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Choice News THURSDAY, MAR 8, 2012  |  23 comments
Franklin Graham would ‘break the law’: takes aim at HHS mandate

Franklin Graham has said if the government passes an edict forcing him to hire employees who do not share his Christian outlook, he will “break the law.”

In an interview with NewsMax senior editor David Patten in February, Graham said, “What I’m concerned about as a faith-based organization is that I’m going to be forced to hire people that are not of my faith, or don’t have the same values that I have.”

Graham worried the parachurch organizations with which he is affiliated, Samaritan’s Purse and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, will someday be compelled to hire people who do not share their faith. ...

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spm | florida  Find all comments by spm
The solution is simple, Franklin!Remember the golden rule! He that giveth the gold maketh the rules.

When you stop stuffing your pockets with the government faith based funding then you can say NO. Render to Caesar what is Caesars. Render to God what is Gods. Problem is some think that Caesar is God. Some men signed a 501 c.. did not want to pay taxes..lose money so they did not remember to teach Act_5:29 . These would prefer to let men think those midwives Exo_1:18 were guilty of not obeying Romans 13.

Anyway.. It does not take a discerning clinician...Dimmmy Dimwit could wander into the church of America on the Lords day and he could quickly perceive the odd scent.. His fathers flock is being force fed Obamas marriage and family initiative and countless other faith based massively funded government programs covered over by a very thin veneer of the gospel.

Should a person enter a mental health clinic , even if that PAGAN clinic and it be run by the most wicked, sodomites in Sodom... the patron entering mental health will be made aware he will is taking part in a government funded program.

The Christian walking into a church Lords day morning will not be given the same right to this information.


News Item3/8/12 5:35 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Complexities wrote:
If your wife is starting to have life-threatening complications during her home birth, and there were two nearby equally-capable large hospitals, one county and one Roman Catholic, which hospital would you drive her to?
Whichever one has the best reputation for dealing with "complications" of this nature, such reputation having been determined during the pregnancy.

News Item3/8/12 5:22 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
My objection is to "Complexities" is, he brings up a hard case as a justification for out-of-scope church activities. It may be that some Catholic hospitals provide excellent care; however, God did not call His church to set up hospitals & charities; He called it to teach, edify, reprove, etc., the saints.

In spite of this, antidoctrinal, anti-intellectual modern churches, esp. Rome, prefer to ignore this in favor of non-doctrinal social activism.

During the Middle Ages, the RCC did almost everything conceivable except teach sound doctrine. Yet modern Medievalists long for these supposed "good old days."


News Item3/8/12 4:47 PM
simplicity  Find all comments by simplicity
Complexities wrote:
If your wife is starting to have life-threatening complications during her home birth, and there were two nearby equally-capable large hospitals, one county and one Roman Catholic, which hospital would you drive her to?
Roman Catholic works based religion affects every part of their thinking. Here he seems desperate to promote the papist works ethics within society. Thus it becomes not only salvation by church and works - But also obey the Vatican in all its social outlets or else!!

How sad that these poor blind sinners are dominated by the all too human concept and the all too human precept. But then as we observe in the RCC the blind guide leads the blind.


News Item3/8/12 2:46 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Franklin seems to be hollaring before he is hurt, perhaps, he just hasn't been getting the publicity he wants?

Matthew 6
34 "Therefore do not be anxious for tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.---NASB


News Item3/8/12 2:01 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Complexities wrote:
If your wife is starting to have life-threatening complications during her home birth, and there were two nearby equally-capable large hospitals, one county and one Roman Catholic, which hospital would you drive her to?
Irrelevant; try again.

News Item3/8/12 1:58 PM
Complexities  Find all comments by Complexities
If your wife is starting to have life-threatening complications during her home birth, and there were two nearby equally-capable large hospitals, one county and one Roman Catholic, which hospital would you drive her to?

News Item3/8/12 1:06 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Luther wrote:
"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust,…
How does that apply to what I posted? I don't think he was speaking to tax-exempt organizations. Actually, these laws were unconstitutional anyway (vs. 14th Amendment), so it was those who formulated them who disregarded public policy, for almost a century by then.

Though it must be said, King got his ideas for civil disobedience (as opposed to religious disobedience) from Ghandi, not Scripture. There is no Biblical precedent for overt church participation in political disputes, and there was a lot wrong with Ancient Rome here.


News Item3/8/12 12:59 PM
Luther  Find all comments by Luther
"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

News Item3/8/12 12:49 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
And I must add something else: any US organization claiming tax-exempt status (as I suspect most churches & parachurches do) is DUTY BOUND to conform to public policy, whatever that may be. So if public policy demands access to abortion or birth control, no group declaring this status is at liberty to defy it.

God requires men to keep their vows; therefore, they should not make an open-ended vow, esp. to a secular entity, as tax-exemption requires. It is an UNEQUAL YOKE. Furthermore, there is no legal requirement that churches must do this. Unfortunatly, this means the church must adhere more to the "low-overhead" Scriptural pattern, which few seem to like these days.

"…your group (or organization) may not qualify for treatment as an exempt religious organization for tax purposes if its actions, as contrasted with its beliefs, are contrary to well established and clearly defined public policy."

From Tax Exempt Status (IRS)


News Item3/8/12 12:39 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Where in the New Testament is there ANY ordinance or precedent for Christians to operate “faith-based” organizations like these?
There is no precedent, Neil. I am fully with you on this. Parachurch organisations, no matter what good they do, are not part of the new covenant blueprint.

News Item3/8/12 12:05 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Treatment wrote:
When an Amish child's skull is crushed under a falling limb, they reach out the "English" (non-Amish) medical community to save her…
Not an answer to my question, & it also begs the question, in assuming that a hospital must be expressly “Christian” in such cases. All you really showed is that Amish evidently don't like entering the medical profession. And a Christian may be a doctor w/o necessarily declaring his practice to be “faith-based.”

And I don't care what Rome does; she is not my authority, esp. when she does gymnastics with Scripture. Jesus was not giving the organized church the green light to establish massive welfare bureaucracies; it was simply an injunction to practice personal charity. Notice that the NT church corporately supported only the Christian poor in Jerusalem (Rom. 15:26), not all the poor there. And it was done under the umbrella of the organized church.


News Item3/8/12 11:59 AM
Treatment  Find all comments by Treatment
When an Amish child's face is crushed under a falling limb, her family reaches out to the "English" (non-Amish) medical community to save her. The Amish have no "parachurch" organization to help their afflicted and dying.

In the Catholic ("love thy neighbor") model all parishes, schools, hospitals, universities, colleges and social services are ultimately under the Roman Bishop's umbrella. They're all parts of one Church, limbs of one Body.

Thus, it wouldn't be surprising that one of these 400 impacted US Catholic hospitals would gladly treat this little girl's neurological & facial issues and ask for only a fraction of the total cost of services in return. Jesus taught this expert of the law to “Go and do likewise” for others as the Samaritan did for the "half dead" man. The Roman Catholic Church takes Jesus at His word.

Therefore, these ecclesiologies would obviously respond to this HHS Contraception Mandate in different ways.

Note: When your insurance and tax dollars flow into a non-Catholic hospital those dollars go to promote the culture of death. Any non-Catholic hospital --- at a minimum --- gives out abortifacient pills by the handfuls. Most will happily and efficiently abort your baby.

Would a Christian hospital ever be party to such evil?


News Item3/8/12 11:30 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Where in the New Testament is there ANY ordinance or precedent for Christians to operate “faith-based” organizations like these? The synonym “parachurch” itself is a red flag.

Samaritan's Purse uses a Parable (Luke 10:30-37) as a pretext to establish a big international welfare charity.


News Item3/8/12 10:37 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Hey Presby

Here's a real DIY works salvationist to play with.


News Item3/8/12 10:30 AM
Pelvic Politics  Find all comments by Pelvic Politics
If Graham were one of the 160-plus Bishops also speaking out against the HSS Contraception Mandate, his understanding of this demon would be so clear that wavering would be unthinkable.

In an evil day, faith alone leads scores of even high-profile Reformed preachers to assume the fetal position, crouching under the pretense of sola Scriptura.


News Item3/8/12 9:02 AM
John for Jesus | usa  Find all comments by John for Jesus
Erik Penland wrote:
I applaud Franklin Graham for making the stands that he does. To many lilly livered pipsqeeks EXPECT A RETRACTION AND AN APOLOGY????? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!
"Not the Dr." is making reference to Franklin Graham recently coming out with a bold statement against President Obama only to retract after some prominent black religious leaders got hold of him. The article is still on the SA website if you want to take a look at it.

News Item3/8/12 9:02 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
The best way for companies to avoid paying out benefits for employees is for them to not have any employees but to only utilize workers from temporary agencies. That way the company would not have to pay out wages or benefits. The only thing the company would have to do is pay the temporary agency for utilizing their temporary workers. Why does any company want to have employees on their payroll when they can use workers from temporary agencies and avoid paying salary and benefits?

News Item3/8/12 8:09 AM
Erik Penland | Asheville, NC  Contact via emailFind all comments by Erik Penland
Oops sorry got to long winded anyway Brother Graham, if I can EVER be of help please call on me. I would love to get to know you and spend some time gleening from your Biblical knowledge. Call me I live near by and if this is being read by an associate of Rev. Graham please pass on my comments and my number! Thanks for all that you do for our Lord. Erik Penland 478 696 6221 cell

News Item3/8/12 7:58 AM
Erik Penland | Asheville, NC  Contact via emailFind all comments by Erik Penland
I applaud Franklin Graham for making the stands that he does. To many lilly livered pipsqeeks EXPECT A RETRACTION AND AN APOLOGY????? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!! The reason this country is going to hell in a hand basket is because of people like the one demanding the apology and retraction. As Christians we are not supposed to go out and make everyone all warm and fuzzy inside, but to go and tell of Gods love for all and also of His coming wrath and judgement for those who fail to accept Christ and follow His commands. Because our government feels it necessary to be politically correct on everything doesnt mean that the church should follow suit. Why my friend do you feel that Rev. Graham should apologize for this remark?????? I suppose you feel that the locoal Baptist church should also be handing out birth control before prom night like the high schools do? ??? Its a shame that so many folks get their dander up about the seperation of church and state, but they sure dont mind the state telling a religious organization that they must provide insurance to cover abortions and such and I to can see in the not to distant future the government mandating that an organization such as Samaritians Purse HAVING to hire someone with different beliefs such as witches or musliems. Ma
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