SubQ wrote: Yes, pagans have always had a "contraceptive mindset." They've always desired to snuff out their young like a finished smoke. And Sanger bequeathed us affordable (soon to be totally free) mass-produced contraceptives (most are abortifacient) that now set in almost every U.S. medicine cabinet, purse or bedside table.
But the pope, as you represent him, wasn't talking about technology, but about a mindset. And I say his reasoning is logically fallacious. How can any mortal determine which came first, the "contraceptive mindset" or "widespread infidelity?" Was fidelity less widespread before the Pill? If so, then how did he know? How can any mortal determine "fidelity?" Counting noses at church every Sunday? Maybe there were more church-attending hypocrites in the past than now. Maybe birth control was just as common, but less reported.
Neil wrote: people have had a “contraceptive mindset” for centuries, the [allegedly Catholic] French for example.
Yes, pagans have always had a "contraceptive mindset." They've always desired to snuff out their young like a finished smoke. And mega-pagan, Margaret Sanger, bequeathed to them and us affordable (soon to be totally free) mass-produced contraceptives (most are abortifacient) that now set in almost every U.S. medicine cabinet, purse or bedside table.
Since these "Christians" have been snuffing out their young for 50 years (the Pill 1st went on sale in 1960), it shouldn't be surprising that this would lead to "less integrity" and "widespread infidelity.”
Today most Christians/Catholics don't just think like a pagan, they are.
SubQ wrote: When your subculture tells you that all technology is neutral and that none of it will hurt your Christian witness (obviously you're not in the Amish subculture that views much modern technology as non-neutral), does this always hold true? Is all technology really morally and ethically neutral? And if not, how can one discern since that technology would always be newer than the Bible text, itself?
Semald wrote: churches are blind to the truth and Biblical doctrines. The effect of this is lawlessness, moral confusion and a criminal mind set in the populace. Predictions from Romans ch. 1:- 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding....etc etc!!
When your subculture tells you that all technology is neutral and that none of it will hurt your Christian witness (obviously you're not in the Amish subculture which views much modern technology as non-neutral), does this always hold true?
Is all technology really morally and ethically neutral? And if not, how can one discern since that technology would always be newer than the Bible text, itself?
"He blames the bad examples set by footballers cheating on their wives, the phone hacking scandal, and dodgy financial dealing."
And there are probably many people out there in the UK who believe this kind of baloney.
As for the Pope predicting this because of contraception??? What nut case believes that daft junk? The Pope and his satanic idolatrous organisation is part of the problem not part of the solution. Biblical ignorance in all cults materialise worldly solutions to societies lawless disorder.
The church and Christian doctrines are no longer taught, even the national churches are blind to the truth and Biblical doctrines. The effect of this is lawlessness, moral confusion and a criminal mind set in the populace.
Predictions from Romans ch. 1:- 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding....etc etc!!
SubQ wrote: What Pope Paul VI wrote is that a "contraceptive mindset" would lead to "widespread infidelity." The rest is history. … P.S. It's impossible to be "warm" to that which your subculture tells you is evil.
I forgot to add that the pope committed a fallacy in reasoning: “Affirming the Consequent.” Perhaps “widespread infidelity” has causes other than what he said. Only God knows ultimate causes, & the pope ain't Him. Scientists commit the same error when they think their theories are experimentally confirmed.
BTW, people have had a “contraceptive mindset” for centuries, the [allegedly Catholic] French for example. And there are infidel people who repudiate contraception, perhaps Muslims for example. How is this explained then?
And I do not understand your P.S. Are you saying you have a right to be proud?
Neil wrote: That is rich, coming from the leader of a church with a horrific track record in integrity! And what sort of spirit boasts “Aha! We said it before you guys, so there!” That'll really warm me up to Roman Catholicism.
Christian.org.uk article title: "People have less integrity and it is harming society"
What Pope Paul VI wrote is that a "contraceptive mindset" would lead to "widespread infidelity." The rest is history.
P.S. It's impossible to be "warm" to that which your subculture tells you is evil.
Dire Straights wrote: "People have less integrity and it is harming society"
That is rich, coming from the leader of a church with a horrific track record in integrity! And what sort of spirit boasts “Aha! We said it before you guys, so there!” That'll really warm me up to Roman Catholicism.
"People have less integrity and it is harming society"
"The world predicted by Pope Paul VI in 1968 in his `Humanae Vitae` is upon us. In his encyclical, the Pope envisioned four consequences of what he termed the `contraceptive mindset`:
"1. Widespread infidelity and a lowering of morality."
Why is this new finally getting to the Evangelical world? These dire predictions were released 44 years ago by the Vatican. When will Evangelicals bother to check on the other three predicted plagues that contraception has wrought?
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What nut case believes that daft junk? The Pope and his satanic idolatrous organisation is part of the problem not part of the solution. Biblical ignorance in all cults materialise worldly solutions to societies lawless disorder.
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