Michelle Obama Visits Fla. Megachurch; Urges Religious Groups to Fight Obesity
First lady Michelle Obama Saturday visited the Florida megachurch where one of President Obama's spiritual advisers is the pastor. She encouraged faith-based groups to join her campaign against obesity, saying "your bodies are temples given to you by God."
"Sometimes folks won't do it if it wasn't said right here," she said, speaking to about 3,000 people from more than 120 congregations and organizations, representing over 15 faiths and denominations, at Northland, A Church Distributed in central Florida....
Jim Lincoln wrote: --- A reminder, Mike of NY, when two people are married they become one, (except perhaps of Newt Gingrich ) So you're getting a package deal. I have yet to see any American politician on the Presidential level, consider themselves purely a servant. Perhaps a few Democrats--and fewer Republican ones--may have had an inkling of that idea, but I doubt that. The "‚Ä¶a very physically fit‚Ä¶" Mrs. Obama should make a very good speaker about a case against obesity. Do I think it is proper for a Christian church to be highlighting political speakers, No. You should've asked me if I even thought that was a proper church, and of course I don't. The sermon,
I didn't call them servants for their sake, but for yours. Your thinking American presidents are rulers rather than presiders reveals a lack of understanding of how this particular Republic was legally established. But you go ahead and bow to those you consider rulers. They like their obese egos stroked.
Why, OP, you read some mine message, but as I would like to point out:
1 Corinthians 9 9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.---NASB
Self-indulgence is a sin that will lead to the eternal fires of hell, also.
A reminder, Mike of NY, when two people are married they become one, (except perhaps of Newt Gingrich ) So you're getting a package deal. I have yet to see any American politician on the Presidential level, consider themselves purely a servant. Perhaps a few Democrats--and fewer Republican ones--may have had an inkling of that idea, but I doubt that.
The "‚Ä¶a very physically fit‚Ä¶" Mrs. Obama should make a very good speaker about a case against obesity. Do I think it is proper for a Christian church to be highlighting political speakers, No. You should've asked me if I even thought that was a proper church, and of course I don't. The sermon, The Church and Social Responsibility[/UR
A reminder: Neither Barack, nor Michelle are rulers, though they might consider themselves the ruling class, rather than the serving class their titles entitle them to.
I also noticed something. Though the First Lady was speechmaking at a church meeting, there was a notable absence of your usual "dabbling in politics" comments. Somehow I think you would have included such, if the visiting notable to a church to make a speech happened to be a Republican.
Neil, if it was her policy stances and perhaps the rating of sins (and perhaps she doesn't rate some things as sin that should be, ) I would have little difficulty with your statement.
San Jose John, I appreciate your observation and of course there are better verses that even contain the word gluttony, e.g.
Proverb 23 21 For the heavy drinker and the glutton will come to poverty, And drowsiness will clothe a man with rags. Titus 1 10 For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach, for the sake of sordid gain. 12 One of themselves, a prophet of their own, said, "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons."---NASB
It seems many have pet sins they find convenient to attack, e.g. homosexuality, and there is no argument from a Christian that it is a sin. Just that some people seem to forget that, 1 Corinthians 6:9‚Äď10. I'm sure the apostle Paul was just enumerating some of the more famous sins at that, and any un-dealt with sin will lead to eternal damnation.
Maybe it's just me, but I think Michelle Obama visited the church in Florida for two related reasons, neither of which has to do with food.
1) Her husband needs the votes of those they perceive as Christian. That's why both she and hubby are quoting the Bible lately. That it's misquoting is not the point. After the election, if hubby wins, they won't be visiting these churches again.
2) Her husband needs the Florida electoral vote, Florida being the 4th most populous State in the country.
After this, perhaps there is a mild concern over obese temples, and what food enters therein.
Jim, what sort of teaching are *you* receiving that results in such inability to understand? Two can play this silly psychologizing game of yours.
I'm complaining about policy hypocrisy, not her opinions about overeating.
Unsubstantiated (and peurile) character attacks against any person are sinful regardless of their social status. I have no problem with sober criticism of his, or a sitting President's, conduct, so long as it is in accordance with Biblical justice. But your posts are tabloid-type rumor-mongering, suspiciously similar to Democratic propaganda.
""The National Baptist Convention is aiming to have health ambassadors at all of their nearly 10,000 churches by September," she added. "And some of their churches have already created "no fry" zones in their congregations.""
Obesity is caused by man's science in food production.
The solution is not in dietary manipulations it will take a societal mind set change to correct the problem which clearly does not affect everybody.
Looking back at old photographs and movies we note that this did not seem to be a problem pre 1950's. Before the days when science interfered with food stuffs.
Gentlemen, I am beginning to wonder if some of you have been exposed to pastors who are well grounded in the Bible? But since many of you think that, "going it alone," is the way to go I assume that you use good study materials such as the Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary? You should anyway.
JFB Commentary wrote: Proverbs 23:1:
¬† ¬† ¬†1. Avoid the dangers of gluttony.
I will pay much more attention to these gentlemen's ideas then to yours on this particular verse.
Now, Neil, I avoid attacking sitting rulers as prescribed in the New Testament. However, if you want to attack Ex-President George W. Bush and his Banana War In Iraq, by all means have at it. in fact Romney should have thought about this before he went after Baby Bush's endorsement. Almost like the kiss of death.
I think Jim is provoked by even the mildest criticism of the Obama Admin.
Your ability to misunderstand/misrepresent me knows no bounds, Jim: her warnings (BTW hilariously irrelevant to Prov. 23:1) aren't in dispute here; that the government (in the person of the 1st Lady) is denouncing what it supports elsewhere via subsidy, is.
And since you bring it up, gasohol shouldn't be subsidized either; it is another example of political stupidity & misallocation of resources; energy independence is a Red Herring unless we erect a disastrous tariff barrier again.
BTW if all sugar is bad for you, then what about John the Baptist, who ate honey? But I suppose Jim knows best.
Jim Lincoln wrote: There was nothing wrong with her warnings, in fact it is biblical. Proverbs 23:1 When you sit down to dine with a ruler, Consider carefully what is before you; 2 And put a knife to your throat, If you are a man of great appetite. 3 Do not desire his delicacies, For it is deceptive food.---NASB Yes, sugar of almost any type is bad for you--it is better to put it into your car as gasohol. (hence the government sponsorship of supporting corn/maize production) Q.v., Sugar Is Harmful as Alcohol and Cigarettes!
But the passage you used is better reserved for Christians who might otherwise be naive enough to think that "help" from any kind of benefactor does not come with strings attached. Reminds me of the trouble the Catholic church is in now, trying to push away unwanted government influence (the whole free birth-control thing) because they previously accepted government help in the past. Or when Abraham refused to take anything from the King of Sodom, lest he say "I have made Abraham great!".
Abraham knew the lesson of Provers 23:1. Catholic church, at least in this case, did not.
There was nothing wrong with her warnings, in fact it is biblical.
Proverbs 23:1 When you sit down to dine with a ruler, Consider carefully what is before you; 2 And put a knife to your throat, If you are a man of great appetite. 3 Do not desire his delicacies, For it is deceptive food.---NASB
Yes, sugar of almost any type is bad for you--it is better to put it into your car as gasohol. (hence the government sponsorship of supporting corn/maize production) Q.v., Sugar Is Harmful as Alcohol and Cigarettes!
The Dept. of Agr. spends billions subsidizing maize (corn) production, way more than any other farm commodity. This is the basis for cheap corn sweeteners (which have to a large extent displaced tropical cane sugar), a food additive blamed for the dietary disaster Mrs. Obama complains about. But she hasn't connected the dots, apparently. Or she doesn't want to offend agribiz lobbyists.
Is this evil, or merely insane? Expect more of the same from our leadership class.