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FRONT PAGE  |  6/26/2017
FRIDAY, JAN 13, 2012  |  15 comments
Delaware lawsuit delves into Lord's Prayer

A hearing Wednesday in a lawsuit aimed at stopping the Sussex County Council from reciting the Lord's Prayer before each meeting delved into the theological meaning and history of the prayer's title and whether it is explicitly a Christian prayer.

Four county residents want U.S. District Court Judge Leonard P. Stark to rule that council's recitation of the Lord's Prayer violates the establishment cause of the First Amendment, which prohibits government from favoring one religion over others. They have asked the judge to rule the practice unconstitutional and order the council to cease reciting any sectarian prayers.

"It affiliates the county government with one single faith — Christianity — and sends a message to the county residents that their county government favors one religion," said Alex Luchenitser, an attorney for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington, D.C., ...


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News Item1/15/12 11:01 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John Yurich USA wrote:
The Creed states "WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH. WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD. WE BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT THE LORD AND GIVER OF LIFE.". Nowhere in the Creed does it state that the Catholic Church believes in any other god other than the God of the Bible. According to the Creed the Catholic Church worships the One God of the Bible. Muslims worship a demon god called Allah. Therefore logically as the facts prove that Catholics and Muslims do not have anything in common.
OK JY. If this is the core belief which makes Catholicism a true church, then as has already been pointed out to you numeroues times, the devil would be a fit candidate for membership of the RCC. Also, why did the RCC persecute other believers who believed as much but dissented from the RCC doctrine on Justification? And if this teaching is so important to the RCC how come it has embraced muslims as brothers? And if you don't agree with what it has done why stay in, unless your mind is totally gone!
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News Item1/15/12 8:43 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Observer wrote:
Only someone who's mind is totally gone believes that Catholics have always worshipped the One True God of the Bible blah blah blah...
The Creed states "WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH. WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD. WE BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT THE LORD AND GIVER OF LIFE.". Nowhere in the Creed does it state that the Catholic Church believes in any other god other than the God of the Bible. According to the Creed the Catholic Church worships the One God of the Bible. Muslims worship a demon god called Allah. Therefore logically as the facts prove that Catholics and Muslims do not have anything in common.
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News Item1/14/12 7:34 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John Yurich USA wrote:
...Catholics have always worshipped the One True God of the Bible consisting of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. ...
Only someone who's mind is totally gone believes that Catholics have always worshipped the One True God of the Bible blah blah blah...
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News Item1/14/12 4:35 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
NYP etc., actually it does open up the door to prayers to Allah etc. I would also remind people that Catholics and Muslims have a lot in common. Understanding Islam and Roman Catholicism. A secular setting with a common prayer with non-Christians e.g. Catholics, not the proper use of Prayer.
What a bunch of insane nonsense that Catholics and Muslims have something in common. Catholics have always worshipped the One True God of the Bible consisting of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Muslims worship a False demon god called Allah and have never worshipped the God of the Bible. Therefore logically Catholics and Muslims do not have anything in common. Only someone who's mind is totally gone believes that Catholics and Muslims have something in common.
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News Item1/14/12 4:15 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
NYP etc., actually it does open up the door to prayers to Allah etc. I would also remind people that Catholics and Muslims have a lot in common. Understanding Islam and Roman Catholicism. A secular setting with a common prayer with non-Christians e.g. Catholics, not the proper use of Prayer.
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News Item1/13/12 10:01 PM
Not you, pope  Find all comments by Not you, pope
unworthy servant wrote:
Well, I would much rather they recite the Lord's prayer than start their day out saying there is no god but allah and mohammed is his prophet. It may not be an exercise of faith from their heart but at least they are quoting the awesome, living, and powerful word of God.
Amen.
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News Item1/13/12 9:16 PM
unworthy servant | Georgia  Find all comments by unworthy servant
Well, I would much rather they recite the Lord's prayer than start their day out saying there is no god but allah and mohammed is his prophet. It may not be an exercise of faith from their heart but at least they are quoting the awesome, living, and powerful word of God.
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News Item1/13/12 7:31 PM
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quote wrote:
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; as I am not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my God and your God." John 20:17
Correction of type error and one word, made in my preigious quote; it being God's word, I misquoted I thought it necessary.
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News Item1/13/12 4:51 PM
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"Jesus saith uno her touch me not; as I am not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and thy Father, and to my God and your God." John 20:17

Our Father, is related to the above command of Christ. It was given to his disciples in answer to their request, 'Lord teach us to pray.' It is a pattern for our prayers primarily, yet if prayed with the understanding, it can be quoted on appropriate occasion. Like all God breathed Scripture, it is rich with substance (bread for spiritual life) for all God's children, we know if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us. Clearly this is a Christ-centered prayer. He through the apostle commands all men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer to the Father, through the Son, by the strength and assistance of the Holy Spirit. Disestablishmentarianism is contrary to the truth of Scripture. This article only distracts from the primary issue to further darken the minds of the unbelieving or divert them from the
truth of the Word.

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News Item1/13/12 3:42 PM
d. post  Find all comments by d. post
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Endless repetitions of the "Lord's Prayer," is a pagan(e.g. Catholic) practice. Christians should condemn the practice, also.
I don't know what time frame you are referring to Jim, but the Lord's Prayer at least "daily". Since...

Matt 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread"

The alternative might be...
"Give us this day, - Oh and thursday and friday also since I won't be able to catch up with you then, - our daily bread???

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News Item1/13/12 3:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
NYP, He said,"Pray, then, in this way…" your … Roman Catholic Bible as it incorrectly.

On occasion, we have psalms that are put to music. We have music that conforms to Christian theology and it is fairly often that is point out to us when some hymns do not conform to good Christian theology. By the way,

Webster's 1913 dictionary wrote:
MANTRA:

Mantra /‖Man´tra/ (?), n. [Skr.] A prayer; an invocation; a religious formula; a charm. [India]
☞ Among the Hindoos each caste and tribe has a mantra peculiar to itself; as, the mantra of the Brahmans. Balfour (Cyc. of India).

or I could add the mantras of the Romish church.
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News Item1/13/12 2:37 PM
Not you, pope  Find all comments by Not you, pope
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Endless repetitions of the "Lord's Prayer," is a pagan(e.g. Catholic) practice. Christians should condemn the practice, also.
Jesus taugth His Disciples:

"This, then, is how you should pray:"

If you don't sing and pray using David's Psalms or The Lord's Prayer, what prayer do you pray?

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News Item1/13/12 2:14 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, it isn't Christian. Christ condemned mantras.

Matthew 6
7 "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition, as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
8 "Therefore do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need, before you ask Him.
9 "Pray, then, in this way: 'Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name.
10 'Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven.
11 'Give us this day our daily bread.
12 'And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 'And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen. '---NASB

Endless repetitions of the "Lord's Prayer," is a pagan(e.g. Catholic) practice. Christians should condemn the practice, also.

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News Item1/13/12 8:47 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Not you, pope wrote:
"A hearing Wednesday in a lawsuit aimed at stopping the Sussex County Council from reciting the Lord's Prayer before each meeting delved into the theological meaning and history of the prayer's title and whether it is explicitly a Christian prayer."
Perhaps His prayer is so common in the U.S. that the court could consider it beyond biblical and declare it historic -- like furniture in the Lincoln Bedroom.
Perhaps
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News Item1/13/12 12:14 AM
Not you, pope  Find all comments by Not you, pope
"A hearing Wednesday in a lawsuit aimed at stopping the Sussex County Council from reciting the Lord's Prayer before each meeting delved into the theological meaning and history of the prayer's title and whether it is explicitly a Christian prayer."

Perhaps His prayer is so common in the U.S. that the court could consider it beyond biblical and declare it historic -- like furniture in the Lincoln Bedroom.

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