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Choice News FRIDAY, DEC 9, 2011  |  95 comments
Michelle Duggar Miscarries: 'I Feel Like My Heart Broke Telling My Children'

The Duggars were given heartbreaking news on Thursday.

According to People, during a routine check-up where Jim Bob and Michelle were supposed to find out the sex of their 20th child, their doctor was unable to find the baby's heartbeat. Michelle was told that she had miscarried in her second trimester.

"After the appointment, we came back home and told the children," the 45-year-old mother of 19 told the mag. "We had just been talking about baby names last night and they were getting excited about naming a boy or a girl. It has been a real sad disappointment."

Jim Bob also released a statment confirming the tragic news to Access Hollywood , saying, "Earlier today at a routine doctor's appointment, Michelle and I received the sad news that we lost the baby. Michelle is resting comfortably at home with the support of the entire family. We are grateful for all the thoughts and prayers, but ask ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Tony Cisneros your ranting proves nothing, why don't you attack your own pastor then?

"For one to believe that God inspired the King James Version of the Bible, he would be espousing Catholic or charsmatic theology. Both groups theologically believe that God can and does still "speak" today, either though the papal office "ex cathedra," or by way of a "a word of knowledge," supposedly used to more perfectly and accurately pronounce and define God's will for man. Kindly put, that theological position is heresy to those of us who believe that the Words of Scripture were ended with the completion of John's finished manuscript of The revelation approximately 95-100 A.D." ---Jack Schaap, Pastor 1st Baptist Church, Hammond,Ind., from his book, --- Where are We Going?

Any Bible that isn't in contemporary English shouldn't be used in a church, anyway, just one of the many complaints of the AV, q.v., Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions

No repeating an untruth long enough won't make it any more true, just more people may believe in that nonsense.

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News Item1/1/12 3:18 PM
King James Bible ONLY Catholic  Find all comments by King James Bible ONLY Catholic
**HAVE A PROBLEM READING THE TRUTH ?

AS I'VE NO PROBLEM RE-STATING THE TRUTH 70Xs7, 200Xs20 OR 144,000Xs14,400 !

TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY CATHOLICS & TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY PROTESTANTS NEED TO BIBLICLY & HISTORICLY TAKE BACK THE NAME & TITLE "CATHOLIC" !

AS "JESUITS" CONTINUE TO DUPE THE LOST & "PROTESTANTS" INTO BELIEVING "CATHOLIC" MEANS "SATANIC+VATICAN" & VISA-VERSA !

AS IN TODAY'S "SOCIETY" WITH THE KJ-BIBLE WORD "GAY" !

"MAKING" GOOD EVIL & EVIL GOOD !

"WELCOME TO CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY...

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613-738-2942
Staff/Leaders

President:BishopSATheriault,PhD,ThD,MPast,Ch
Director:Rev.RButterworth,SPB
Director:Rev.WG.Dionne,MA,LTh,DCr

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More information & pictures at following church site:

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State of Illinois
Kankakee County

At a meeting of the (French-Canandian) inhabitants of St.Ann in Kankakee County, State of Illinois, on the 3rd day of September 1859...given at the Chapel of the Christian Catholic Church Of St.Ann...a religious society,

-on a motion of REVEREND CHARLES CHINIQUY, seconded by Desire Drolet, Louis Mercier was elected President." !

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News Item1/1/12 3:06 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
jmon, No, we don't understand everything that Tony Cisneros says, using the moniker King James Bible ONLY Catholic in this instance. No Catholic would be using the AV, except perhaps as a reference work. An interesting article in the "Catholic Answers" had an interesting comment on Bible versions, and on the whole an interesting article as well.
Catholic Answers wrote:
What many advocates of both King James-onlyism and Douay-Rheims-onlyism do not know is that neither Bible is the original issued in the 1600s. Over the last three centuries, numerous minor changes (for example, of spelling and grammar) have been made in the King James, with the result that most versions of the KJV currently on the market are significantly different from the original. This has led one publisher to recently re-issue the 1611 King James Version Bible.
excerpt found in, Catholic Answers -- Bible Versions It did give good advice about reading the Carson book, King James Version Debate By D. A. Carson which you can find at many find Protestant book stores--such as this one.
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News Item12/21/11 5:11 PM
King James Bible ONLY Catholic  Find all comments by King James Bible ONLY Catholic
HAVE A PROBLEM RE-READING THE TRUTH ?

*AS I'VE NO PROBLEM RE-STATING THE TRUTH 70Xs7, 200Xs20 OR 144,000Xs14,400 !

TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY CATHOLICS & TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY PROTESTANTS NEED TO BIBLICLY & HISTORICLY TAKE BACK THE NAME & TITLE "CATHOLIC" !

AS "JESUITS" CONTINUE TO DUPE THE LOST & "PROTESTANTS" INTO BELIEVING "CATHOLIC" MEANS "SATANIC+VATICAN" & VISA-VERSA !

AS IN TODAY'S "SOCIETY" WITH THE KJ-BIBLE WORD "GAY" !

"MAKING" GOOD EVIL & EVIL GOOD

"WELCOME TO CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY...
Canada
613-738-2942

Staff/Leaders
President:BishopSATheriault,PhD,ThD,MPast,Ch
Director:Rev.RButterworth,SPB
Director:Rev.WG.Dionne,MA,LTh,DCr

SOLI DEO HONOR & GLORIA

CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY ORGANIZED & FIRST BOARD OF TRUSTEES ESTABLISHED (1859)

More information & pictures at following church site:

CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC RITE OF COMMUNITY CHURCHES (CCRCC)
http://ccrcc.ca

State of Illinois
Kankakee County

At a meeting of the (French-Canandian) inhabitants of St.Ann in Kankakee County, State of Illinois, on the 3rd day of September 1859...given at the Chapel of the Christian Catholic Church Of St.Ann...a religious society,

-on a motion of REVEREND CHARLES CHINIQUY, seconded by Desire Drolet, Louis Mercier was elected President..." !

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News Item12/21/11 4:35 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Not so Simple wrote:
God is good. I can understand why you might have come to the conclusions you did regarding me and what I believe, after I posted that article. Sorry and I promise to be more careful in the future. All the best to you.
And all the best to you, my brother. I hope you haven't been put off posting by my blundering.

Have you read that most excellent story by Baptist Bunyan called the "Pilgrim's Progress" and written from his prison cell?

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News Item12/20/11 2:36 PM
Not so Simple  Find all comments by Not so Simple
John UK wrote:
Aha! Then I apologise again for mistaking what you wrote. You see how good God is in sanctifying us, through tribulations and misunderstandings, brethren arguing with each other when they believe exactly the same thing? I believe there is a purpose to our little exchange, probably to show me that I've caught a minor infection off Presby and need to get back on the narrow way before it lays me low. I don't want to end up in a nursing home in Kilmarnock.
Thanks for the chat, it is all in the sovereign will of God.
God is good. I can understand why you might have come to the conclusions you did regarding me and what I believe, after I posted that article. Sorry and I promise to be more careful in the future. All the best to you.
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News Item12/20/11 11:57 AM
King James Bible ONLY Catholic  Find all comments by King James Bible ONLY Catholic
HAVE A PROBLEM RE-READING THE TRUTH ?

TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY CATHOLICS & TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY PROTESTANTS NEED TO BIBLICLY & HISTORICLY TAKE BACK THE NAME & TITLE "CATHOLIC" !

AS "JESUITS" CONTINUE TO DUPE THE LOST & "PROTESTANTS" INTO BELIEVING "CATHOLIC" MEANS "SATANIC+VATICAN" & VISA-VERSA !

AS IN TODAY'S "SOCIETY" WITH THE KJ-BIBLE WORD "GAY" !

"MAKING" GOOD EVIL & EVIL GOOD

AS THE "JESUIT(IC)S" WHO'VE BEEN POSTING JUST TO IGNORE THE WHOLE TRUTH & KJBOC !

"WELCOME TO CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY...
Canada
613-738-2942

Staff/Leaders
President:BishopSATheriault,PhD,ThD,MPast,Ch
Director:Rev.RButterworth,SPB
Director:Rev.WG.Dionne,MA,LTh,DCr

SOLI DEO HONOR & GLORIA

CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY ORGANIZED & FIRST BOARD OF TRUSTEES ESTABLISHED (1859)

More information & pictures at following church site:
CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC RITE OF COMMUNITY CHURCHES (CCRCC)
http://ccrcc.ca

State of Illinois
Kankakee County

At a meeting of the (French-Canandian) inhabitants of St.Ann in Kankakee County, State of Illinois, on the 3rd day of September 1859...given at the Chapel of the Christian Catholic Church Of St.Ann...a religious society,

-on a motion of REVEREND CHARLES CHINIQUY, seconded by Desire Drolet, Louis Mercier was elected President." !

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News Item12/20/11 11:55 AM
jmon | USA  Find all comments by jmon
King James Bible ONLY Catholic wrote:
TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY CATHOLICS & TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY PROTESTANTS NEED TO BIBLICLY & HISTORICLY TAKE BACK THE NAME & TITLE "CATHOLIC" !
AS "JESUITS" CONTINUE TO DUPE THE LOST & "PROTESTANTS" INTO BELIEVING "CATHOLIC" MEANS "SATANIC+VATICAN" &
Sir, I have no problem with the KJV, but you're cluttering the comments section unnecessarily. We understand what you are trying to say, but you don't have to continue to post every other comment.
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News Item12/19/11 9:06 PM
Not so Simple  Find all comments by Not so Simple
Faith thus receiving and resting on Christ and his righteousness, is the alone instrument of justification; yet it is not alone in the person justified, but is ever accompanied with all other saving graces, and is no dead faith, but worketh by love. (LBCF — Chapter XI: Of Justification)

These good works, done in obedience to God's commandments, are the fruits and evidences of a true and lively faith…( LBCF — Chapter XVI: Of Good Works)

“although justification is by grace alone through faith alone, a justifying faith is “not alone in the person justified, but is ever accompanied with all other saving graces, and is no dead faith, but works by love.” That is, saving faith will yield good works… Justifying faith is not faith plus works (as in Roman Catholicism), nor is it faith without works (as in antinomianism); it is faith that works. The works, however, are not works of merit … The Genevan Reformer, John Calvin, stressed the importance of both justification and sanctification (which involves “necessary” good works). According to Calvin, justification and sanctification are inseparably related; sanctification necessarily flows from justification:” (excerpt taken from: Justification by Faith Alone, Gary Crampton)

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News Item12/19/11 7:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Not so Simple wrote:
I did not! I will repost what was said:
"John UK wrote:
You reckon that a sinner could "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ" and be saved for a while, but end up in hell.
I said "But just to let you know I don't believe any such thing"
IOW I don't believe one can lose their salvation
Aha! Then I apologise again for mistaking what you wrote. You see how good God is in sanctifying us, through tribulations and misunderstandings, brethren arguing with each other when they believe exactly the same thing? I believe there is a purpose to our little exchange, probably to show me that I've caught a minor infection off Presby and need to get back on the narrow way before it lays me low. I don't want to end up in a nursing home in Kilmarnock.

Thanks for the chat, it is all in the sovereign will of God. But I must away to the Land of Nod, as I have an early start tomorrow.

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News Item12/19/11 6:27 PM
Not so Simple  Find all comments by Not so Simple
John UK wrote:
But when I agreed, saying, "Yes, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt assuredly be in heaven" you replied that you could not accept that.
I did not! I will repost what was said:

"John UK wrote:
You reckon that a sinner could "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ" and be saved for a while, but end up in hell.

I said "But just to let you know I don't believe any such thing"

IOW I don't believe one can lose their salvation

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News Item12/19/11 6:11 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Not so Simple wrote:
1. I haven't stated anything contrary to that.
I already told you that was a mistake. Have you never made a mistake?
Why would i start with the 1689 baptist confession? I didn't even think of it.
Actually in my first post I recommended John Gill and matthew Henry's comments.
Sure, I've made more mistakes than you have, simply because I'm older. This is why the doctrine of "justification through faith alone in Christ alone" is so important. If that were not true, none of us would be saved.

The answer to my earlier question: "What must I do to be saved?" you replied, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."

But when I agreed, saying, "Yes, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt assuredly be in heaven" you replied that you could not accept that. So you can see why I am a little hesitant to accept your testimony. Maybe if you could explain what you meant, it would clear the air somewhat, eh? Is faith in Christ's work sufficient to get me to heaven? Or isn't it?

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News Item12/19/11 5:57 PM
King James Bible ONLY Catholic  Find all comments by King James Bible ONLY Catholic
TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY CATHOLICS & TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY PROTESTANTS NEED TO BIBLICLY & HISTORICLY TAKE BACK THE NAME & TITLE "CATHOLIC" !

AS "JESUITS" CONTINUE TO DUPE THE LOST & "PROTESTANTS" INTO BELIEVING "CATHOLIC" MEANS "SATANIC+VATICAN" & VISA-VERSA !

LIKE IN TODAY'S "SOCIETY" WITH THE KJ-BIBLE WORD "GAY" !

"MAKING" GOOD EVIL & EVIL GOOD !

LIKE THE "JESUIT(IC)S" WHO'VE BEEN POSTING JUST TO IGNORE THE WHOLE TRUTH & KJBOC !

"WELCOME TO CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY
30 Briermorr
Ottawa, ON KIT 3G7
Canada
613-738-2942

Staff/Leaders
President:BishopSATheriault,PhD,ThD,MPast,Ch
Director:Rev.RButterworth,SPB
Director:Rev.WG.Dionne,MA,LTh,DCr

SOLI DEO HONOR & GLORIA

CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY ORGANIZED & FIRST BOARD OF TRUSTEES ESTABLISHED (1859)

More information & pictures at following church site:

CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC RITE OF COMMUNITY CHURCHES (CCRCC)
http://ccrcc.ca

State of Illinois
Kankakee County

At a meeting of the (French-Canandian) inhabitants of St.Ann in Kankakee County, State of Illinois, on the 3rd day of September 1859...given at the Chapel of the Christian Catholic Church Of St.Ann...a religious society,

-on a motion of REVEREND CHARLES CHINIQUY, seconded by Desire Drolet, Louis Mercier was elected President..." !

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News Item12/19/11 5:52 PM
Not so Simple  Find all comments by Not so Simple
John UK wrote:
2. Right, we can. And our works will neither diminish nor increase the perfect righteousness which we have in Christ, and with which we shall get to heaven, having had our sins forgiven.
3. Reformed Baptist, check out the website I post with and recommend.
Well you did say, "Maybe you should have asked first instead of jumping on it so quickly, condemning me as a heretic."
If you had said you were a 1689 Baptist at the commencement ......
Instead, you recommend the entire world to learn from an heretical article written by an heretical cult, who have their own spin on the Strait and Wide Gate teaching of Jesus.
1. I haven't stated anything contrary to that.

I already told you that was a mistake. Have you never made a mistake?

Why would i start with the 1689 baptist confession? I didn't even think of it.

Actually in my first post I recommended John Gill and matthew Henry's comments.

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News Item12/19/11 5:43 PM
King James Bible ONLY Catholic  Find all comments by King James Bible ONLY Catholic
TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY CATHOLICS & TRUE K-J-BIBLE-ONLY PROTESTANTS NEED TO BIBLICLY & HISTORICLY TAKE BACK THE NAME & TITLE "CATHOLIC" !

AS "JESUITS" CONTINUE TO DUPE THE LOST & "PROTESTANTS" INTO BELIEVING "CATHOLIC" MEANS "SATANIC+VATICAN" & VISA-VERSA !

*LIKE IN TODAY'S "SOCIETY" WITH THE KJ-BIBLE WORD "GAY" !

"MAKING" GOOD EVIL & EVIL GOOD !

"WELCOME TO CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY
30 Briermorr
Ottawa, ON KIT 3G7
Canada
613-738-2942

Staff/Leaders
President:BishopSATheriault,PhD,ThD,MPast,Ch
Director:Rev.RButterworth,SPB
Director:Rev.WG.Dionne,MA,LTh,DCr

SOLI DEO HONOR & GLORIA

CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY ORGANIZED & FIRST BOARD OF TRUSTEES ESTABLISHED (1859)

More information & pictures at following church site:

CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC RITE OF COMMUNITY CHURCHES (CCRCC)
http://ccrcc.ca

(Transcription from the original document kept in Kankakee District Court, Illinois)

State of Illinois
Kankakee County

At a meeting of the (French-Canandian) inhabitants of St.Ann in Kankakee County, State of Illinois, on the 3rd day of September 1859...given at the Chapel of the Christian Catholic Church Of St.Ann...a religious society,
-on a motion of REVEREND CHARLES CHINIQUY, seconded by Desire Drolet, Louis Mercier was elected President..." !

81

News Item12/19/11 5:36 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Not so Simple wrote:
2. Right, but we have been given a longer time so we can work out our salvation...by the grace of God as the bible teaches.
3. why do you want to know? Reformed Baptist and your choice?
2. Right, we can. And our works will neither diminish nor increase the perfect righteousness which we have in Christ, and with which we shall get to heaven, having had our sins forgiven.
3. Reformed Baptist, check out the website I post with and recommend.
Well you did say, "Maybe you should have asked first instead of jumping on it so quickly, condemning me as a heretic."
If you had said you were a 1689 Baptist at the commencement ......
Instead, you recommend the entire world to learn from an heretical article written by an heretical cult, who have their own spin on the Strait and Wide Gate teaching of Jesus.
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News Item12/19/11 5:30 PM
King James Bible ONLY Catholic  Find all comments by King James Bible ONLY Catholic
BIBLE-ONLY CATHOLICS & TRUE BIBLE-ONLY PROTESTANTS NEED TO BIBLICLY & HISTORICLY TAKE BACK THE NAME & TITLE "CATHOLIC" !

THE "JESUITS", SINCE THE 1500s, DUPED THE LOST & "PROTESTANTS" INTO BELIEVING "CATHOLIC" MEANS "SATANIC+VATICAN" & VISA-VERSA !

**LIKE THEY DID IN THE '60s WITH THE BIBLICAL WORD "GAY" !**

"MAKING" GOOD EVIL & EVIL GOOD !

"WELCOME TO CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY
30 Briermorr
Ottawa, ON KIT 3G7
Canada
613-738-2942

Staff/Leaders
President:BishopSATheriault,PhD,ThD,MPast,Ch
Director:Rev.RButterworth,SPB
Director:Rev.WG.Dionne,MA,LTh,DCr

SOLI DEO HONOR & GLORIA

CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY ORGANIZED & FIRST BOARD OF TRUSTEES ESTABLISHED (1859)

More information & pictures at following church site:

CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC RITE OF COMMUNITY CHURCHES (CCRCC)
http://ccrcc.ca

(Transcription from the original document kept in Kankakee District Court, Illinois)

State of Illinois
Kankakee County

At a meeting of the (French-Canandian) inhabitants of St.Ann in Kankakee County, State of Illinois, on the 3rd day of September 1859...given at the Chapel of the Christian Catholic Church Of St.Ann...a religious society,

-on a motion of REVEREND CHARLES CHINIQUY, seconded by Desire Drolet, Louis Mercier was elected President..." !

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News Item12/19/11 5:25 PM
Not so Simple  Find all comments by Not so Simple
John UK wrote:
1. Correct.
2. Well it would have been rather difficult for that saved man to work out his salvation (sanctification) with fear and trembling, seeing as he only had an hour to live, and was pinned to a cross. Imagine that, a whole lifetime of sinning, thieving and being generally disagreeable, and in his dying moments he calls Jesus Lord, asks him to remember him, and shortly he is in heaven as a saint. You see, it only takes a few choice words.
3. Correct.
4. And your choice of church?
2. Right, but we have been given a longer time so we can work out our salvation...by the grace of God as the bible teaches.

3. why do you want to know? the closest would be Reformed Baptist with a few differences. Your choice?

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News Item12/19/11 5:18 PM
King James Bible ONLY Catholic  Find all comments by King James Bible ONLY Catholic
BIBLE-ONLY CATHOLICS & PROTESTANTS ALA ABRAHAM LINCOLN, CHARLES CHINIQUY, KJBOC NEED TO BIBLICLY & HISTORICLY TAKE BACK THE NAME & TITLE "CATHOLIC" !

THE "JESUITS", SINCE THE 1500s, DUPED THE LOST & "CHRISTIANS" INTO BELIEVING "CATHOLIC" MEANS "SATANIC+VATICAN" & VISA-VERSA !

*LIKE THEY DID IN THE 1960s WITH THE BIBLICAL WORD "GAY" !

"WELCOME TO CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY
30 Briermorr
Ottawa, ON KIT 3G7
Canada
613-738-2942

Staff/Leaders
President:BishopSATheriault,PhD,ThD,MPast,Ch
Director:Rev.RButterworth,SPB
Director:Rev.WG.Dionne,MA,LTh,DCr

SOLI DEO HONOR & GLORIA

CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SOCIETY ORGANIZED & FIRST BOARD OF TRUSTEES ESTABLISHED (1859)

More information & pictures at following church site:
CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC RITE OF COMMUNITY CHURCHES (CCRCC)
http://ccrcc.ca

(Transcription from the original document kept in Kankakee District Court, Illinois)

State of Illinois
Kankakee County

At a meeting of the (French-Canandian) inhabitants of St.Ann in Kankakee County, State of Illinois, on the 3rd day of September 1859...given at the Chapel of the Christian Catholic Church Of St.Ann...a religious society,

-on a motion of REVEREND CHARLES CHINIQUY, seconded by Desire Drolet, Louis Mercier was unanimously elected President..." !

77

News Item12/19/11 5:09 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Not so Simple wrote:
1. Maybe you should have asked first instead of jumping on it so quickly, condemning me as a heretic.
2. The dying thief was saved and went to heaven with the Lord. What does this have to do with working out our salvation with fear and trembling.
3. yes
1. Correct.
2. Well it would have been rather difficult for that saved man to work out his salvation (sanctification) with fear and trembling, seeing as he only had an hour to live, and was pinned to a cross. Imagine that, a whole lifetime of sinning, thieving and being generally disagreeable, and in his dying moments he calls Jesus Lord, asks him to remember him, and shortly he is in heaven as a saint. You see, it only takes a few choice words.
3. Correct.
4. And your choice of church?
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