Justices on the U.S. Supreme Court, caught up in the high-profile Obamacare arguments that started today, have refused to intervene in a case where deputies threatened parents with the forced removal of their children unless they agreed to let social workers, who did not have a warrant or probable case, search their home.
The stunning conclusion came in a lawsuit brought on behalf of John and Tiffany Loudermilk, who sued officials after a confrontation at their Maricopa County, Ariz., home in 2005.
A district court judge ruled a reasonable person would believe the Loudermilks’ decision to allow social workers to search their home was coerced, in violation of the 4th Amendment, but the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the search was proper.
The case may not be finished yet, as the opinion from the 9th Circuit was unpublished, which means that it is not binding on future cases. Also, when...
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It's a pity that not all parents aren't perfect, in fact it's a problem that some are abusive. I have already pointed out I don't like officials crashing into homes. Perhaps this url will be to your liking, Kenny? Spanking Laws. I'm sure legislators would like to have input on the topic of child abuse, what is and isn't--well at least they should anyway.
jpw wrote: If I go to the largest evangelical conventions website right now, I will find moralists advocating for globalist politicians....
there is no shortage of right wing libertarian moralist freaks on sermonaudio advocating their own form of a social gospel and aspiring to some sort of new jerusalem in the USA completely divorced from biblical reality.
Thomas Jefferson fan wrote: "When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people there is liberty."
Unbiblical. Evildoers are people. They need to fear the government. The government is God's minister and does not bear the sword in vain.
Law and order and strong government is a blessing. When people do not fear the government you have lawlessness, bloody treason and rebellion. If you want weak government to give you liberty move to Somalia!
If I go to the largest evangelical conventions website right now, I will find moralists advocating for globalist politicians. If I talk to my dispensational friends, of which I have many, they will tell me that hiring child soldiers in Syria and supporting AQ in Libya is for the good of Israel and God smiles on it.
I talk to non-Christians and they see how this all fits together. So to say that as a group evangelicals (who send their representatives to counsel presidents) have no influence is not true!
The good Germans had to be forced to clean up concentration camps to 'get' that their reich was carnal.
And so I am convinced that until the older generation, who stood strong through the wave of liberalism, turns off the propoganda news on tv and starts looking at real footage, they will just get the deer-in-the headlights look when they hear that someone in America is (whisper) persecuted.
jpw wrote: The experiment of America was lost when through fear those with freedom were willing to give it away.
Your point is well taken but I don't remember having a voice in the decision to implement the Patriot Act or any such act which erodes rights which, according to the constitution, belongs to the people.
I would rather say that our freedoms are gradually being taken away without so much as a unified peep from the people. Sort of reminds me of the Assyrian which God sent against His hypocritical people, Israel....
Isa 10:13-14 For he saith, By the strength of my hand I have done [it], and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant [man]: And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs [that are] left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.
jpw, I'm not at all shocked that these intrusions COULD happen. I'm shocked that anybody with half a brain would suggest that it's OK for them TO happen.
GW Bush and both sides of the congressional aisle declared war on personal liberty and the Bill of Rights via their 'homeland security' nonsense and the American people stepped right into it.
But for otherwise reasonable people to accept the idea that some government entity can be allowed unwarranted access to an individual's home or children is unfathomable. Some of these folks on SA seem to think it's just to be expected! I disagree and anybody who's attempted an even cursory reading of the Constitution should understand why. Where on earth does anybody get the idea that some government agent can get into any citizen's home or personal business without a VERY good reason (and a warrant)?
We homeschool our son because of religious and moral reasons. The proof is in the test scores. Homeschooling works public schools don't. It's all about the money and power.
kenny, I hope you are dramatizing shock. There are people on the internet hired to advocate for these positions. In a free country these things would not happen. And that is the point. Are evangelicals afraid to accept the reality of today? A whole new entity was formed 10 years ago to end the way of life that was known before. The bllfrhgts replaced with surveilling to keep out the boogey man. For the life of me, I cannot understand why the democratic leadership is solely blamed when it was under Rep leadership that the new matrix was created.
This is how globalism works. Propoganda, dividing the people into interest groups that fight with each other for position, and the advance of corporatism. What is lost is individual freedoms, free market mom and pop places.
Bottom line is that the system, and the financial interests of that system are protected at all cost.
The experiment of America was lost when through fear those with freedom were willing to give it away. And it continues to be eroded away by those waiting for somoene in leadership to tell them what color the sky is today.
kenny wrote: Where do any of you get the idea that any US government entity or agent has a smidgen of unbridled freedom to intrude into my or ANY citizen's opportunity to live as they please within the parameters of our system of law?
Through the HHS Contraception Mandate, the Obama Administration is even now having its way with the Church. Do you think he won't try to go all the way if given another chance?
Never and that's the point. They have not and should not ever. The truth is, it shouldn't even be a consideration in a free country governed by the rule of law.
Isn't that assuming an imaginary negative? Are we to assume that the government has an obligation to enter anyone's home at any time and inspect for 'buggery, bestiality, mormon and muslim polygamy and all manner of evil'? How can it not repulse you to dare suggest living in that kind of police state tyranny? What kind of world must you live in to even suggest that level of government intrusion? Are you aware of the freedoms and rights outlined in our Constitution and Bill of Rights as American citzens? (Assuming Nimfy is an American.) Where do any of you get the idea that any US government entity or agent has a smidgen of unbridled freedom to intrude into my or ANY citizen's opportunity to live as they please within the parameters of our system of law? At what point would you allow the intrusion to end? What you are advocating is facsism.
kenny wrote: it is absolutely none of the government's business whatsoever what goes on in my home or anyone else's home unless there is reason to believe the law is being broken or someone is in physical danger.
And on that basis buggery, bestiality, mormon and muslim polygamy and all manner of evil are advocated.
Now the following, has to do with elders of the church, but of course everyone is supposed to have the qualifications of an elder, correct?
Titus 1 7 For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, 8 but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled,---NASB
I would think homeschoolers would be more open than I would be or some others. Did I heard something on this order? Anti-government 'sovereign movement' on the rise and America. I will say one thing in Nebraska, this wouldn't happen, first the person would be politely talk to--and refused to respond will get a military type assault on him.
kenny wrote: This is unbelievable. What some of you (Lincoln, Homeschooler, Dirk Yoder) are advocating are nothing short of gestapo tactics. This is America - it is absolutely none of the government's business whatsoever what goes on in my home or anyone else's home unless there is reason to believe the law is being broken or someone is in physical danger. No government entity or agent should have access without a court issued warrant. How on earth can you justify them entering otherwise? Why is it ANY of their business? I've known hundreds if not thousands of homeschooling families thru the years and I can't ever remember any of them ever breaking the law or anyone being intentionally injured. The government schools are where you find metal detectors and roaming police officers, not my living room. If you want the governement to run your life & raise your kids, send them to their schools.
What some of you (Lincoln, Homeschooler, Dirk Yoder) are advocating are nothing short of gestapo tactics. This is America - it is absolutely none of the government's business whatsoever what goes on in my home or anyone else's home unless there is reason to believe the law is being broken or someone is in physical danger. No government entity or agent should have access without a court issued warrant. How on earth can you justify them entering otherwise? Why is it ANY of their business?
I've known hundreds if not thousands of homeschooling families thru the years and I can't ever remember any of them ever breaking the law or anyone being intentionally injured.
The government schools are where you find metal detectors and roaming police officers, not my living room. If you want the governement to run your life & raise your kids, send them to their schools.
Jim Lincoln wrote: --- What do these people have to hide, that a government agent would have to have a warrant to see what was going on?
Are you for real? The burden is on the accuser to show probable cause.(Anonymous tips are not probable cause) But I forget, the left wants a nation of men, not of law. Unreasonable search and seizure be hanged, we got a tip.
Ah yes, what excellent examples to their children some of these homeschoolers would be.
James 3 17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. 18 And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.---NASB
It might not occur to some of these people that some of the social workers are at least nominal Christians or could be interested in Christianity, until they see the behavior of so-called Christians?
What do these people have to hide, that a government agent would have to have a warrant to see what was going on?
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