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THURSDAY, APR 5, 2012  |  17 comments
Mine union boss: Coal industry could suffer same fate as bin Laden

The coal industry will suffer the same fate as Osama bin Laden under new climate regulations proposed by the Environmental Protection Agency, the head of the United Mine Workers of America said this week.

“The Navy SEALs shot Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan and Lisa Jackson shot us in Washington,” Cecil Roberts, president of the powerful union, said during an interview Tuesday on the West Virginia radio show MetroNews Talkline.

Roberts blasted Jackson, the EPA administrator, over the proposed regulations, which would limit greenhouse gas emissions from new power plants. Opponents of the regulations, including Roberts, say the new rules would be the death knell of the coal industry. ...


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News Item4/7/12 4:14 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Mike wrote:
GM was bailed out to transfer power over the company to the government and the auto workers union.
Going even deeper into this idea...if the desk-crats bring government into a company, but they themselves are future or prior owners in that industry, and are being lobbied by interests in the industry, what you have is an amazing web or merging of corporation and government. The transfer of power and idea is representing people to representing corporations, which is a few. As Romney said, corporations are people.

Now, what exactly do we call a system where the government and corporation merge?

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News Item4/7/12 3:46 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Mike wrote:
So much for govt. run auto business.
Mike, of course I agree, but realize that radical pragmatists think the ends justify the means; GM is making money now & jobs were saved; therefore, the bailout was OK. I think that lawless mindset is VERY deeply rooted in our culture, churches not excepted, & has been for some time. Principles only matter when they are perceived to cost nothing.

Harry Truman exemplified this when he abandoned his Progressive anti-trust investigation against Big Oil when he realized it had a foreign-policy downside re Iran.

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News Item4/7/12 3:39 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, gentlemen, the government action also saved the other GM models, you know like Corvettes--which are the very opposite of a Volt. ,
You wouldn't have the Chevy Cruz for instance. Your money at work via the government.
I'm more impressed by Ford, with an increase in sales of 3 vehicles, without government prop up money, than GM, with an increase in sales of 2 with it, one of them the Silverado, which never had a sales problem, and did fine w/o govt. handout. So you are left with one GM vehicle making an impression, the Cruze, and that's number 10 on the top 10 list. So much for govt. run auto business.
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News Item4/7/12 3:24 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
San Jose John wrote:
Funny thing about the Volt (as well as the Nissan Leaf) is that it is touted as a "zero-emissions" vehicle
Car tech is getting so diversified these days. The Volt is only zero-emission IF driving does not require its gas engine. The all-electric range is something like 30 mi, too short for my round-trip commute. All said though, an excellent effort. But then, so was the Citroën SM, a marvelous but very impractical car.

The cost of Volt ownership vs. conventional cars is very poor for most drivers, so the lukewarm market response is unsurprising. Even regular hybrids like the Prius are dubious on this point; I could not justify its cost in my spreadsheet trade study. But maybe it works for high-mileage drivers.

While the “evil” Seven Sisters predominated thru the '60s, gas was 30¢/gal, which works out to around $2 today. If that was cartel profiteering, it didn't seem to bother anyone back then besides Reds who naturally couldn't give capitalists credit for anything.

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News Item4/7/12 2:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, gentlemen, the government action also saved the other GM models, you know like Corvettes--which are the very opposite of a Volt. , q.v.,The Best-Selling Cars of 2011.

You wouldn't have the Chevy Cruz for instance. Your money at work via the government.

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News Item4/6/12 7:07 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Mike wrote:
...the Volt, the car no one wants (and would be dead if it were not subsidized) could be promoted in order to save the planet from the Ford F150, which people do want and are willing to pay for.
Funny thing about the Volt (as well as the Nissan Leaf) is that it is touted as a "zero-emissions" vehicle--even sporting stickers that say so--even though the owner most likely charges it from an electrical outlet at home or elsewhere that is supplied by coal-burning electricity plants (!).
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News Item4/6/12 6:56 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike of NY, the do-nothing attitude other Republicans would only make the recession worse. Unfortunately one of the best ways of curing a recession (depression), is to limit the number of consumer goods, increase working hours, and take a large portion of your young men and send them out of the country for several years, you know, like a world war. the Great Depression in Japan had much less effect on its people because of the paternalistic nature of their industry. American industry hasn't been very paternalistic since the 19th century and is even much, much less so than it was even in the 1930s. The bailout of General Motors shows that government action can help.
GM was bailed out to transfer power over the company to the government and the auto workers union. It was bailed out so the Volt, the car no one wants (and would be dead if it were not subsidized) could be promoted in order to save the planet from the Ford F150, which people do want and are willing to pay for. At any rate, why should any private company be bailed out with the money of others? You defend the indefensible. No American bones left?

PS FDR, like BHO, prolonged the Depression by not getting out of the way. It took a war to end it.

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News Item4/6/12 6:53 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike of NY, the do-nothing attitude other Republicans would only make the recession worse
Depends on what you mean by "worse". Sometimes things need to get "worse" before they can get better. Sometimes allowing businesses to fail rather than bailing them out forces them to restructure themselves (via bankruptcy) so they can become better in the long run. You sound like you want to avoid pain, which is noble, but not if pain is inevitable (either now or later).

Read some Thomas Sowell. I've found he does a fantastic job of explaining stuff like this that you and I are now trying to get our heads around.

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News Item4/6/12 2:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike of NY, the do-nothing attitude other Republicans would only make the recession worse. Unfortunately one of the best ways of curing a recession (depression), is to limit the number of consumer goods, increase working hours, and take a large portion of your young men and send them out of the country for several years, you know, like a world war. the Great Depression in Japan had much less effect on its people because of the paternalistic nature of their industry. American industry hasn't been very paternalistic since the 19th century and is even much, much less so than it was even in the 1930s. The bailout of General Motors shows that government action can help.
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News Item4/6/12 2:18 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
But, Mike and John, Obama still has done much more than any President for 30 years before him. Pres. Obama, no doubt wants an economic recovery, and he isn't going to see fuel prices be they of coal or oil to rise to a significant amount--at least before the November election. He has proved much less of an idiotlogue, then many Republicans, for example.
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Amazing how consistent you are Jim. But your guy does not want an economic recovery, else he would get himself out of the way. But we should give him the benefit of the doubt, and conclude he just can't help what his ideology has wrought.

And it was perhaps a bit of humor on your part, to say "he isn't going to see fuel prices....rise to a significant amount...before the November election" when they have pretty much doubled during his term. Besides, Jim, you know how it was when prices rose during Bush,that it was all about his oil buddies, and Halliburton, bla bla bla. Funny we don't hear such things now. But like I say, at least you're consistent, however historically forgetful.

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News Item4/6/12 2:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
But, Mike and John, Obama still has done much more than any President for 30 years before him. Pres. Obama, no doubt wants an economic recovery, and he isn't going to see fuel prices be they of coal or oil to rise to a significant amount--at least before the November election. He has proved much less of an idiotlogue, then many Republicans, for example.

jpw, there are many false conspiracies such as those surrounding 9/11, 9/11 conspiracy theories Or a more general commentary, Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From.

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News Item4/5/12 11:48 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
folks, this is more Agenda 21 coming your way. better look it up and get informed.

world depopulation and resource consolidation.

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News Item4/5/12 7:07 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
If I remember right, Obama also said he wanted the price of oil to "skyrocket" in hopes of improving the relative economic viability of the green alternative energy efforts of his constituents.

If Obama really wants to be a nuke-power hero in my book, first thing he should do is try to fast track Yucca Mountain and/or undo Carter-administration policies prohibiting recycling of nuke material. He won't because doing so would alienate a significant portion of his environmentalist voting base.

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News Item4/5/12 5:46 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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First of all, I am not against coal plants, fact I am more against foreign dependency on oil. This is also the reason I support nuclear power, which Pres. Obama has done than the several presidents before him.
I've heard the president make speeches to that effect. Of course nuke plants being so expensive to build, the only way he can support them is with federal loan guarantees of billions. Money that is non-existent in Washington. (not that it matters if you have access to printing presses)
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News Item4/5/12 2:19 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Not the Dr., I really don't know how either that great president named Lincoln, or this, "Jim" fellow by location, either of us could be at fault for how West Virginians vote. In fact I would think that, not only West Virginia's but a very famous Nebraskan, Warren Buffett, (You know of,… 'Buffett Rule' tax Fame)whose Berkshire Hathaway company owns Burlington Northern railway. It not only ships a lot of the coal that is used in power plants, but if memory serves it also has control of some coal mines as well. This will hit Warren in the pocket. There'll be quite a few people of any political persuasion that will be unhappy about putting too much restriction on coal burning plants.

First of all, I am not against coal plants, fact I am more against foreign dependency on oil. This is also the reason I support nuclear power, which Pres. Obama has done than the several presidents before him.

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News Item4/5/12 7:41 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
While running for president in 2008, Obama said this:

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

Not much veiling of the the threat here, is there?

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News Item4/5/12 6:23 AM
Not the Dr. | West Virginia  Find all comments by Not the Dr.
West Virginians will continue to vote for the democrats while they take away their money, morality and their jobs. If the governor had any guts he’d padlock the doors on the EPA in Charleston Monday morning and surround the building with the West Virginia National Guard and dare anybody to try to go in.
The bottom line is that union coal miners will vote for democrats even if it kills them.
This all started with Lincoln {not you Jim}
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