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FRIDAY, MAR 23, 2012  |  23 comments
Gay marriage isn’t a human right, says European Court
The European Court of Human Rights has reiterated its ruling that same-sex marriage is not a human right that can be found within the Convention.

The Court made the ruling in 2010 but reiterated its decision last week in a separate case involving a lesbian couple from France.

The Strasbourg-based Court’s original decision on same-sex marriage came after a homosexual couple asked the Court to reinterpret Article 12 of the European Convention on Human Rights.


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News Item3/23/12 6:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
didact wrote:
No!
The elect are justified by the righteousness of Christ.
Apparently, publicans go to their home justified when they cry out, "God be merciful to me a sinner!"

Luke 18:9-14
9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

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News Item3/23/12 6:12 PM
didact  Find all comments by didact
Mike wrote:
Justified by election?
No!

The elect are justified by the righteousness of Christ.

The Arminian philosophy is different though! As John confirms below.

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News Item3/23/12 5:04 PM
wondering  Find all comments by wondering
Grace wrote:
"13For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."
-Romans 2:13
The "doers of the law shall be" __________ ?
"In order for men, who are sinners, to have eternal life the guilt and penalty of sin must be removed. In addition, men must have a perfect and perpetual record of obedience to God’s law. When these two things are accomplished men can be justified or declared righteous before God."

Can you remove the guilt and penalty of sin? Can you keep the law perfectly in thought, word and deed "constantly, without the least failure in matter or manner of obedience, such shall live in them and by them; the language of the law is, do this and live; because this is what God commands?" If so then you will be justified. If not then what?

Didact "Only the elect of God are justified"

Mike "Justified by election?"

He didn’t say justified by election, he said the elect are justified which they are and anyone reading the post should be charitable and give him the benefit of the doubt that he means the elect of God are justified by faith.

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News Item3/23/12 5:03 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Justified by election?
Maybe it's a New Age philosophy, where the word "faith" is changed to "election". It's a bit like when I say "banana", I often change it to bandanna. Oh, and spanner becomes spaniard, and screwdriver becomes screwpot etc.
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News Item3/23/12 4:49 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
didact wrote:
Only the elect of God are justified.
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Justified by election?
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News Item3/23/12 4:36 PM
didact  Find all comments by didact
Grace wrote:
If the Arminians and RCC are wrong, then when they point to this crystal clear verse as evidence for their justification, why wouldn't God let them into His Heaven?
Only the elect of God are justified.
And only by the imputed righteousness of Christ.
NOT by any claim of the evil hearted sinners which comprise the whole of mankind.

Sermon on SermonAudio:-
Justification. By Imputed Righteousness.

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

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News Item3/23/12 4:30 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
NOTbyworks wrote:
Yet again you err towards the heresy of Arminianism. The papal antichrists "salvation by works" philosophy.
Only the Arminian/RCC seeks sinner contributions to salvation.
Ahhhhhh ..... that's better! I was beginning to feel loved.

Grace wrote:
If the Arminians and RCC are wrong, then when they point to this crystal clear verse as evidence for their justification, why wouldn't God let them into His Heaven?
If you are a doer of the law, you will certainly be welcomed into heaven as the only human born of Adam who accomplished it.
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News Item3/23/12 4:11 PM
Grace  Find all comments by Grace
NOTbyworks wrote:
The papal antichrists "salvation by works" philosophy.
Only the Arminian/RCC seeks sinner contributions to salvation.
"13For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."

-Romans 2:13

The "doers of the law shall be" __________ ?

If Arminians and RCC are wrong, then when they point to this crystal clear verse as evidence for doing the law to be justified, why wouldn't God let them into His Heaven? The Covenant setting isn't that of a courtroom but a family room. When dad tells his children to clean their rooms and take out the trash, he means it. God means it, too.

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News Item3/23/12 3:59 PM
NOTbyworks  Find all comments by NOTbyworks
John UK wrote:
1) The call of Christ does not require indwelling of the Spirit:
2) Matthew 4:17-22
3) The voice of Christ can reach anywhere.
4) The one who is adamant that God has decided to save sinners without reference to their will nor to their thinking nor to repentance nor to believing on Christ
1) You are disagreeing with Jesus AND the plan and purpose of God. ~ John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth (1) WITH you, and shall be (2) IN you.
(1) "with" you. ~
(2) IS DIFFERENT FROM **IN** YOU!
# = **IN** you is indwelling as opposed to "with" you which is not.

2) Matt 4 - IS BEFORE glorification and Pentecost. Check your Bible!

3) We are discussing the indwelling of the Spirit - NOT the earthly work of Christ.

4) God saves the elect without their cooperation or acquiescence. GOD DOES NOT NEED PERMISSION TO SAVE. As Christ states He came to save sinners - under the dominion of sin, who at that time are spiritually blind.
Yet again you err towards the heresy of Arminianism. The papal antichrists "salvation by works" philosophy.

Only the Arminian/RCC seeks sinner contributions to salvation.

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News Item3/23/12 2:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, not all non-Christians, Marquis de Sade. They themselves are through the teachings of their parents they have come to realize parts of natural revelation.
ISBE wrote:
Revelation…

These two species or stages of revelation have been commonly distinguished from one another by the distinctive names of natural and supernatural revelation, or general and special revelation, or natural and soteriological revelation. Each of these modes of discriminating them has its particular fitness and describes a real difference between the two in nature, reach or purpose. The one is communicated through the media of natural phenomena, occurring in the course of nature or of history; the other implies an intervention in the natural course of things and is not merely in source but in mode supernatural. The one is addressed generally to all intelligent creatures, and is therefore accessible to all men; the other is addressed to a special class of sinners, to whom God would make known His salvation.…
and a sermon which somewhat covers that material, God Has Spoken Clearly.
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News Item3/23/12 1:40 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
But you were talking about nature as perceived outside of revelation before, not the Biblical take on human nature as you are now. But yes, such pagans *are* following their unregenerate natures, rebelling against God, like Marquis de Sade.
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News Item3/23/12 1:32 PM
Grace  Find all comments by Grace
Neil wrote:
Contrary to what Aquinas taught, there is no such thing as Natural Law.
The Bible speaks to this:

"13For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14(For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)"

-Romans 2:13-15

These pagans even have the "work of the law written in their hearts."

Though they don't have the Book of God but do it, they're reading and following the Book of Nature.

Amazing grace His!

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News Item3/23/12 12:58 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
EU wrote:
Natural Law is clear, even for the EU, that "Gay marriage isn’t a human right."
Contrary to what Aquinas taught, there is no such thing as Natural Law. It does not logically follow that what is, what ought to be. This is a good thing, since Nature under the Curse is “red in tooth & claw;” for example, males often kill their young.

Marriage is Biblically heterosexual, which is the only sound reason why gay marriage is perverse & absurd.

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News Item3/23/12 12:23 PM
No Rights  Find all comments by No Rights
At least this European Court isn't engaged in gay orgies. Yet.

Once all married couples are doing it and nothing's coming out, eventually everyone will do it with anyone just for the thrill of it.

Love the one you're with.

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News Item3/23/12 12:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
The call of Christ does not require indwelling of the Spirit:

Matthew 4:17-22
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
18 And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
20 And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.
21 And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.
22 And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.

The voice of Christ can reach anywhere. His healing power depended not on proximity, but on his omnipotence and omnipresence.

The one who is adamant that God has decided to save sinners without reference to their will nor to their thinking nor to repentance nor to believing on Christ, is a lone voice without suppport, either biblically or from other believers.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved (justified, adopted, sealed, filled with the Spirit, glorified).

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News Item3/23/12 11:49 AM
Curious  Find all comments by Curious
NOTbyworks wrote:
In the plan purpose and foreknowledge of God re the elect - once the "unpardoned" is indwelt he becomes pardoned.
Seaton, you're fast becoming the Joke of SA. You clearly have no knowledge of doctrinal matters. These things are just too hard for you. Just give up already, pleeeeeease!
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News Item3/23/12 10:12 AM
EU  Find all comments by EU
Natural Law is clear, even for the EU, that "Gay marriage isn’t a human right."

No other species reproduces via homosexual copulation.

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News Item3/23/12 9:05 AM
NOTbyworks  Find all comments by NOTbyworks
Mike wrote:
but the Spirit does not indwell the unpardoned.
In the plan purpose and foreknowledge of God re the elect - once the "unpardoned" is indwelt he becomes pardoned.
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News Item3/23/12 8:39 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Curious wrote:
Mike you've got the wrong Gay marriage thread!
True enough, Curious. Which gay marriage thread works better, the human right one, or the driven by elites one? I figure NBW's happy marriage to his theological position kind of offsets my blunder.
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News Item3/23/12 8:04 AM
Curious  Find all comments by Curious
Mike wrote:
You would have an unbeliever indwelt before faith, but..
...
Mike you've got the wrong Gay marriage thread!
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