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MONDAY, DEC 26, 2011  |  31 comments
Pope ushers in Christmas, decries commercialization
Pope Benedict ushered in Christmas for the world's 1.3 billion Roman Catholics on Saturday, urging humanity to see through the superficial glitter and commercialism of the season and rediscover the real significance of the humble birth of Jesus.

The 84-year-old pope, celebrating the seventh Christmas season of his pontificate, also urged that those marking the holiday in poverty, suffering or far from home not be forgotten.


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News Item12/30/11 5:27 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Not your pope wrote:
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However, Luke 2:24 is included in the lectionary readings. But this doesn't necessarily imply that Mary was a sinner:
"Every first-born male must be consecrated to the Lord – and also to offer in sacrifice, in accordance with what is said in the Law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons."
I'm curious: How much of the Bible is read every 3 years from the pulpit in your congregation?
You might ask yourself why you spend so much time finding as much fault as possible with all who are not RC. Genuine believers already know they are sinners. It has been revealed to them. RC's seem to have a different take.

btw, there is no need to imply Mary was a sinner. She was. Her Son is her Savior.

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News Item12/30/11 8:40 AM
xRoman Catholic | Free From Rome  Find all comments by xRoman Catholic
Not your pope wrote:
...Luke 2:24 is included...I'm curios: How much of the Bible...
It is only included in the long form reading - priests choice. My experience was on weekday readings we received the short version of the readings. My advice to you and all reading RCC members is to read all omitted verses and skipped content from the three year rotation. The Lord used what wasn’t read in mass to my saving. I think you will be blessed.

As for how much is read in our service - our pastor knows we are helpless against false teaching if we ourselves do not know the Word. We are all given a bible reading plan that covers the entire bible in 12 months. It is my job to read my bible and know it - and to teach it and read it with my family. God gave me a personal responsibility to search and read the scriptures.

2Ti 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also. 2Ti_3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Timothy was taught by his mother and grandmother - not just by the leaders.

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News Item12/30/11 6:35 AM
Not your pope  Find all comments by Not your pope
xRoman Catholic wrote:
At best you get around 72% of the NT and much less of the OT - around 14% (not counting psalms)
Your statistics are apparently right. I stand corrected.

However, Luke 2:24 is included in the lectionary readings. But this doesn't necessarily imply that Mary was a sinner:

"Every first-born male must be consecrated to the Lord – and also to offer in sacrifice, in accordance with what is said in the Law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons."

I'm curios: How much of the Bible is read every 3 years from the pulpit in your congregation?

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News Item12/30/11 6:16 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
xRoman Catholic wrote:
I used to think the same thing - that the WHOLE bible was read to us if we went to mass seven days a week for three years - sadly - I was wrong (and sorry to say, you are too.)
If you look at the readings over a given week - like this week for example you will see some of the readings do not include all of the verses. Today in the responsorial psalm they omit verse 4 and part of verse 5 that says: "he is to be feared above all gods.
Psa 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. Ps 96:1-2a, 2b-3, 5b-6
Odd how they omit something like that isn't it?
The Gospel reading for this friday is Luke 2:22,39-40. If they skip verses 23-38 they do not make them up in another reading later on in the cycle - you just "miss it".
The content of the missed verses is most interesting - Luk 2:24 - Mary, a sinner, offered a sin offering according to the law.
You are missing a lot of the Bible in Mass
At best you get around 72% of the NT and much less of the OT - around 14% (not counting psalms)
xRoman Catholic
Thanks for the reference.
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News Item12/29/11 11:22 PM
xRoman Catholic | Free From Rome  Find all comments by xRoman Catholic
Not your pope wrote:
....1,000,000 devout Catholics at daily Mass who hear the Bible read cover-to-cover (all 73 books) every 3 years...
I used to think the same thing - that the WHOLE bible was read to us if we went to mass seven days a week for three years - sadly - I was wrong (and sorry to say, you are too.)

If you look at the readings over a given week - like this week for example you will see some of the readings do not include all of the verses. Today in the responsorial psalm they omit verse 4 and part of verse 5 that says: "he is to be feared above all gods.
Psa 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens. Ps 96:1-2a, 2b-3, 5b-6
Odd how they omit something like that isn't it?
The Gospel reading for this friday is Luke 2:22,39-40. If they skip verses 23-38 they do not make them up in another reading later on in the cycle - you just "miss it".

The content of the missed verses is most interesting - Luk 2:24 - Mary, a sinner, offered a sin offering according to the law.

You are missing a lot of the Bible in Mass

At best you get around 72% of the NT and much less of the OT - around 14% (not counting psalms)

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News Item12/29/11 1:35 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
not an Independent wrote:
You didn't find that in 1 John.
It sure does not state in 1 John or anywhere else in the Bible that church membership and that includes membership in Fundamentalist Protestant Churches has anything to do with salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven and that Jesus will look at church membership in determining who will enter Heaven. In fact the Bible states that one must become Born Again to enter Heaven. And Romans 10:9-10 states that if one confesses Jesus with their mouth and believes in their heart that God had raised Jesus from the dead that one will be saved. According to Baptist, Pentecostal and other Fundamentalist Protestant teaching that means to receive Jesus as ones Personal Lord and Savior. But no, you Fundamentalist Protestants believe that one who becomes Born Again has to become a member of a Fundamentalist Protestant Church or else they will not be saved. That is totally against what the Bible states on how one becomes saved.
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News Item12/29/11 11:47 AM
not an Independent  Find all comments by not an Independent
John Yurich USA[/AUTHOR. The only thing that Jesus will look at is that the individual standing before Him had received Him as their Personal Lord and Savior.
You didn't find that in 1 John.
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News Item12/29/11 10:59 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
not an Independent wrote:
J. Y. When the people of Israel were waviering between two opinions because that vile man Ahab and his devil worshipping wife were high in place and the wicked walked freely on everyside, the prophet Elijah told them simply, "How long will ye halt ye between two opinions? If the Lord be God follow Him: if Baal then follow him. Read 1Kings 18 prayerfully. Read 1 John the test of true Christianity. If you seek the God of Scriptures face that is where you will find Him.
I just saw the most heart wrenching video made by a physically sick youth, he was deceived though he believed in God and angels. He died shortly after he made the video, and if he had no more light then the video evidenced, it was without the Lord Jesus Christ. I felt sick after watching it.
What church someone belongs to is totally superfluous to ones savlation and them gaining entrance into Heaven after passing away as long as the church worships Jesus as God. The only thing that Jesus will look at is that the individual standing before Him had received Him as their Personal Lord and Savior.
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News Item12/29/11 9:58 AM
not an Independent  Find all comments by not an Independent
J. Y. When the people of Israel were waviering between two opinions because that vile man Ahab and his devil worshipping wife were high in place and the wicked walked freely on everyside, the prophet Elijah told them simply, "How long will ye halt ye between two opinions? If the Lord be God follow Him: if Baal then follow him. Read 1Kings 18 prayerfully. Read 1 John the test of true Christianity. If you seek the God of Scriptures face that is where you will find Him.

I just saw the most heart wrenching video made by a physically sick youth, he was deceived though he believed in God and angels. He died shortly after he made the video, and if he had no more light then the video evidenced, it was without the Lord Jesus Christ. I felt sick after watching it.

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News Item12/29/11 9:17 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Michael Hranek wrote:
John Yurich
"Words Only Words"
Anyone who is in Christ is a new creation NOT somekind of Catholic Non-denominational sin loving obedience hating hybrid.
BTW Get it right the Holy Spirit convicts of sin NOT to emptily mouth the words of a sinnner's prayer to imagine they can save their skin from the the flames of hell BECAUSE they said the "magic" prayer that gurantees them heaven no matter how evil and unrepented of the sin they continue to live in and for is.
Why do you Fundamentalist Protestants believe that when everybody stands before Jesus that the subject of church membership will enter the equation as to who will be permitted to enter Heaven? The Bible and basic Baptist, Pentecostal and other Fundamentalist Protestant teaching declares that when everybody stands before Jesus that He will only look at whether the individual standing before Him had received Him as their Personal Lord and Savior.

If I only adhere to the scriptural Catholic doctrines, renounce and repudiate the unscriptural Catholic doctrines and only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass then how can I be living in sin? Because you Fundamentalist Protestants believe that nobody can be saved unless they belong to a Fundamentalist Church?

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News Item12/29/11 8:49 AM
Not your pope  Find all comments by Not your pope
Show me one Protestant who's read the Bible through and I'll show you 1,000,000 devout Catholics at daily Mass who hear the Bible read cover-to-cover (all 73 books) every 3 years.

Whoever these priests are who allegedly almost never read the Bible, they're not Roman Catholic.

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News Item12/29/11 5:23 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
CJW wrote:
I knew a man who had entered a RCC seminary to become a priest, but was never allowed a single time to read the Word of God. I have heard RCC priest's say that they have read the Bible once and do not need to read it again. It seems that Roman Catholicism holds God's Word as something secondary and nonessential, not reverred by the Roman Catholic church as being the infallible, inerrant Word of God as has been said by John Yurich.
CJW
IMHO all of us desperately need to read and study our own Bibles humbly, prayerfully and in faith meditate on what God Himself teaches and says to us continually for ourselves to live by it NOT what anyone else claims its says for us, or we who profess to believe the Bible could end up behaving every bit as bad as the worst of Roman Catholics apart from the severe loving corrective discipline of the Father.

After all did not Jesus Himself tell the devil:

"It is written, man shall not live on bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God."

Richard Bennett's testimony here on SermonAudio From Catholicism to Christ tells what he experienced in Catholic Seminary.

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News Item12/29/11 4:39 AM
CJW | Philippines  Find all comments by CJW
I knew a man who had entered a RCC seminary to become a priest, but was never allowed a single time to read the Word of God. I have heard RCC priest's say that they have read the Bible once and do not need to read it again. It seems that Roman Catholicism holds God's Word as something secondary and nonessential, not reverred by the Roman Catholic church as being the infallible, inerrant Word of God as has been said by John Yurich.
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News Item12/28/11 3:04 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John Yurich USA wrote:
I was prompted
John Yurich
"Words Only Words"

Anyone who is in Christ is a new creation NOT somekind of Catholic Non-denominational sin loving obedience hating hybrid.

BTW Get it right the Holy Spirit convicts of sin NOT to emptily mouth the words of a sinnner's prayer to imagine they can save their skin from the the flames of hell BECAUSE they said the "magic" prayer that gurantees them heaven no matter how evil and unrepented of the sin they continue to live in and for is.

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News Item12/28/11 2:43 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, come on John Y.! You know better than that! Roman Catholic Tradition holds even a higher position than the Bible. The Religion of Rome is made of anti-Biblical practices such as foot kissing.
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News Item12/28/11 2:08 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Michael Hranek:It is basic teaching of the RCC that the Holy Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word Of God. That is what is taught in all religious education classes in the RCC.

I was prompted by the Holy Spirit during that Altar Call at my brothers Non Denominational Church to pray to Jesus and ask Him to become my Personal Lord and Savior, which I did. And according to the teachings of that Non Denominational Church, the Baptist Church, Pentecostal Churches praying to Jesus and asking Him to become ones Personal Lord and Savior is the ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION. Church membership in any church be it Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mainline Protestant and Fundamentalist Protestant is totally superfluous to salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven. And when everybody stands before Jesus after they pass away the subject of church membership will not enter the equation as to who will be permitted to enter Heaven. The only thing that Jesus will look at is that the individual standing before Him had received Him as their Personal Lord and Savior. That is the teaching of the Baptist Church, Pentecostal Church and other Fundamentalist Protestant Churches.

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News Item12/28/11 12:38 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John Yurich USA wrote:
Are you implying

The Holy Bible is revered by the Catholic Church as being the inerrant and infallible Word Of God.

John Yurich
"Words Only Words"

First, the RCC does NOT revere the Bible as being the inerrant and infallible Word of God OR THEY WOULD REPENT

The RCC reveres Tradition and abuses and twists Scripture to justify their IDOLATRY (a sin of those who hate Jehovah) unbelief and disobedience to God, even to slaughtering untold numbers of people who rejected their false teaching in the Inquisition and other persecutions as well.

And you our (quote) friend have repeatedly justified your own open willfull disobedience to the Word of God repeatedly here on SermonAudio despite uncounted warnings of how those who call Jesus, 'Lord, Lord' but do not do the will of God will not inherit the kingdom of God no matter how many supposed (quote) sinner's prayers they have said BECAUSE apparently in your case it was never to be saved from sins only a wishful fantasy of make believe that somehow you might go to heaven when you die while you live in unrepentant sin agains the One who died for you.

It has been said, 'God does NOT save a man from hell, until He first saves him from sin.'

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News Item12/28/11 9:55 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Michael Hranek wrote:
John Yurich
As Mike NY posted to 'Nor your pope' imho the same thing can be said to you, "Words Only Words."
Are you implying that I was not taught and encouraged by my parents growing up to read the Bible? You have got some nerve stating that I am lying.

If Catholics are not encouraged to read the Holy Bible then why are there Bible studies in every Catholic Church? And every Catholic family owns a Holy Bible.

The Holy Bible is revered by the Catholic Church as being the inerrant and infallible Word Of God.

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News Item12/28/11 9:46 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John Yurich USA wrote:
What a bunch of insane nonsense that Catholics are not taught to read the Holy Bible. I was taught and encouraged by my parents when I was growing up to read the Holy Bible. I read the Bible so much growing up that I am so familiar with the layout of the Bible that I am able to go to any book in the Bible within a matter of seconds.
John Yurich
As Mike NY posted to 'Nor your pope' imho the same thing can be said to you, "Words Only Words."
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News Item12/28/11 9:39 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Mike wrote:
Words. Only words. Why? In my 3 decades as an RC defender, I was never taught to study the Bible, but rather have tiny bits of it "taught" to me by this religion that fears and ignores what it says, and wants all her children to be fearful and ignorant as well.
If you truly want to know what it says, humbly pray the Lord directly, asking him to open your eyes that you may see.
What a bunch of insane nonsense that Catholics are not taught to read the Holy Bible. I was taught and encouraged by my parents when I was growing up to read the Holy Bible. I read the Bible so much growing up that I am so familiar with the layout of the Bible that I am able to go to any book in the Bible within a matter of seconds.
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