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TUESDAY, MAR 20, 2012  |  27 comments  |  1 commentary
Jimmy Carter Study Bible on Homosexuality: 'Jesus Never Said Word About It'

Jimmy Carter served as the 39th president of the United States, founded the Carter Center and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. President Carter is also a Sunday School teacher and has followed that avocation since his earliest years. In this interview, HuffPost's Senior Religion Editor Paul Brandeis Raushenbush spoke to President Carter by phone about the hardest questions presented in the Bible: from gays, science, the role of women, slavery passages and more. The former president offered answers to each of them with the insights and spiritual wisdom he has included in his latest book: "NIV Lessons from Life Bible: Personal Reflections with Jimmy Carter."

Q: A lot of people point to the Bible for reasons why gay people should not be in the church, or accepted in any way.

A: Homosexuality was well known in the ancient world, well before Christ was born and Jesus never said a word about ...


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News Item3/24/12 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The Romish Church will last as long as Satan does, since it is his church. The Romish church is not same as it has always been, List of Heresies and Human Traditions Adopted and Perpetuated by the Roman Catholic Church in the Course of 1600 Years. or a shorter version, The Church of Rome Steps Into Apostasy.
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News Item3/23/12 10:53 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Leaven wrote:
"3. We [evangelicals] church-shop, seeking to meet our needs rather than serving the church ... Church-switching is pernicious ... As you survey church after church, each doing things their own way, ask yourself, which of these church institutions will still be present and viable in 50 years? Or 100 years? Or 1,000? Evangelicals often look askance at Catholics, but which of our churches has even lasted since the Reformation? We cannot build institutions when our focus is on building the self."
-David French, ACLJ Senior Counsel and PCA member,
* Anglicans, who separated from the RCC, ordain 1st openly-gay Bishop Gene Robinson (November 2, 2003).
Denom. Status: Deceased.
* Church of Scotland (AKA Presbyterians), Calvin's brainchild, ordains openly-gay minister (May 23, 2009).
Denom. Status: Deceased.
* Lutherans, who started the Reformation, ordain openly-gay priest (August 21, 2009).
Denom. Status: Deceased.
Evangelicals often look askance at Catholics, but which of our churches has even lasted since the Reformation?
Truth stands regardless how long it is fought. As for the denoms failing, it's called winnowing, and it is a good thing.

Again, it will be the few that find their way into the Kingdom, not the many.

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News Item3/23/12 9:06 PM
Leaven  Find all comments by Leaven
"3. We [evangelicals] church-shop, seeking to meet our needs rather than serving the church ... Church-switching is pernicious ... As you survey church after church, each doing things their own way, ask yourself, which of these church institutions will still be present and viable in 50 years? Or 100 years? Or 1,000? Evangelicals often look askance at Catholics, but which of our churches has even lasted since the Reformation? We cannot build institutions when our focus is on building the self."

-David French, ACLJ Senior Counsel and PCA member, "Evangelicals’ Collapsing Cultural Influence"

* Anglicans, who separated from the RCC, ordain 1st openly-gay Bishop Gene Robinson (November 2, 2003).
Denom. Status: Deceased.

* Church of Scotland (AKA Presbyterians), Calvin's brainchild, ordains openly-gay minister (May 23, 2009).
Denom. Status: Deceased.

* Lutherans, who started the Reformation, ordain openly-gay priest (August 21, 2009).
Denom. Status: Deceased.

Evangelicals often look askance at Catholics, but which of our churches has even lasted since the Reformation?

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News Item3/23/12 8:24 PM
Nancy | Orlando  Find all comments by Nancy
Thank you everyone with your comments... I was pulling my hair out reading this article. This man is truly lost. Matthew 7:20. Mr. Carter, examine yourself, sir.
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News Item3/21/12 3:26 PM
now for reality  Find all comments by now for reality
Puritan wrote:
Once a homosexual ties the knot, he's no longer "fornicating" but married. Thus, his condition would no longer appear on Jesus' list.
Marriage is only authentic according to God and His law. God does not sanction sin, abomination or sick perversion.

And Jesus wrote the Bible as God did.
As Jesus himself has stated...
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

The OT states that homosexuality is an abomination. Lev 18.

Abomination
H8441
תּעבה תּועבה
tô‛êbah tô‛êbah
properly something disgusting (morally), that is, (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: - abominable (custom, thing), abomination.

God will never 'marry' this satanic and morally disgusting unnatural practice.

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News Item3/21/12 3:12 PM
Puritan  Find all comments by Puritan
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Some versions of the Bible use the terms, "sexual immorality," for, "fortification."
Once a loving homosexual ties the knot, he's no longer "fornicating" but married. Thus, his situation would no longer appear on Jesus' lists throughout the Bible.
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News Item3/21/12 3:11 PM
from the Author  Find all comments by from the Author
Jesus wrote the Bible!

And it states

OT
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

NT
Rom 1:18 For THE WRATH OF GOD is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness .......
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 FOR THIS CAUSE God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that WHICH IS AGAINST NATURE:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another...."

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News Item3/21/12 3:00 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
The Matt 15 passage also mentions "evil thoughts", which would certainly include homosexual ones as well even though not specifically mentioned here.
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News Item3/21/12 2:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
If you follow down the list of Strong's definitions, it will finally lead you to for fortification:
Strong's Concordance wrote:
4205 pornos por'-nos from pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of 4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine):--fornicator, whoremonger. see GREEK for 4097
Some versions of the Bible use the terms, "sexual immorality," for, "fortification." I think that Homosexuality could be covered in that verse uttered by Jesus.

But if that verse doesn't satisfy what you think Christ thought of homosexuality then there are these:

Mark 10

6 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE.
7 "FOR THIS CAUSE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER,
8 AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; consequently they are no longer two, but one flesh.
9 "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."---NASB

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News Item3/21/12 12:44 PM
Puritan  Find all comments by Puritan
DogTags wrote:
Jesus did say homosexuality defiles a man in Matthew 15:19-20.
Matthew 15:19-20
King James Version (KJV)
19For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Jesus mentioned fornication, but not homosexuality directly.

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News Item3/21/12 12:32 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
DogTags wrote:
The late Francis Schaeffer once said that liberal theology is nothing but secular humanism in religious terms. The liberal theologian will always side with the secular humanist on any issue.
Carter's words betray him as a secular humanist.
Good observations.

Robert Bork in his book Slouching Toward Gomorrah noted that so-called "moral capital" tends to linger for a generation or two within even the unsaved descendants of truly saved parents/grandparents, making it look like the child is also faithful, until they "fall away" later in life.

This could very well be the case with Jimmy Carter as well.

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News Item3/20/12 11:11 PM
DogTags | Alaska  Contact via emailFind all comments by DogTags
The late Francis Schaeffer once said that liberal theology is nothing but secular humanism in religious terms. The liberal theologian will always side with the secular humanist on any issue.

Carter's words betray him as a secular humanist. He does not believe in the authenticity and authority of scripture. Carter denies the sovereignty of God and his ability to preserve his Word. He fails to see God's authorship in his Word.

But, the most foolish thing he said was that Jesus never said anything about homosexuality.

First, just because it is not in the "red letters" does not mean Jesus didn't say it. Jesus, as God, breathed all scripture.

Second, Jesus did say homosexuality defiles a man in Matthew 15:19-20.

See http://americancreed.wordpress.com/2011/08/28/an-a.. An Argument from the Red Letters

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News Item3/20/12 7:15 PM
johe64 | Arizona  Find all comments by johe64
J.C. : "God inspired the Bible, but didn't write every word" God didn't write any of it, but He inspired ALL of it. J.C. also has the "billions of years" lie as well. The very latest scientific research is beginning to prove a very young Earth. The Bible does not discriminate against women; it delineates leadership roles in the Church. Interviewer: "A lot of people point to the Bible for reasons why gay people should not be in the church, or accepted in any way." The question is flawed. The questioner obviously has no clue at all about how we are to treat people of every kind. Of course we welcome them into the Church. God through the preaching of the Word and by the conviction of the Holy Spirit will change a person's heart. We never accept as correct or condone the abhorent behavior of any person. It will happen in God's timing. We will pray for and love all people and leave the changing up to God, but if a person remains unchanged, then we have issues. While it is true that we are not called to judge people, we ARE called to discern, especially those who claim to be Believers. Then, if there is sin, the Bible has very clear direction for discipline, that most Churches today are not following. All in all, I found this to be a very sad interview and disappointing.
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News Item3/20/12 4:27 PM
OP | wisconsin  Find all comments by OP
Pres Carter is very mixed up. Very sad.
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News Item3/20/12 3:03 PM
Reload  Find all comments by Reload
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I don't know the quality the rest of this site, but this particular article is very good. Carter’s Ignorant Theology
Good article Jim.
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News Item3/20/12 2:15 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Jimmy Carter wrote:
"most disturbing" reason he and his wife decided to disassociate themselves from the Southern Baptist Convention was the elimination of language in June that identifies Jesus Christ as "the criterion by which the Bible is to be interpreted." excerpt from, Jimmy Carter leaving the Southern Baptist Convention
Jesus Christ said,
Matthew 5
17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished.---NASB

I see Mr. Carter is one of those people who think Jesus taught a different religion than what is in the rest of the New Testament. I don't know the quality the rest of this site, but this particular article is very good. Carter’s Ignorant Theology

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News Item3/20/12 12:44 PM
Christ is my Lord | California  Find all comments by Christ is my Lord
Exactly Tisnotwell, I wish he would carry out his own logic and see how terribly wrong he is. If Jesus didn't condemn it, it doesn't mean our freedom! What is sin to him anyway...?
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News Item3/20/12 11:44 AM
Tisnotwell  Find all comments by Tisnotwell
Why? Jesus did not condemn beastiality either. So let's go legalise it! And then we can legalise all drugs and I'm pretty sure that we can find other fiendish things to legalise. We are only bounded by our imaginations if we can legalise what Jesus did not personally condemn!
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News Item3/20/12 11:41 AM
David1960  Find all comments by David1960
I think the problem with Jimmy is his Biblical understanding.He seems to think that when Christ was born is when He came into existence.

John chapter 1 states that; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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News Item3/20/12 11:28 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"Homosexuality was well known in the ancient world, well before Christ was born and Jesus never said a word about homosexuality. In all of his teachings about multiple things -– he never said that gay people should be condemned. I personally think it is very fine for gay people to be married in civil ceremonies."

Poor Jimmy. Doing his best to fulfill prophecy.

1 Timothy 4:1
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

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