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TUESDAY, DEC 13, 2011  |  42 comments
Monarchy changes do ‘raise questions’ about C of E head
A proposal that would allow future heirs to the throne to marry Roman Catholics raises questions about the monarch’s position as the head of the Church of England, MPs have said.

MPs in a House of Commons Committee were looking into the implications of the change announced in October by David Cameron.

There are worries that the change could lead to pressure to disestablish the Church of England – something which critics are concerned would further marginalise Christians.


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that depends  Find all comments by that depends
Scone wrote:
I wonder what your "perception" consists of?
However do not worry since the 'true' Church has and will be only a Remnant.
Some travel, communicating with other brethren who love not the world, nor the things of the world. Enough to deny themselves, take up their cross and follow their Master. In most cases they have been greatly humbled by God's mighty hand and are waiting to be lifted up, as they observe fellow strugglers, desiring to be faithful. They are dependent on one anothers prayers. They have to some degree seen Satan's malice against their households and perceive others may resonably expect it. Grateful brethren for the gracious condescension of the Son of God, and son of man. I often remind myself Christ alone condescended as perfect humanity to serve us. We are brethren, all sinners by nature and practise, with no right to think of ourselves more highly then we ought to think, sober reflection gives me concern for the remnant whose good is ordinarily promoted by a settled state of the Church. I do not see a settled state, rather I see from my limited perspective a loving Father's rod and chastening is grievous according to Hebrews 12. Papists violate the second commandment, yes. But don't forget 1John5:21
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News Item12/14/11 4:44 PM
Chip barm  Find all comments by Chip barm
Scone wrote:
1) You worked that out all by yourself. Wow!
2) Good job the english kings were "perfect" eh? Thats how you managed to get Rowan Williams and of course Prince Charles who should make a real difference for you. Of course after the Scottish kings ruling the english you got the German house to rule over you. Whats up with the english?
1) Not at all, some of us don't think we are god. It simply requires a teachable spirit and an education.

2) You missed out the Dutch, and next of course the Greeks and Danes. Unfortunately, we bound our succession by tortuous treaties to stop Scotland going it alone and bankrupting themselves again. Access was Scotland's all too flexible friend for sure!
Since when did you think the ABC was royalty?

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News Item12/14/11 4:31 PM
Scone  Find all comments by Scone
Chip barm wrote:
1) You don't have to be a jock to know that.
2) It was downhill for us all when a Scot took the throne, and the plague of Romanists was unleashed on us again.
1) You worked that out all by yourself. Wow!

2) Good job the english kings were "perfect" eh? Thats how you managed to get Rowan Williams and of course Prince Charles who should make a real difference for you. Of course after the Scottish kings ruling the english you got the German house to rule over you. Whats up with the english?

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News Item12/14/11 4:12 PM
Chip barm  Find all comments by Chip barm
Scone wrote:
"Scone" is a place in Scotland where kings were crowned.
You don't have to be a jock to know that.

It was downhill for us all when a Scot took the throne, and the plague of Romanists was unleashed on us again.

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News Item12/14/11 4:05 PM
Scone  Find all comments by Scone
Chip barm wrote:
Only when a scone is a doughnut.
"Scone" is a place in Scotland where kings were crowned.
However
Tis true to say;
"Seems to be a few sympathisers of the satanic, idolatrous, Roman Catholic anathema around here."
___________

that depends wrote:
I am concerned by what I see in the best Reformed Churches, in every nation, but especially in the UK.
I wonder what your "perception" consists of?
However do not worry since the 'true' Church has and will be only a Remnant. And after all it is invisible.

The RCC is far more worldly, insidious and unBiblical therfore will be loved much more by the world.

"Jn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

"1Jn 2.15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him"

The papists really LOVE their relics don't they!!

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News Item12/14/11 2:55 PM
that depends  Find all comments by that depends
Chip barm wrote:
Indeed. That demonstrates that there is currently a perjuror and/or an oath-breaker on the throne.
But some scone thinks we can ignore all that just so long as we rant a bit against popery.
The times in which we live I fear are not understood without a Spirit taught understanding of both the Old and New Testament Scripture, together with a dependence on God's gifts to his Church. It is not dfficult to see the fruit of coming out of one's place,calling and station and usurping the Ministerial office of interpreting Scripture beyond that which is necessary for salvation. I don't believe the Lord has left us without what is necessary for each of us to know; what has already been attained by so great a cloud of witnesses, that we would please Him by obeying his commandments and loving those who buy the truth and sell it not. As His purchased possession the least of his saints are kings and priests to our God. "But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight. Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips."
Psalm16:3-4
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News Item12/14/11 1:35 PM
Chip barm  Find all comments by Chip barm
that depends wrote:
That depends on what you think keeping the Pope out looks like. It would appear to you that means a professing Protestant on the throne. So if the professing Protestant Monarch looks like the politically correct majority of professing Protestants these days, you're safe from papal interference in Church and State? What about the 1980 and the more recent papal invite, harmless politics? Really?
Indeed. That demonstrates that there is currently a perjuror and/or an oath-breaker on the throne.

But some scone thinks we can ignore all that just so long as we rant a bit against popery.

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News Item12/14/11 1:11 PM
that depends  Find all comments by that depends
That depends on what you think keeping the Pope out looks like. It would appear to you that means a professing Protestant on the throne. So if the professing Protestant Monarch looks like the politically correct majority of professing Protestants these days, you're safe from papal interference in Church and State? What about the 1980 and the more recent papal invite, harmless politics? Really?

Scone, I am concerned by what I see in the best Reformed Churches, in every nation, but especially in the UK. I encourage you to read George Hutchenson on Zephaniah and consider, I have recently in Sabbath preparation, it was a very humbling assessment of what the end of God's patients with the nation of Israel looked like and there were striking similarities to our times.

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News Item12/14/11 11:31 AM
Chip barm  Find all comments by Chip barm
Scone wrote:
I told you so!!
"Seems to be a few sympathisers of the satanic, idolatrous, Roman Catholic anathema around here."
Only when a scone is a doughnut.
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News Item12/14/11 11:23 AM
Scone  Find all comments by Scone
Chip barm wrote:
False.
Logically, The Oath requires the monarch to either be a "faithful protestant" or a perjurer.
I told you so!!

"Seems to be a few sympathisers of the satanic, idolatrous, Roman Catholic anathema around here."

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News Item12/14/11 11:17 AM
Chip barm  Find all comments by Chip barm
Scone wrote:
Seems to be a few sympathisers of the satanic, idolatrous, Roman Catholic anathema around here.
"The Coronation Oath makes clear that the Throne is Protestant:
False.

Logically, The Oath requires the monarch to either be a "faithful protestant" or a perjurer.

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News Item12/14/11 11:04 AM
Scone  Find all comments by Scone
Seems to be a few sympathisers of the satanic, idolatrous, Roman Catholic anathema around here.

"The Coronation Oath makes clear that the Throne is Protestant: "I do solemnly, and in the presence of God profess, testify, and declare, that I am a faithful Protestant, and that I will, according to the true intent of the enactments which secure the Protestant succession to the Throne of my Realm, uphold and maintain the said enactments to the best of my power according to law."

The enactments referred to are, of course, the Bill of Rights of 1689 and the Act of Settlement of 1701. The British Monarchy official website states, "The succession to the throne is regulated not only through descent, but also by statute; the Act of Settlement confirmed that it was for Parliament to determine the title to the throne. The Act laid down that only Protestant descendants of Princess Sophia . . . are eligible to succeed. Subsequent Acts have confirmed this. Parliament, under the Bill of Rights and the Act of Settlement, also laid down various conditions which the Sovereign must meet. A Roman Catholic is specifically excluded from succession to the throne; nor may the Sovereign marry a Roman Catholic" (FPC Scotland Mag)

We must keep the satanic antichrist Pope and his minions out.

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News Item12/13/11 4:52 PM
that depends  Find all comments by that depends
Neil wrote:
Please see below.
The double post was not intentional. When first posted, the reply was I posted last. I wasn't the last poster, so I cut and pasted and tried again. Computer glich?

You answered as you saw fit. The other poster answered for himself. Not all who profess Christ watch movies, so his association didn't register. I was not familiar with the man mentioned so that didn't clear it up for me.

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News Item12/13/11 4:33 PM
Liz Battenburg  Find all comments by Liz Battenburg
that depends wrote:
Could you name the 15 Commonwealth Nations under the Queen to which you refer?
Google is your friend, as is wikipedia.

Elizabeth II (Elizabeth Alexandra Mary, born 21 April 1926[note 1]) is the constitutional monarch of 16 sovereign states known as the Commonwealth realms: the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis. As Head of the Commonwealth, she is the figurehead of the 54-member Commonwealth of Nations; as the British monarch, she is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.

Of course she is actually Elizabeth I in all those 15 other countries (that united under the Scottish crown!) plus Scotland.

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News Item12/13/11 4:24 PM
that depends  Find all comments by that depends
Scot wrote:
"What has maintained the Act of Settlement on the Statute book to date is not the fact that there was widespread support for it amongst our governors, but rather that our forebears made the Protestant Constitution so watertight that it would be very difficult to undo it!
The Bill of Rights of 1689, The Coronation Oath of 1689, The Act of Settlement of 1701 and The Act of Union of 1707 all uphold the Protestant Constitution and Throne. In short, no less than nine Acts would need to be repealed. On top of this, fifteen Commonwealth Countries of which the Queen is Head of State...
Upon how one looks at the Resolution Settlement now wouldn't it? There was 'A Protestation and Testimony Against the Incorporating Union with England. 1707
Lev. 25:23; Hosea 7:11 made by the United Societies of the Witnessing Remnant of the Anti-Popish, Anti-Prelatick, Anti-Erastian, Anti-Sectarian, true Presbyterian Church of Christ in Scotland against the sinful incorporating Union with England concluded and established May 1707 now wasn't there?

Could you name the 15 Commonwealth Nations under the Queen to which you refer?

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News Item12/13/11 4:20 PM
Stevadore  Find all comments by Stevadore
that depends wrote:
Neither did I understand that which was implied by another poster's refrence to Princess Diana's Muslim chariot of fire. I found it a strange combination, like oil and water. Islam and Roman Catholicism not so much but the reference to Elijah's transport didn't fit. Is that poster one of the 'us' you are referring to?
Diana did not become a Catholic. In her final days she was closer to Islam with her fornication with Dodi Al-Fayed - the Executive Producer of every Christian's favourite film: Chariots of Fire.
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News Item12/13/11 4:11 PM
alternatively  Find all comments by alternatively
Expo wrote:
What happens when (ho ... hum ... yawn) nobody cares about enforcing these acts and laws? Apathy will undo every one of these locks.
Sorry we are boring you!

What happens when (ho ... hum ... yawn) nobody cares about enforcing the Bible and God's laws? Apathy will undo every one of these locks.

I guess that is when God admits defeat too.

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News Item12/13/11 4:01 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Expo wrote:
What happens when (ho ... hum ... yawn) nobody cares about enforcing these acts and laws? Apathy will undo every one of these locks.
Exactly so, just as with the American Constitution (which in some ways resembles the 1653 Instrument of Gov't). It is just a scrap of paper to oathbreakers. "Living Document" is Newspeak for "Dead Document."
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News Item12/13/11 3:54 PM
Expo  Find all comments by Expo
Scot wrote:
"What has maintained the Act of Settlement on the Statute book to date is not the fact that there was widespread support for it amongst our governors, but rather that our forebears made the Protestant Constitution so watertight that it would be very difficult to undo it!
The Bill of Rights of 1689, The Coronation Oath of 1689, The Act of Settlement of 1701 and The Act of Union of 1707 all uphold the Protestant Constitution and Throne. In short, no less than nine Acts would need to be repealed. On top of this, fifteen Commonwealth Countries of which the Queen is Head of State would also have to enact similar legislation. Even with minimal or no opposition the parliamentary time involved would be colossal. Repeal would also touch on the establishment of the National Church which could lead to other problems for the Government." (Chris Richards) (FPC Scot Mag)
What happens when (ho ... hum ... yawn) nobody cares about enforcing these acts and laws? Apathy will undo every one of these locks.
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News Item12/13/11 3:51 PM
Scot  Find all comments by Scot
"What has maintained the Act of Settlement on the Statute book to date is not the fact that there was widespread support for it amongst our governors, but rather that our forebears made the Protestant Constitution so watertight that it would be very difficult to undo it!

The Bill of Rights of 1689, The Coronation Oath of 1689, The Act of Settlement of 1701 and The Act of Union of 1707 all uphold the Protestant Constitution and Throne. In short, no less than nine Acts would need to be repealed. On top of this, fifteen Commonwealth Countries of which the Queen is Head of State would also have to enact similar legislation. Even with minimal or no opposition the parliamentary time involved would be colossal. Repeal would also touch on the establishment of the National Church which could lead to other problems for the Government." (Chris Richards) (FPC Scot Mag)

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