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FRIDAY, FEB 3, 2012  |  126 comments
Tim Tebow Cancels Speech at Rod Parsley's Christian Conference

The Denver Broncos quarterback and dedicated Christian had been scheduled to speak at a three-day Columbus event in March led by televangelist Rod Parsley.

Tebow’s brother Robbie said in a phone interview that he was canceling the talk. Robbie Tebow said his brother’s speakers’ bureau hadn’t researched the event before saying yes to the invitation.

Parsley teaches that God wants the faithful to be rich. Last year, he asked followers to donate more than $1 million to ward off satanic attacks. In the 2008 presidential election, Republican Sen. John McCain disowned an endorsement from Parsley after learning the pastor called Islam an “anti-Christ” religion. ...


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Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
proverb wrote:
Proverbs 26:4
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Psa 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Your point is, fifteen?

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News Item2/14/12 5:58 PM
proverb  Find all comments by proverb
Lurker wrote:
I hear crickets.
Proverbs 26:4
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
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News Item2/14/12 3:10 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
I hear crickets.
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News Item2/13/12 9:02 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
xv wrote:
I cannot understand your logic.
It's simple. Your assertion; "he concluded them in unbelief (hardening them as he did Pharoah) because this is what they deserved..." will not be established from scripture. The implication is that God cast them away so that they, and the succeeding 50 generations, would perish guilty in unbelief ("what they deserved") but to that idea Paul said "God forbid". If your assertion were true, then why did Paul preach to them in the hope of saving some (Rom 11:14)? Did God forget to tell Paul He had already judged the Jews?

Neither is your assertion even remotely consistent with God's revealed justice (see Ezek 18:19-20).

What your system of free-will theism rejects, God's right to have mercy upon whom He will have mercy, is the only thing which will make sense of the biblical truths your system can't assimilate.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Make your case for "a judicial judgement of God" if you choose but your time would be better spent praying God forgives you for refusing to acknowledge that were it not for His mercy; Jew and Gentile alike, would all justly perish in unbelief for by God's mercy alone are men enabled (1 Tim 1:12-17).

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News Item2/13/12 2:53 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The Jews will turn to Christ during the Tribulation period. There has always been a number of Jews who has accepted Christ as their Messiah throughout history for that matter. It does have to be pointed out, The answer is, "YES," to Does God Have a Future for Israel?: A Study of Romans 11.
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News Item2/13/12 12:50 PM
xv  Find all comments by xv
Lurker wrote:
Why God concluded the Jews in unbelief is irrelevant to my point..
If your statement were true the unbelieving Jews, all of them these past 2,000 years, would rightly stand innocent before God at the great white throne judgment bearing no responsibility for their rejection of Messiah...

I cannot understand your logic.

Their present unbelief is a judicial judgement of God; God hardening their hearts because for centuries they remained a stiff necked people.

They were held responsible for their original sins, and remain responsible for their continuing sins even though God will not deal with the mass of them but only a remnant.

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News Item2/12/12 8:34 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
xv wrote:
Lurker, Permit me to ask you, did God conclude them in unbelief inspite of their actions or because of them?
Why God concluded the Jews in unbelief is irrelevant to my point which was to demonstrate that your statement "Ability and responsibility go hand in hand. You cut off ability, then there is no responsibility." is biblically false.

If your statement were true the unbelieving Jews, all of them these past 2,000 years, would rightly stand innocent before God at the great white throne judgment bearing no responsibility for their rejection of Messiah. Their names would be written in the book of life alongside the names of all the faithful believers and martyrs of the past 2,000 years. Their robes would be washed white in the blood of the very Lamb they rejected in unbelief. Divine justice?

That said, your question of why God concluded them in unblief may be relevant to you if it is your belief that God cast them off so they would fall but to that Paul said "God forbid". Of all who abided in unbelief the past 2,000 years, a remnant belonged to the Father and to those, in mercy, He gave eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to perceive (Deut 29:4) in time. He grafted them into the olive tree from which their forefathers were broken off.

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News Item2/12/12 5:57 PM
xv  Find all comments by xv
Lurker wrote:
Free will rhetoric.
God confined the Jews in unbelief (some scripture for you... Rom 11:32) and billions have died in unbelief over the past 2,000 years. Will they stand innocent before the great white throne judgment (more scripture... Rev 20:11-15) for their unbelief because 'God made them do it'?
Lurker, Permit me to ask you, did God conclude them in unbelief inspite of their actions or because of them?

If you say regardless of what they had done, then your point is made and I will concede. If however God's patience with them was exhausted and judicially he concluded them in unbelief (hardening them as he did Pharoah) because this is what they deserved then my point is made and I trust that you will concede.

God had shown incredible mercy to the Jews, as Paul says in Rms 10:21, quoting Isaiah 65:1: “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” Certainly God had the right to harden them now just as He did Pharaoh of old. Paul shows that the Prophets predicted the Jews’ rejection of Christ and God’s hardening of them because of it (see Rms 9:27-29; 33; 10:19-21; 11:7-10).

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News Item2/12/12 5:20 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
xv wrote:
Ability and responsibility go hand in hand. You cut off ability, then there is no responsibility.
Free will rhetoric.

God confined the Jews in unbelief (some scripture for you... Rom 11:32) and billions have died in unbelief over the past 2,000 years. Will they stand innocent before the great white throne judgment (more scripture... Rev 20:11-15) for their unbelief because 'God made them do it'?

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News Item2/12/12 4:41 PM
xv  Find all comments by xv
yw wrote:
“The sinner is responsible for his spiritual impotence. It is the fruit of sin; and man's sin does not destroy nor put out of court God's right...for ...obedience …. repentance and faith despite the fact that His sinful creatures have disabled themselves from yielding to Him. His title to make His demand is entirely and absolutely unimpaired”
“Therefore man's own inability is something he is guilty for, and that inability cannot therefore be seen as something that relieves the sinner of responsibility.”
BTW, yw are my real initials.
Full of scripture. So I'll say no more!
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News Item2/12/12 3:28 PM
yw  Find all comments by yw
xv wrote:
Ability and responsibility go hand in hand. You cut off ability, then there is no responsibility.
“The sinner is responsible for his spiritual impotence. It is the fruit of sin; and man's sin does not destroy nor put out of court God's right...for ...obedience …. repentance and faith despite the fact that His sinful creatures have disabled themselves from yielding to Him. His title to make His demand is entirely and absolutely unimpaired”

“Therefore man's own inability is something he is guilty for, and that inability cannot therefore be seen as something that relieves the sinner of responsibility.”

BTW, yw are my real initials.

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News Item2/12/12 8:44 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Calvinism is false wrote:
What you cannot account for is all the warning passages of scripture which would be needless if there was never any possibility of believers abandoning the faith. Why are they there friend?
What makes you think I cannot account for them?

The issue is an important one, and well worth a good look at. I tell you what, you pick out the text, and we shall open it up for interpretation, and see if we can alleviate the dificulty some folks have with such a thing.

Then, those with a works salvation can carry on in their futile attempt, while those who are trusting Christ only for their salvation can be rest assured that the passage does not refer to them at all.

Are you ready? Pick your first text.

Oh and Michael
Very good points, and most relevant.

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News Item2/12/12 8:34 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Calvinism is false wrote:
What you cannot account for is all the warning passages of scripture which would be needless if there was never any possibility of believers abandoning the faith. Why are they there friend?
Friend
You asked John a good question and if you will allow I would like to give an observation.

It is possible for people to have knowledge about God who have not truly believed on him. Having been in Pentecostal Churches I have seen some with the attitude salvation depends upon them and they strive to live right and mournfully repent when they blow it.

But the reality is ther is nothing good in any one of us, it is our very nature to sin, to love sin, to hate genuine obedience to God AND God must needs fix us on the inside AND keep us because we cannot keep ourselves saved.

Hence warning after warning to those who might imagine they can believe about Jesus or God and attempt in their believing about the things of God to live good enough (IMPOSSIBLE) He must save us.

Salvation is very much about being made into a new creation, one that loves God, loves His word, delights to do His will, a new wineskin God delights to fill with His Spirit who will lead His child to joyfully obediently live for Him forever!

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News Item2/12/12 8:23 AM
Calvinism is false  Find all comments by Calvinism is false
John UK wrote:
-- The main difference between you and me is that my salvation is secure, because it rests solely and wholly upon what CHRIST has done for me in his perfect life and atoning death. Jesus said, "They shall never perish..." And so I shall never perish.
You, on the other hand, if you are consistent, must allow for the possibility of your falling from grace and making shipwreck of your faith, and finally falling into hell. You do not believe that Christ's work is sufficient for time and eternity.
And thus I feel sorry for you if you are a true believer.
What you cannot account for is all the warning passages of scripture which would be needless if there was never any possibility of believers abandoning the faith. Why are they there friend?
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News Item2/12/12 8:07 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Calvinism is false wrote:
Michael, I will read it on your recommendation. But I have a problem with all calvinists because they make their own problems and then resolve them by absurd philosophical reasoning which in turn they impose on the scriptures.
If as many believe TULIP is the gospel, why would they seek to hide it when preaching the gospel to the unsaved? Unless they know at heart that it is a false message not likely to convert anyone.
Calvinism is false
I have great problem with some, not everyone who calls him or herself a Calvinist, and at the heart of my problem is that some diliberately twist and ignore what God Himself says to us in Scripture (I also have the same problem with the RCC, especially the RCC, along with Word of Faith, Purpose Driven Movement, etc. etc. but they would all be another story)

What this preacher wrote in his article: John 3:16
about God loving the world would have gotten him "blasted" condemned and reviled by some posting a few years ago who zealous twisted Scripture to fit TULIP

Let's STOP for just a moment and thank God that the unbelief, the twisting of Scripture by some will not in anyway nullify the immeasurably wonderful salvation of Christ.

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News Item2/12/12 8:01 AM
sameoldstory  Find all comments by sameoldstory
Michael Hranek wrote:
sameoldstory
You might better have said
Yes Michael, but all beloved Free Presbyterians are indeed Calvinists and that is what 'Calvinism is False' is loudly disputing, is it not, that calvinists preach another gospel? You are linking to a Calvinist gospel sermon...GREAT! So why not link to the errors of Dave Hunt's book on the same website? Or David Cloud? Deliberate misrepresentation or willful ignorance needs to be addressed and it is on the website? Theology does not end with John 3: 16 as blessed a truth that it is to all believers.
Your beloved preacher has a whole website disputing all the points made by
calvinism is false and PROVING FROM SCRIPTURE the doctrines of grace to be TRUE, that is why I point in that direction.

Maybe you and I can learn more wisdom than even that single gospel sermon from that beloved preacher's website too? God bless your further studies and glad you went to the site in the providence of God, so hope you return to study further.

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News Item2/12/12 8:00 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Calvinism is false wrote:
There is so much calvinist propaganda available on the net that you've probably never even considered the other point of view. Why dont you read the articles and then you will see that what you say is misrepresentation because what you do not take into account is regeneration and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
The first twenty years of my Christian walk I had no internet, and all my doctrines were formed from my own study of the scriptures. I would hope that you allow me the privilege of learning doctrine from the Bible and the teaching of the Spirit.

Obviously, one of us is incorrect on these major issues.

The main difference between you and me is that my salvation is secure, because it rests solely and wholly upon what CHRIST has done for me in his perfect life and atoning death. Jesus said, "They shall never perish..." And so I shall never perish.

You, on the other hand, if you are consistent, must allow for the possibility of your falling from grace and making shipwreck of your faith, and finally falling into hell. You do not believe that Christ's work is sufficient for time and eternity.

And thus I feel sorry for you if you are a true believer.

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Calvinism is false  Find all comments by Calvinism is false
Michael Hranek wrote:
Calvinism is False
I hope you read the article mentioned above and that it motivates you to prayer as it does me. I have and I believe rightfully so problems with both modern and some historic Calvinism but do not want to let that bring me into an intellectual dishonesty to condemn all Calvinists when some in my words aren't really all that Calvinist and would likely be rejected by many in the mainstream of TULIP theology.
Michael, I will read it on your recommendation. But I have a problem with all calvinists because they make their own problems and then resolve them by absurd philosophical reasoning which in turn they impose on the scriptures.

If as many believe TULIP is the gospel, why would they seek to hide it when preaching the gospel to the unsaved? Unless they know at heart that it is a false message not likely to convert anyone.

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News Item2/12/12 7:24 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
sameoldstory wrote:
You may as well have linked
sameoldstory
You might better have said of John 3:16 Unimaginable Important Wonderful Revelation of Immeasurably Great Good News

This beloved Free Presbyterian preacher in this one message gives NO, NONE, ZERO mention of election, predestination or anything else TULIP in his presentation of the Gospel. A very good presentation all of us might want to prayerfully and humbly study out and own that our own telling of it will be out of a heart after Christ.

As to the volume of everything else he speaks of I am ignorant and each of us would need to be good bereans, but in this case I thank God for his telling of John 3:16 and thank you for referencing him.

Calvinism is False
I hope you read the article mentioned above and that it motivates you to prayer as it does me. I have and I believe rightfully so problems with both modern and some historic Calvinism but do not want to let that bring me into an intellectual dishonesty to condemn all Calvinists when some in my words aren't really all that Calvinist and would likely be rejected by many in the mainstream of TULIP theology.

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Calvinism is false  Find all comments by Calvinism is false
John UK wrote:
Okay, I know. But look at it like this: if the arminist gospel of prevenient (Wesleyan-style) grace is correct, and man has a truly free option to repent or not when God's grace is upon him, then his whole salvation is a partnership between himself and God. God has done part, and now the sinner must do HIS part. And not only so, but he must do HIS part continually without failing, OR HE WILL BE LOST. That is, despite having once been saved, he ends in hell, simply because his works were insufficient.
There is so much calvinist propaganda available on the net that you've probably never even considered the other point of view. Why dont you read the articles and then you will see that what you say is misrepresentation because what you do not take into account is regeneration and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

sameoldstory wrote:
If you can see any scriptural holes then email the Pastor with your questions
I will stick with my Bible thanks.
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