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TUESDAY, JAN 24, 2012  |  27 comments
Man tells IRS he is a resident of 'heaven,' owes no taxes

A 40-year-old Melbourne man who told IRS agents he was not subject to man’s laws but instead was an American national who “resided in the Kingdom of Heaven,” pled not guilty this week to charges he filed false tax returns.

Russell P. Gentile also faces one count of obstruction of an IRS agent after a grand jury indicted him.

Gentile was taken into custody Wednesday and had an initial appearance before a U.S. Middle District judge in Orlando hours later. He was released on bond and will have another hearing Feb. 14 on the federal charges. ...


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News Item1/28/12 4:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John U.K., It almost sounds like distill profitable to be a fisherman in England. I remember when we could get the BBC News or the Internet (since we don't pay your tax for the BBC we can't get it.) The fisherman I remember some years back were griping about how the EU was going to limit their fishing. I am is about as far from any ocean coast as anyone in the United States can get. I have no idea about the fishing laws for onshore fishing.

Yes, if the Palestinians stop whining and did as the Israelis, they could had a very decent lifestyle by now.

I will again point out about taxes, Dick Y. You owe the "beast," money!

Romans 13
4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.
5 Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.
7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.---NASB

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News Item1/27/12 6:07 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Maybe these can get you started, but you'll have to add color:
Old pics of the Holy Land
Thanks Neil, that is one amazing photo album!
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News Item1/27/12 1:31 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Dirk Yoder wrote:
You're on his side and the beast,…

How do you give federal reserve notes to a dead man and how have you determined said notes are his?
Nothing nasty. Just a simple question.

I do tend to take the side of people who make sense, or at least try to. But as for beasts, I don't care for them, so you're unfair in imputing such allegiance to me.

But regarding your question – I don't know, since I've never tried, & I suspect Russ hasn't either. What on earth are you talking about? Who's dead?

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News Item1/26/12 11:46 PM
Dirk Yoder  Find all comments by Dirk Yoder
Oh, I get it. You're on his side and the beast, so your philosophical speak doesn't apply then. If you didn't agree with him, then everything he says would be a fallacy and invalid and he'd have to prove this and that blah blah blah.

His initial question was addressed:

"Why do Christians do things like this and tarnish all of us?"

However, while pondering it further I think I understand what he is really meaning. Russ is saying that the "Christians" who fornicate with the State religion in exchange for certain privileges are tarnished in the eyes of the State rulers because of true believers who challenge their false religion and their antichrist kingdom.

This statement needs clarification:

"I'm thinking Jesus might ask him whose face is on the dollar bill."

And my unanswered question to Russ:

How do you give federal reserve notes to a dead man and how have you determined said notes are his?

Nothing nasty. Just a simple question.

Neil wrote:
I was silent because Russ said nothing objectionable. Why not answer his questions instead of getting nasty?
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News Item1/26/12 9:37 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Oops! I was thinking of Ken Hovind, perhaps because his picture appeared on the margin of one of these webpages, instead of Mr. Gentile. My mistake, but my remarks still apply.
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News Item1/26/12 8:23 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Dirk Yoder wrote:
I'm surprised that Neil the philosopher hasn't jumped on you for your presumptuous, illogical, question-begging, fallacious remarks.
I was silent because Russ said nothing objectionable. Why not answer his questions instead of getting nasty?

Now if Hovind is truly a resident of Heaven, then why does he fret over ephemeral bits of paper issued by the Federal Reserve? Why go to court & prison over unrighteous mammon (fiat money), which passeth away?

“Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?” — 1 Cor. 6:7
if indeed he was defrauded.

Yet he prefers to fight over money, play the martyr, & boast about all the people he supposedly “saved” while in prison.

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News Item1/26/12 7:47 PM
Dirk Yoder  Find all comments by Dirk Yoder
How do you give federal reserve notes to a dead man and how have you determined said notes are his?

I'm surprised that Neil the philosopher hasn't jumped on you for your presumptuous, illogical, question-begging, fallacious remarks.

Russ wrote:
Dirk,
If you can show me biblically where I was wrong in my statement, then I will humbly repent.

"I'm thinking Jesus might ask him whose face is on the dollar bill.

"Why do Christians do things like this and tarnish all of us?"

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News Item1/26/12 7:24 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
But I could get some pics off the web to copy, they're not all copywritten.
Maybe these can get you started, but you'll have to add color:
Old pics of the Holy Land
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News Item1/26/12 7:20 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Mark Twain wasn't too impressed by 1860's Palestine (from “Innocents Abroad”), esp. Arabs begging for “baksheesh”, & would-be bodyguards scamming them for “protection” from imaginary bandits. He also noted how small the country really is, quite different from his Sunday School expectations. But maybe the Israelis have made it more presentable since then ☺
Well I wasn't thinking of actually going there bro, I couldn't afford that anyway. But I could get some pics off the web to copy, they're not all copywritten.

I'm outta here!

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News Item1/26/12 7:12 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
I wonder if watercolour paintings of all those holy land sites would sell here in the UK. I would quite like to have a go at painting them.
Mark Twain wasn't too impressed by 1860's Palestine (from “Innocents Abroad”), esp. Arabs begging for “baksheesh”, & would-be bodyguards scamming them for “protection” from imaginary bandits. He also noted how small the country really is, quite different from his Sunday School expectations. But maybe the Israelis have made it more presentable since then ☺
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News Item1/26/12 6:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
A bit further off topic, but two amateur Israeli archæologists found a buried fishing boat at the Sea of Galilee, estimated to be 2K yrs. old. They think it was repeatedly repaired over many decades until it could no longer be fixed, suggesting that fishing wasn't terribly profitable back then. Or (to get closer to topic) maybe Publicans were to blame!
That's cool, thanks Neil!

I too have been repeatedly repaired over many decades, and there will come a time when I can no longer be fixed either.

I wonder if watercolour paintings of all those holy land sites would sell here in the UK. I would quite like to have a go at painting them.

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News Item1/26/12 5:07 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
A bit further off topic, but two amateur Israeli archæologists found a buried fishing boat at the Sea of Galilee, estimated to be 2K yrs. old. They think it was repeatedly repaired over many decades until it could no longer be fixed, suggesting that fishing wasn't terribly profitable back then. Or (to get closer to topic) maybe Publicans were to blame!
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News Item1/26/12 4:45 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Interesting. I was thinking of Britain's two Cod Wars with Iceland, but that was offshore. Alaska's commercial ocean fishing is regulated closely.
Quite so. We here are now super-regulated by Europe as regards trawlers and net fishing. A whole generation of fishermen have gone now, never to return, and little fishing ports, once filled with boats, are now empty or are stacking up with derelict fishing boats. The EU has a lot to answer for!

But the man who wants to catch his own, off his local beach or dinghy, can do so without a problem ..... at the moment.

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News Item1/26/12 4:40 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Thus far Neil, there is no license needed to fish rod and line in the ocean…
Interesting. I was thinking of Britain's two Cod Wars with Iceland, but that was offshore. Alaska's commercial ocean fishing is regulated closely.

Some historians think America was “discovered” by European fishermen before Columbus, but they kept it secret for obvious reasons.

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News Item1/26/12 4:36 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Neil wrote:
Don't you even need a license, John? I thought Englishmen need official permission for *everything* these days, like us here in the "Land of the Free."
Ref: AZ Fishing Rules
But I suppose our state & Federal fish & game laws are agreeable to Deut. 22:6.
Thus far Neil, there is no license needed to fish rod and line in the ocean, either from the shore or boat, although there have been calls in recent years to impose one. It is a different matter inland, where an Environment Agency license is required everywhere, plus a permit from the owner of the waterway. No coarse fish may be removed, and game fish are very limited in the amount you can take home. It certainly doesn't pay off to fish for trout, but sea fishing, well that's just great. And bass are plentiful off our coast - tasty!
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News Item1/26/12 4:26 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
John UK wrote:
Jim, I don't know what it's like in America, but here we have free fishing all around our coasts, and you can keep and eat anything you catch, making it very profitable.
Don't you even need a license, John? That sounds like just the sort of thing Whitehall would love to regulate, as here in the "Land of the Free."

E.g. AZ Fishing Rules
But I suppose our State & Federal fish & game laws are agreeable to Deut. 22:6.

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News Item1/26/12 4:04 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John, UK, if I could get those results by fishing I would take it up also. But, I have no doubt that fishing does have a lot of benefits, though usually not economic ones.
Jim, I don't know what it's like in America, but here we have free fishing all around our coasts, and you can keep and eat anything you catch, making it very profitable. And if you catch a lot in one go, it is easy enough to gut and tail the fish and stick 'em all in the freezer. One summer I had enough mackerel to last me through til the end of the year.

Oh, I nearly forgot. I also went out in a charter mackerel boat one year, and caught so many, with a friend, that we got back and cleaned all the fish up on the beach, walked 100 yards to a local shop, and sold the lot, paying for the boat trip and with cash left over.

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News Item1/26/12 2:06 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John, UK, if I could get those results by fishing I would take it up also. But, I have no doubt that fishing does have a lot of benefits, though usually not economic ones.
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News Item1/26/12 10:39 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Russ wrote:
Jesus is clearly saying that we must submit to the governing authorities in paying the taxes due to them.
I like the way Jesus paid his taxes.

But then, I enjoy fishing.

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News Item1/26/12 9:38 AM
Russ | Texas  Find all comments by Russ
Dirk,
You are attacking the wrong people here my friend. I am not the author of the Scriptures, only one bound to obedience to all they say. If you can show me biblically where I was wrong in my statement, then I will humbly repent.

Second, you do realize that Caesar is a title not a name right? Jesus is clearly saying that we must submit to the governing authorities in paying the taxes due to them. Like it or not as long as you are a part of this nation you biblically have to play by the rules as long as they are not unscriptural.

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