  Find all comments by bonus consultum
Ad Fontes wrote:
How can you pry Sola Fide free from this foundation without irreparably fracturing both it and its handmaid, Sola Scriptura?
God ordained the 16th century Reformation that the Real Church should emerge in sound doctrines according to God's Holy Word.

This proved necessary because of the unBiblical practices and fallacious doctrines of the Roman Catholic heresy.

Roman Catholic teaching and convictions remain today as unBiblical as ever and therefore identify themselves as unChristian to the Bible believer.

Sola Fide, part of the five Solas emerged in the God Ordained Reformation precisely because the Roman Catholic religion had added and taken away from God's Holy Word and Laws to fabricate their own unGodly unBiblical religious theories. In effect to invent their own worldly man-made Religion.

This is one of the reasons why the Roman Catholic system of religion is works based, instead of faith based. Thus they are in contravention to Christ, and the Apostles, teachings also.

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News Item5/3/12 10:53 AM
Ad Fontes  Find all comments by Ad Fontes
Though Sola Fide was coined by Martin Luther, he was in sync with these precepts: baptism for the remission of sin, private confession for the remission of sin and eating the body of the Lord in communion. How can you pry Sola Fide free from this foundation without irreparably fracturing both it and its handmaid, Sola Scriptura?

Benny16 wrote:
Justification;
The Roman Road.
"According to Rome, there are three main sacraments necessary for justification and ultimate salvation. These sacraments supposedly communicate grace to an individual and help to maintain him in a state of sanctifying grace. They are baptism, penance, and the eucharist/mass. Through baptism, an individual is brought into a state of regeneration and sanctifying grace. The guilt and punishment for original sin and for all sins committed up to the point of baptism are forgiven in the sacrament of baptism. Trent states that no one can be justified apart from the sacrament of penance (the confession of sin to a Roman Catholic priest...)" (William Webster)
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News Item5/3/12 10:41 AM
Benny16  Find all comments by Benny16
Justification;
The Roman Road.

"According to Rome, there are three main sacraments necessary for justification and ultimate salvation. These sacraments supposedly communicate grace to an individual and help to maintain him in a state of sanctifying grace. They are baptism, penance, and the eucharist/mass. Through baptism, an individual is brought into a state of regeneration and sanctifying grace. The guilt and punishment for original sin and for all sins committed up to the point of baptism are forgiven in the sacrament of baptism. However, sins committed after baptism must be dealt with through the sacraments of penance and the mass. This is especially true for mortal sin which is said to kill the spiritual life in the soul and cause the loss of sanctifying grace and, therefore, of justification. In order to regain the state of grace the individual must participate in the sacraments. As Ott stated, the atonement of Christ is not the exclusive cause of man’s redemption. Man must supplement the work of Christ for sins committed after baptism by partially atoning and expiating his own sin through penance. Trent states that no one can be justified apart from the sacrament of penance (the confession of sin to a Roman Catholic priest...)" (William Webster)

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News Item5/3/12 5:23 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
many definitions wrote:
Although this doesn't prove a certain definition of Justification. Put 5 Evangelical theologians in separate rooms and each will emerge with a different definition. Your personal proof will come on Judgment day.
1. If you were to believe the Bible, you would see that double-imputation occurs upon a genuine faith in Jesus Christ: my sin is imputed to the account of my Saviour and he pays the price for it; his righteousness is imputed to my account, and I enjoy the benefit of being perfect in God's sight and will be received into heaven.

2. Put a thousand Roman Catholic theologians into separate rooms and they will all come out with the wrong answer.

3. It will be too late for you then. But for all who repented of sin and trusted in Jesus Christ the Lord, and his finished and complete work, it will be a glory day. Judgment on sin, for God's elect, has already been meted out, on Calvary. God himself paid the price for his own justice, and died in the place of sinners as a vicarious sacrifice, lovingly redeeming a people for himself, to whom he applies redemption in his time, and in his way. This is NOT something you can attain to by effort.

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News Item5/2/12 6:58 PM
many definitions  Find all comments by many definitions
thinking wrote:
Justification Proved...
Although this doesn't prove a certain definition of Justification. Put 5 Evangelical theologians in separate rooms and each will emerge with a different definition. Your personal proof will come on Judgment day.
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News Item5/2/12 6:36 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
thinking wrote:
"Justification is not something that occurs in man, nor is it a process. It refers to the legal, judicial and forensic declaration of God. “It is to declare forensically that the demands of the law as a condition of life are fully satisfied with regard to a person, Acts 13:39; Rom. 5:1, 9; 8:30-33; I Cor. 6:11; Gal. 2:16; 3:11.”2 The ground of justification is Christ’s sacrificial death and perfect obedience to the law (i.e., “the righteousness of God,” Rom. 3:21). When a man by faith lays hold of Jesus Christ and His merits, God imputes that person’s guilt for sins past, present and future upon Christ on the cross. God also imputes Christ’s perfect righteousness to that sinner. The Father then declares that man righteous or just in the heavenly court. Because Christ has removed the guilt of that man’s sins past, present, and future legally before God, it is as though that man never committed sin. He is white as snow (Isa. 1:18). His record is perfect. Judicially, he is just as righteous and perfect as Jesus Christ. Since Christ’s perfect obedience is imputed to him, he has eternal life because Christ merited it for him." (B.Schwertley)
I'm glad to see this fellow gets some things spot on!

Good thinking!

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News Item5/1/12 5:38 PM
thinking  Find all comments by thinking
"Justification is not something that occurs in man, nor is it a process. It refers to the legal, judicial and forensic declaration of God. “It is to declare forensically that the demands of the law as a condition of life are fully satisfied with regard to a person, Acts 13:39; Rom. 5:1, 9; 8:30-33; I Cor. 6:11; Gal. 2:16; 3:11.”2 The ground of justification is Christ’s sacrificial death and perfect obedience to the law (i.e., “the righteousness of God,” Rom. 3:21). When a man by faith lays hold of Jesus Christ and His merits, God imputes that person’s guilt for sins past, present and future upon Christ on the cross. God also imputes Christ’s perfect righteousness to that sinner. The Father then declares that man righteous or just in the heavenly court. Because Christ has removed the guilt of that man’s sins past, present, and future legally before God, it is as though that man never committed sin. He is white as snow (Isa. 1:18). His record is perfect. Judicially, he is just as righteous and perfect as Jesus Christ. Since Christ’s perfect obedience is imputed to him, he has eternal life because Christ merited it for him." (B.Schwertley)

Justification Proved...

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News Item4/29/12 3:55 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Actually the lack of thinking can undermine faith, as a well-known speaker, pointed out during the week for the Nebraska convention of home schoolers that was held at my church this week, pointed out in his sermon this morning.
Indian Hills Community Church Newsletter wrote:
Welcome Mike Riddle We welcome Mike Riddle to the Indian Hills pulpit today. Mike is a full-time apologetics speaker with Answers in Genesis and is very much in demand as a creation speaker.
If you have the free time just go to our site and see him on the Internet, around 6:00 p.m. CDT
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News Item4/29/12 2:12 AM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Wharton wrote:
"Gut Think" yourself to salvation???
This is Roman Catholic religion isn't it?
Sounds more like the Mormons' "burning in the bosom" method of spiritual validation.

Can thinking undermine religious faith?

Perhaps, if you're thinking sinful or lustful thoughts, but I doubt if that's what the authors of this article (which I didn't bother to read) are getting at.

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News Item4/28/12 3:30 PM
Wharton  Find all comments by Wharton
"Scientists have revealed one of the reasons why some folks are less religious than others: They think more analytically, rather than going with their gut."

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"

"Gut Think" yourself to salvation???
This is Roman Catholic religion isn't it?

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News Item4/28/12 9:59 AM
me myself and I  Find all comments by me myself and I
2 chapter excerpt http://www.fbcweb.org/Doctrines/SURGECOSMOS.htm
from
I don't have enough Faith to be an Atheist

"Do you deny that science can account for everything?" challenged Atkins.

"Yes, I do deny that science can account for everything," said Craig.

"So what can’t it account for?" demanded Atkins.

A veteran of many debates, Craig was ready with a multifaceted answer. "I think there are a good number of things that cannot be scientifically proven but we are all rational to accept," he said. Craig then cited these five examples of rational beliefs that cannot be proven by science:

1. mathematics and logic (science can’t prove them because science presupposes them),

2. metaphysical truths (such as, there are minds that exist other than my own),

3. ethical judgments (you can’t prove by science that the Nazis were evil, because morality is not subject to the scientific method),

4. aesthetic judgments (the beautiful, like the good, cannot be scientifically proven), and, ironically

5. science itself (the belief that the scientific method discovers truth can’t be proven by the scientific method itself).
Buckley, the moderator,
cracked, "So put that in your pipe and smoke it!")

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News Item4/28/12 3:59 AM
Mark M. | The UAE  Contact via emailFind all comments by Mark M.
Interesting article. My problem is that if you believe in evolution then you won't be thinking analytically either. Eventually all belief systems come down to faith, even non-belief. As believers we believe in a creator who transcends our ability to understand or comprehend. He always was and always will be. He doesn't operate within the limitations of mortal men.

Evolution eventually breaks down because the further back you go, eventually you must say that something came from nothing via a natural means, and that can't happen. A major part of evolution is that matter can neither be created nor destroyed. Playing by their own rules they can't sustain this system of belief.

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