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SATURDAY, APR 7, 2012  |  8 comments
Praying for God to hurt someone is not illegal, judge rules
Is it okay to ask God to do harm to another person? The theology of such "imprecatory prayer" may be a matter of debate, but a Dallas judge has ruled it is legal, at least as long as no one is actually threatened or harmed.

District Court Judge Martin Hoffman on Monday dismissed a lawsuit brought by Mikey Weinstein against a former Navy chaplain who he said used "curse" prayers like those in Psalm 109 to incite others to harm the Jewish agnostic and founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation and his family.

Hoffman said there was no evidence that the prayers by Gordon Klingenschmitt, who had been endorsed for the Navy chaplaincy by the Dallas-based Chaplaincy of Full Gospel Churches, were connected to threats made against Weinstein and his family or damage done to his property. ...


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San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
It's OK to pray for God to convict and discipline someone who looks like they need it, but care must be taken to always regard the individual in question as if it were YOU. I wouldn't expect any sane person to ever want to curse themselves but most Christians I know want God's guidance in their lives--and that as gentle, suffering-free, and merciful as possible. According to His will.
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News Item4/9/12 12:36 PM
whence  Find all comments by whence
San Jose John wrote:
It really isn't practical to curse anyone (which scripture prohibits anyway in Romans 12:14) because we ultimately don't know who God will save (bless by convicting them and drawing them to himself) or not save (curse by leaving them in their sin). So we HAVE to love and pray for EVERYONE seeking God's grace to do so.
Jer 14:10 Thus saith the LORD unto this people, Thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore the LORD doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins.

11 Then said the LORD unto me, Pray not for this people for their good.

12 When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and an oblation, I will not accept them: but I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence.

2John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

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News Item4/9/12 12:26 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
It really isn't practical to curse anyone (which scripture prohibits anyway in Romans 12:14) because we ultimately don't know who God will save (bless by convicting them and drawing them to himself) or not save (curse by leaving them in their sin). So we HAVE to love and pray for EVERYONE seeking God's grace to do so.
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News Item4/8/12 11:18 PM
OP | wisconsin  Find all comments by OP
Jesus. The Son of God, says to love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you....Rd. Matt 5:44
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News Item4/7/12 4:20 PM
ChrisMax  Find all comments by ChrisMax
God wrote the Scriptures.

Therefore God wrote...
Psalm 58:6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.
7 Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.
8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
9 Before your pots can feel the thorns, he shall take them away as with a whirlwind, both living, and in his wrath.
10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

Jesus said...
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matt 5.

God wrote also
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Romans 1.

What do you think "wrath" means?

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News Item4/7/12 3:43 PM
Elijah | Seattle  Find all comments by Elijah
I guess all those imprecatory prayers of David in Psalms weren't "christian"... but the messianic prophecies in Psalms were "christian"...?

Who is to say...?

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News Item4/7/12 3:12 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Imprecatory prayer, may be illegal--but it isn't Christian.
That almost makes sense, Jim.
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News Item4/7/12 2:51 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Luke 23
33 And when they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left.
34 But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves.---NASB

Imprecatory prayer, may be illegal--but it isn't Christian.

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