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TUESDAY, JAN 10, 2012  |  49 comments  |  1 commentary
Justin Bieber talks to God, doesn't need church
Justin Bieber talks directly to God.

The 17-year-old pop superstar is a Christian and believes there is a higher power guiding everyone's lives, but he doesn't go to church to affirm his faith and instead focuses on praying to God in private.

He told V magazine: "A lot of people who are religious, I think they get lost. They go to church just to go to church. I'm not trying to disrespect them . but for me, I focus more on praying and talking to Him. I don't have to go to church."


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Dirk Yoder  Find all comments by Dirk Yoder
If the SA participants would apply this scripture then there wouldn't be any more discussion, for isn't almost everyone on here a heretick?

Lurker wrote:
Since you have tried for many months to convince someone, anyone, on this forum that the RCC is the true church, with no success; isn't it way past due for you to obey this command?
Tts 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
reject = paraiteomai: shun, avoid.
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News Item1/12/12 1:02 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Not you pope wrote:
It makes little biblical sense that God would orchestrate 14 centuries of nobody saved (or even the real possibility of salvation), however after circa 1521, 100s and 100s of millions are now saved because we all have access to Luther's "Sola Fide" doctrine.

How can this tale ever ring true?

Sola Gratia! Yes!
Solus Christus! Yes!
Soli Deo Gloria! Yes!
_____________________

Sola Fide, clear? Perhaps. Biblical? Nullum.

Since you have tried for many months to convince someone, anyone, on this forum that the RCC is the true church, with no success; isn't it way past due for you to obey this command?

Tts 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

reject = paraiteomai: shun, avoid.

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News Item1/12/12 12:21 AM
for not you pope  Find all comments by for not you pope
Observer made a wise observation..."Re: NYP

Why is this one nuisance guy being allowed to dominate the forums? He is clearly loving the attention, and it does not appear that he wants to engage in any meaningful way, because he brings every thread to the same subject matter viz. RCC being the true church blah blah blah!

He is clearly a Jesuit imp peoples. We should not pander to his rhetoric!

I agree, he is doing nothing but spreading his rcc agenda. We must quit wasting valuable time on him, ignore him, and pray for his soul.

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News Item1/11/12 10:55 PM
Elmer Schwartz  Find all comments by Elmer Schwartz
Try "The Reformers and Their Stepchildren" by Verduin.

Not you pope wrote:
How do you account for what would be completely apostate 1,400 years with not so much as a peep about "Sola Fide" until Luther's 16th Century entrance onto the theological stage?
Where did Jesus say or even once imply: "Sola Fide" My brethren?
It makes little biblical sense that God would orchestrate 14 centuries of nobody saved (or even the real possibility of salvation), however after circa 1521, 100s and 100s of millions are now saved because we all have access to Luther's "Sola Fide" doctrine.
How can this tale ever ring true?
Sola Gratia! Yes!
Solus Christus! Yes!
Soli Deo Gloria! Yes!
_____________________
Sola Fide, clear? Perhaps. Biblical? Nullum.
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News Item1/11/12 7:54 PM
Not your pope  Find all comments by Not your pope
Luther in the Fast Lane

A brilliant Ph.D. Roman Catholic priest remarks: "Eureka! I've discovered *the* secret key that finally unlocks Heaven's door."

Thrilled, he emails his "theological novum" to the Pope who quickly replies he's incorrect.

Though bummed but through the increasing power of his newfangled salvation, he replies that he and his buds are splitting unless the Vicar of Christ knuckles under and agrees with his terms & conditions.

His Holiness texts: "Ok?"

Now consumed with power, twittering millions of followers by the moonlight, they take off in a huff to embrace his new truth.

Sadly, his soul is immediately required of him but as a consolation his followers name their newly-minted and growing denomination after him just as the strike of midnight.

Soli Deo Gloria!

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News Item1/11/12 6:43 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Not you pope wrote:
How do you account for what would be completely apostate 1,400 years with not so much as a peep about "Sola Fide" until Luther's 16th Century entrance onto the theological stage?
blah blah blah
Readers who find it difficult to answer this question should refer to

Gibson's "Preservation against Popery" Vol 2

There is an entire section devoted to the ignorant question, "Where was your religion before Luther" by Dr Hascard who was Dean of Windsor.

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News Item1/11/12 3:49 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
Phew! And people actually go through all that rigmaroll to join the Catholic Cult Church?
Since we have a Jesuit in our midst, here is a heads up on Jesuit strategems used today:

What to expect from Roman Catholic Apologists

I dont know why, but when one goes to the link one has to click on the "Impatient?" option to get to the page.

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News Item1/11/12 1:22 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
John UK
Take a look at the following contrast of the gospel according to the Bible and the "gospel" according to the RCC:
How to Obtain Eternal Life
Sola Fide, could not be clearer!
Phew! And people actually go through all that rigmaroll to join the Catholic Cult Church?
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News Item1/11/12 12:42 PM
Not you pope  Find all comments by Not you pope
Observer wrote:
Sola Fide, could not be clearer!
How do you account for what would be completely apostate 1,400 years with not so much as a peep about "Sola Fide" until Luther's 16th Century entrance onto the theological stage?

Where did Jesus say or even once imply: "Sola Fide" My brethren?

It makes little biblical sense that God would orchestrate 14 centuries of nobody saved (or even the real possibility of salvation), however after circa 1521, 100s and 100s of millions are now saved because we all have access to Luther's "Sola Fide" doctrine.

How can this tale ever ring true?

Sola Gratia! Yes!

Solus Christus! Yes!

Soli Deo Gloria! Yes!

_____________________

Sola Fide, clear? Perhaps. Biblical? Nullum.

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News Item1/11/12 12:38 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
That is a definite possibility, bro. He has had plenty of opportunity to turn to the Lord and be saved, and he has refused the instruction of God's word. There is no more that I can do for him. But man, it will not bode well on the day of judgment for one who has had so much care lavished on him and rejected it.
John UK

Take a look at the following contrast of the gospel according to the Bible and the "gospel" according to the RCC:

How to Obtain Eternal Life

Sola Fide, could not be clearer!

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News Item1/11/12 12:10 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
Re: NYP
Why is this one nuisance guy being allowed to dominate the forums? He is clearly loving the attention, and it does not appear that he wants to engage in any meaningful way, because he brings every thread to the same subject matter viz. RCC being the true church blah blah blah!
He is clearly a Jesuit imp peoples. We should not pander to his rhetoric!
That is a definite possibility, bro. He has had plenty of opportunity to turn to the Lord and be saved, and he has refused the instruction of God's word. There is no more that I can do for him. But man, it will not bode well on the day of judgment for one who has had so much care lavished on him and rejected it.
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News Item1/11/12 12:01 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Re: NYP

Why is this one nuisance guy being allowed to dominate the forums? He is clearly loving the attention, and it does not appear that he wants to engage in any meaningful way, because he brings every thread to the same subject matter viz. RCC being the true church blah blah blah!

He is clearly a Jesuit imp peoples. We should not pander to his rhetoric!

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News Item1/11/12 11:33 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Not you pope wrote:
Yes, they did do something else:
(a.) Moses made the brazen serpent by order of God.
(b.) They gazed up at that brazen serpent by order of God.
Work isn't sin.
Faith and work is the message (twice) here.
You're not thinking, nyp.

God has done THE WORK. He provided a substitutionary sacrifice, and now all the poor man has to do is LOOK, and he will have ETERNAL LIFE.

Your pride is keeping you from the simplest thing that even little children can accomplish. And great sinners like myself. And having received so great salvation by simply looking to Jesus, you are now trying to burden me up with all sorts of rubbish. This makes you my enemy, you do realise that, don't you?

Observe and learn. This text is self explanatory, and you should have no difficulty seeing what it says.

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
John 6:29 KJV

Moses (under God) made the brazen serpent.

God sent his only begotten Son.

Those who do not perish are those who look at God's provision with the humbled eye of faith.

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News Item1/11/12 11:32 AM
for not your pope  Find all comments by for not your pope
Moses obeyed a command, the work you say he did was commanded by God for a purpose, Moses saved no one. Did people look to Moses to be healed, or did they look to the serpent on the pole? Why were the people bitten? Because they sinned. What was the cure? They were told to look to something, in this case, a serpent on a pole. Is Christ not who sinners look to for salvation? You fail to properly understand the teaching here, all you see is that somebody did this, and another did that, and that's why they were saved. That is all surface understanding, but it isn't at all what is being taught. Works save no one, only trusting solely in the finished work of what Christ has done will save.

Were the people healed because Moses did a work, or were they healed because Moses obeyed God? God is behind all this...

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News Item1/11/12 11:24 AM
Not you pope  Find all comments by Not you pope
for not you pope wrote:
Moses making the serpent is NOT a work.
Moses hand carves a snake, then makes a pole, buys a nail and hammer and nails them together -- and this is not work?

Also, Moses makes this graven image that the afflicted Christian faithful (likely on their knees or prostrate) gaze at in faith and are cured of their disease (sin).

But when the Christian Church makes a statue (such as a Nativity Scene featuring the baby Jesus) which is merely a window to things unseen (just like this snake), then this very Christian Church is somehow engaged in gross idolatry?

Hmmm.

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News Item1/11/12 11:07 AM
for not you pope  Find all comments by for not you pope
why did they look to the serpent? Numbers 21 unveils the reason why, they knew if they did it would keep them from dying, as Moses was instructed by God. It wasn't a 'work', it was a means to prevent death. Christ is a type and shadow of this serpent, those who look to Him alone will be saved. If you go to the doctor because you need medicine, is that considered a work?

Moses making the serpent is NOT a work, it is obedience to God so those who were bitten would be spared, his 'work' did not save anyone, looking to the serpent on the pole did.

once again....The RCC is the only 'true church'? Then why does it twist God's word? I asked you before, what does Jesus mean in Matthew 23:9 when he commanded us to call no one on earth father? Also, can you give us the answer why the RCC directly violates this command by calling a mortal man 'holy father'? Defend your 'religion' using what you claim you gave us...God's word.

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News Item1/11/12 10:59 AM
Not you pope  Find all comments by Not you pope
John UK wrote:
"Believeth in him". Anything else?
When they were bitten by serpents, did they do anything else?
Yes, they did do something else:

(a.) Moses made the brazen serpent by order of God.
(b.) They gazed up at that brazen serpent by order of God.

Work isn't sin.

Faith and work is the message (twice) here.

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News Item1/11/12 10:41 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Not you pope wrote:
Where did Jesus say or even once imply: "Sola Fide" my brethren?
Brethren??!!

But to answer your question, here is just one of a multitude of answers:

John 3:14-15 KJV
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

"Believeth in him". Anything else?

When they were bitten by serpents, did they do anything else but gaze up at the brazen serpent Moses made by order of God?

Get to it.

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News Item1/11/12 10:26 AM
Not you pope  Find all comments by Not you pope
Observer wrote:
You wont find any brethren on this forum! I think you need to find yourself an RCC website for that.
"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. ***For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:*** ***Not of works***, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Eph 2.4-10
Do you know what quickened means?
Do you know what grace means?
So you know what faith means?
Do you know what it means when it says "not of works"?
You need to be born again to understand spiritual matters!
Where did Jesus say or even once imply: "Sola Fide" my brethren?

Sola Gratia! Yes!

Solus Christus! Yes!

Soli Deo Gloria! Yes!

_____________________

Sola Fide? Nullum.

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News Item1/11/12 10:23 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Not you pope wrote:
..Where did Jesus say or even once imply: "Sola Fide" my brethren?
You wont find any brethren on this forum! I think you need to find yourself an RCC website for that.

"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. ***For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:*** ***Not of works***, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Eph 2.4-10

Do you know what quickened means?

Do you know what grace means?

So you know what faith means?

Do you know what it means when it says "not of works"?

You need to be born again to understand spiritual matters!

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