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SATURDAY, DEC 3, 2011  |  21 comments  |  1 commentary
Senate Approves Bill that Legalizes Sodomy and Bestiality in U.S. Military

The Senate on Thursday evening voted 93-7 to approve a defense authorization bill that includes a provision which not only repeals the military law on sodomy, it also repeals the military ban on sex with animals--or bestiality.

On Nov. 15, the Senate Armed Services Committee had unanimously approved S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act, which includes a provision to repeal Article 125 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

Article 125 of the UCMJ makes it illegal to engage in both sodomy with humans and sex with animals. ...


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News Item12/9/11 3:55 AM
Cezar | Midwest  Find all comments by Cezar
People were saying this would not be a slippery slope to bestiality.

Guess Christians were correct again.

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News Item12/8/11 9:39 PM
Poppy5  Find all comments by Poppy5
This must mean that Barney Frank has broadened his horizons and the Senate has recognized his political influence over them.
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News Item12/5/11 12:48 AM
Don Randolph | Arizona  Find all comments by Don Randolph
I must be reading a different article. I thought this one dealt with sodomy and bestiality. I have never read that these were justified.
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News Item12/4/11 8:30 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
RP wrote:
Some time ago now, I read the most helpful paper by a Doctor of Divinity on what constitutes as Just War. There were four things necessary. The one that stands out to me in this context is that the nation waging war has to itself be just. God used Assyria in the OT as well as Babylon, as the rod of his anger against those who were his people in national Israel, in name only.
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There is no arguing God uses different rods to achieve his purposes. But I would hesitate to call Assyria or Babylon in any way just nations.

Isaiah 10:5-7
O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.
I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few."

Isaiah 10:12 "Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks."

A just war with unjust nations participating.

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News Item12/4/11 4:21 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
Some time ago now, I read the most helpful paper by a Doctor of Divinity on what constitutes as Just War. There were four things necessary. The one that stands out to me in this context is that the nation waging war has to itself be just. God used Assyria in the OT as well as Babylon, as the rod of his anger against those who were his people in national Israel, in name only. He preserved a remnant but they didn't have it easy at that time of God's visitation for national sins. Consider the case of Jeremiah and company and his Lamentations. They later found themselves in Egypt, even after being left behind in Israel by the Babylonian Military Commander. It is unlikely just wars are being fought during a time of apostasy or falling away, yet God is on His throne and He can only be perfectly Just. How important it is to understand the exceeding sinfulness of sin and that God deals in eternal realities as being far superior compared to temporal sorrows working all things for good to those who love Him. There are consequence of sins entering into the world and being continued in after light has been given? Gen.18:25 Look what happened after Abraham's
intercession. All nations that forget about God; like Sodom and Gomorrah need to fear and repent like Nineveh of old.
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News Item12/4/11 3:18 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
All Christians, in the military or not, have a duty not to be allies with wickedness. Whether in the physical realm or the Spiritual realm, take heartfelt consideration with your support.

Job 28:28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

If we are guilty of murder when we hate our neighbor, what crime are we guilty of when we allow or encourage our militaries to shed blood?

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News Item12/3/11 4:41 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Mike wrote:
Define unjust cause. Who decides?
Ultimately God. In the present, a Christian must determine God's will and how God will judge according to the dictates of the Holy Bible. The question becomes then, does the Holy Bible declare it to be just to invade another man's house or nation who has done nothing to harm your property or person then bomb and shoot its inhabitants and occupy their land? If the answer is yes, that is just, then the soldier will be on the side of right. If the answer is that is unjust, then the soldier will be in trouble with the Lord.
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News Item12/3/11 4:35 PM
Josiah Jeremiah | the united states of the whore  Find all comments by Josiah Jeremiah
American, Nazi or anyone else who kills at someone's command - the murderous spirit is the same. As noted already, how are you determining lawful and unlawful? And how do you determine who in "government" is responsible? Surely all the individuals will be playing the well-intentioned, it's-not-my-fault blame game as well until it finally just gets put on the devil. Been going on for a long time, Adam blames Eve, Eve blames the serpent.

It appears the ones who are terrorizing the world with a religious ideology are the Americans.

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James R Hamilton wrote:
American military personnel are hardly to be equated with the Nazis. We are talking about military personnel obeying lawful orders not unlawful ones. Neither are they trying to take over Europe or anywhere else, simply trying to help others find the same freedom they enjoy, from the evil of a murderous religious ideology that terrorises the whole world at this time in history.
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News Item12/3/11 3:05 PM
Pierrepoint  Find all comments by Pierrepoint
Mike wrote:
Define unjust cause. Who decides?
The better question would be - by what objective standard?

Anyone and everyone must decide, but there is only one objective standard that all must obey.

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News Item12/3/11 2:58 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Rufus wrote:
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If the cause is unjust, then resistance to the unjust cause is a Biblical necessity.
Define unjust cause. Who decides?
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News Item12/3/11 2:41 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
John Knox has very thoroughly addressed this subject that Rufus eludes to for posterity. It was known and believed amongst us for a long time, thanks to Mr. Knox. but since those days much has come in to confuse and distract.

This was a point driven home to me not only by WCF LC Q.192, but as a teenager, in a practical way. My Mother came home one evening very upset. The new traffic arrows had been first installed, in a busy college intersection where she worked. She saw a red arrow? In her mind, the arrow said: Go this way, the red color said: No. She was uncertain. She was in a hurry to get home, so she went. Behind her, the police. When she claimed, that she didn't know what it meant to the officer, he still gave her a ticket. I remember my Dad saying: Margaret, ignorance of the law is no excuse. I never forgot. This is a far more serious issue, I grant but I think the point is clear. We can't let sin and Satan confuse the real issues.

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News Item12/3/11 1:58 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
James R Hamilton wrote:
I'm sorry but you are totally wrong. Military personnel may, acting on their own, may be at times guilty of murder. But acting under the authority of their government, they are not guilty of murder at all. A military person is under authority, the ones who are accountable are those who send them, i.e., the government. If this cause is unjust, then they the state will answer to God for the outcome. But military personnel have simply to obey the orders of their government, I repeat, they are not murderers! Your comment and signature I find rather offensive.
Those that are guilty of transgressing the Lord's commands will be guilty of their transgressions. They will not be pardoned for suggesting that they were ordered to transgress. 153 soldiers engaged in the unjust cause of coming against God and his prophet Elijiah. 102 of them were destroyed by fire and not one of them will be able to stand and say, "I was just following orders." If the cause is unjust, then resistance to the unjust cause is a Biblical necessity.
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News Item12/3/11 1:30 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
The Reformed Presbytery in this nation has for many years taught political dissent among their members. They cannot take an oath of allegiance to a National Constitution that does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord. The silence of its deist framers which was after a Covenanted Reformation in the three kingdoms of Scotland, England and Ireland whose posterity the 13 original colonies were, were not ignorant of these things nor these National vows to God. We were the posterity of these nations or plantations as we were spoken of the in the Directory for Worship in the WCF in the section entitled prayer before the sermon.

Matthew 10:32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Christians cannot vow to uphold a deists pluralistic pagan Constitution without denying Christ. They must dissent.

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News Item12/3/11 1:29 PM
Pierrepoint  Find all comments by Pierrepoint
James R Hamilton wrote:
I'm sorry but you are totally wrong. Military personnel may, acting on their own, may be at times guilty of murder. But acting under the authority of their government, they are not guilty of murder at all. A military person is under authority, the ones who are accountable are those who send them, i.e., the government.
As noted by JJ this doctrine is contrary to the legal doctrine that saw Nazis and others pay for their war crimes and crimes against humanity.

It is also contrary to biblical maxim formed from the oft quoted:

"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

Christians are also men under authority, and the greatest authority is God.

Accordingly I find your comment very offensive and a repudiation of your office.

Edit: And now you are advocating one standard for assessing the actions of defeated Germans (not all of whom were Nazis obviously) and another for Americans. This is the sin of partiality.

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News Item12/3/11 1:25 PM
James R Hamilton | Staffordshire, England, UK  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by James R  Hamilton
Josiah Jeremiah wrote:
And so cried the Nazis...
"but Lord Lord..."
I'm glad my comment is offensive, as your heart needs some piercing.
American military personnel are hardly to be equated with the Nazis. We are talking about military personnel obeying lawful orders not unlawful ones. Neither are they trying to take over Europe or anywhere else, simply trying to help others find the same freedom they enjoy, from the evil of a murderous religious ideology that terrorises the whole world at this time in history.
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News Item12/3/11 1:06 PM
Josiah Jeremiah | the united states of the whore  Find all comments by Josiah Jeremiah
And so cried the Nazis...

"but Lord Lord..."

I'm glad my comment is offensive, as your heart needs some piercing.

James R Hamilton wrote:
I'm sorry but you are totally wrong. Military personnel may, acting on their own, may be at times guilty of murder. But acting under the authority of their government, they are not guilty of murder at all. A military person is under authority, the ones who are accountable are those who send them, i.e., the government. If this cause is unjust, then they the state will answer to God for the outcome. But military personnel have simply to obey the orders of their government, I repeat, they are not murderers! Your comment and signature I find rather offensive.
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News Item12/3/11 12:54 PM
James R Hamilton | Staffordshire, England, UK  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by James R  Hamilton
Josiah Jeremiah wrote:
No surprise here considering the military cult murders innocent people in the name of a false god.
I'm sorry but you are totally wrong. Military personnel may, acting on their own, may be at times guilty of murder. But acting under the authority of their government, they are not guilty of murder at all. A military person is under authority, the ones who are accountable are those who send them, i.e., the government. If this cause is unjust, then they the state will answer to God for the outcome. But military personnel have simply to obey the orders of their government, I repeat, they are not murderers! Your comment and signature I find rather offensive.
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News Item12/3/11 12:45 PM
Josiah Jeremiah | the united states of the whore  Find all comments by Josiah Jeremiah
No surprise here considering the military cult murders innocent people in the name of a false god.
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News Item12/3/11 12:29 PM
James R Hamilton | Staffordshire, England, UK  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by James R  Hamilton
Elise wrote:
Halfway down the article it says " When the reader stops laughing, the reader needs to ask the question whether or not this is in the best interests of the government,in the best interests of the military and the best interests of the country? I think not " laugh! laugh! What is there to laugh at we should all be weeping. Every new day something worse seems to be put forward and passed.
You're right Elise, there's cause for weeping here, not laughter. These are the things that must come to pass for our Lord to return, but they are days whilst we wait for dawning sackcloth & ashes, deep repentance amongst God's own folk and seeking his face like never before. "Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!" (Jeremiah 9:1).
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News Item12/3/11 11:38 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Elise wrote:
Halfway down the article it says " When the reader stops laughing, the reader needs to ask the question whether or not this is in the best interests of the government,in the best interests of the military and the best interests of the country? I think not " laugh! laugh! What is there to laugh at we should all be weeping. Every new day something worse seems to be put forward and passed.
Well said. These are the most sober of times and save for things that are pure, we should be laughing at nothing but rather be of great sorrow.

The content of the article is pitiful. I am glad for it only in the sense that it is adding clarity to the evil that the leadership of the U.S. gov't embarks upon on a daily basis and it adds clarity to the reality that it is past time for Christians to flee the U.S. military.

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