Sojourners and Keystone: Using the Bible for political purposes
Fast as always with a press release, Sojourners came out with an extraordinary headline this afternoon: ‚ÄúObama Administration Rejects Keystone XL Pipeline. Christian and Other Faith Leaders Praise Administration‚Äôs Decision to Put Creation over Narrow Corporate Interests.‚ÄĚ
Jim, maybe I wasn't clear enough. I already know about fuel being our #1 export, but was asking for evidence that your Senator supported the ‚Äútake-it-or-leave it‚ÄĚ amendment as an oil-industry stooge, & not for any other reason. Otherwise, I'm no more inclined to believe you than him.
I think you & other oil-industry flamers are just greedy for cheap gas, & either assume oil execs are as greedy as you are, or else resent anything or anyone that inconveniences you. This probably explains your pathological hatred for all things George Bush, whom you flame at every opportunity. Perhaps the Secret Service should keep an eye on you. It is certainly not an attitude I expect from Christians.
Ah, Neil, this will somewhat back up my statement--In a first, gas and other fuels are top US export. I have no trouble agreeing with you that taxes and refining costs are the greatest costs for American consumers. I'm also surprised that Canadians didn't want to build more refineries to get the extra benefit from, "added values," to their oil production?
The Bushes,Dick Cheney,(You know, this fellow, and many of the other people in G. W. Bush's ruling cartel were in the oil business. I would think that's a fact that you should know, already, Neil.
Street-Preacher wrote: Evidently you "mike" Are IGNORANT Of THE HISTORIC+AUTHORIZED+ENGLISH+HOLY+BIBLE Which Says:
"And I Heard A Voice In The Midst Of The Four Beasts Say, A Measure Of Wheat For A Penny (A Day's Wage), And Three Measures Of Barley For A Penny (A Day's Wage); And See Thou Hurt NOT THE OIL And THE (STRONG) WINE."--REVELATION 6:6 !
"THE OIL" blah, blah, blah....
..... is olive oil, oh ignorant one.
Street-Preacher wrote: THE POOR SOULS WHO'LL BE "LEFT-BEHIND" AFTER CHRIST'S "PRE-TRIBULATION" RAPTURE TO SUFFER THE "TRIBULATION'S &-OR THE 'GREAT-TRIBULATION'S " 7-YEARS "HELL-ON-EARTH"
You paid perfectly good money for BJU to teach you this? I'd demand a refund.
Neil wrote: What many of my fellow Americans don't seem to understand is that crude oil prices are just part of the cost at the pump. The rest is refining, distribution, profit, etc., but ESPECIALLY taxes, which vary wildly by jurisdiction. This is why Arizona gas is ~40¬Ę cheaper than in Calif., even though the Fed tax % is the same. This also is why European gas is so much more costly; from the earliest days, European govt's taxed fuel heavily, & is why they have so many tiny cars, as in France for example, which taxes cars by engine displacement. Here's more info on the US: EIA Motor Fuel Taxes by State
From that chart, Neil, it would seem that each state can impose its own tax on fuel, with a huge difference in some instances. And you're right about the hefty tax we have to pay under Westminster - it is HUGE! Currently, and I hate to say we now have to buy in litres, our price is around ¬£1.31/litre, with no sign of a letup.
Jim, I need evidence before I believe anything you post that I don't already know. Where are all those URLs you love to include?
"Oil pumped in United States was was not sold in this country or to lower prices here but was sold abroad ... many advertisements supporting this pipeline don't go into the negative details"
Yes, maybe they don't realize how economically illiterate their readers are. And what foolishness from CBS! Of course oil is sold abroad! Why sell domestically when you can get a better price where demand is higher? You'd do the same if you ran a business; why sell cheap when you can sell dear? It's not a sin, just dumb 'ol supply & demand.
I think people like you who are obsessed with imagined oil co. conspiracies are simply projecting their own lust for cheap fuel, despite the fact that it's long been cheaper here than in most Western countries. Total Depravity: There's just no pleasing some people.
Yes, in the Sand Hills, a leak is a serious factor ‚Äď not because of oil sinking into the ground though considering the type of ground that it is it would more so than with black loam ‚Äď but also because these are nothing but sand dunes covered with grass when you dig around in them you will have blowouts. In other words wind erosion in the Sand Hills is a very serious factor. Again, this company already has an oil pipeline through Nebraska and the majority Nebraskans including myself would have no gripes if they laid another one along the same route.
By the way, I was looking at a CBS news program, and they pointed out that excess (?) Oil pumped in United States was was not sold in this country or to lower prices here but was sold abroad. So, while there are some benefits to this oil pipeline perhaps like making the oil soaked Bushes richer, many advertisements supporting this pipeline don't go into the negative details.
Sen. Joannes voted for the 90 day take it or leave it pipeline amendment to the budget bill and that would've pushed the pipeline along the original route, Neil.
Mike wrote: The question for me is, why the fear of leaking oil pipelines now a factor?
I agree it's probably a delusion, but petroleum infrastructure is like sewers ‚ÄĒ everyone needs it, but no one wants the odious but necessary parts of the system in their backyard. When Greens give up their Subarus & Priuses, then I'll believe they're serious about their religion.
I think I'm not stretching too far to quote Prov. 14:4: "Where no oxen are, the manger is clean: but much increase comes by the strength of the ox."
BTW John, I didn't give a per-gallon price difference traceable to the EIA chart; I was relying on observed posted pump prices. For comparison, it looks like about 75% of the retail price of British unleaded fuel is gov't duty & VAT.
The question for me is, why the fear of leaking oil pipelines now a factor? I could have missed it, but has there been a major environment changing leak? It looks like there are roughly 85000 miles of line in the continental US already, with a good safety record, so what is it about the Keystone version that is of so much concern? Is it just the usual expected earth-worshipper opposition?
Neil wrote: I haven't, but it wouldn't surprise me, for mundane reasons: No well is worth the trouble unless the cost of extraction can be covered by the wholesale value of the oil it produces. If the price rises sufficiently, then idle wells may get revived, which cumulatively has a negative effect on price with a positive effect on supply. It's just basic economics. What many of my fellow Americans don't seem to understand is that crude oil prices are just part of the cost at the pump. The rest is refining, distribution, profit, etc., but ESPECIALLY taxes, which vary wildly by jurisdiction. This is why Arizona gas is ~40¬Ę cheaper than in Calif., even though the Fed tax % is the same. This also is why European gas is so much more costly; from the earliest days, European govt's taxed fuel heavily, & is why they have so many tiny cars, as in France for example, which taxes cars by engine displacement. Here's more info on the US: EIA Motor Fuel Taxes by State
Thanks Neil, I'll try to have a read of that later today.