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THURSDAY, NOV 17, 2011  |  31 comments  |  1 commentary
Church music wars battle for souls with song

In many U.S. churches today, worship musicians bang the drums for God and singers croon as if Christ were their boyfriend.

Bye-bye to Be Thou My Vision, a sixth-century Irish hymn with century-old English lyrics. Godspeed, Amazing Grace.

Nearly 50% of Protestant churches now say they use electric guitars or drums in worship, up from nearly 35% in 2000, according to the recently released Faith Communities Today study of 14,000 congregations.


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News Item11/20/11 6:17 PM
24 th chance | Chicago  Find all comments by 24 th chance
What about worshipping the lord with" psalms, hymns , and spiritual songs" drums ?? Not with guitars, drums and rock and roll.
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News Item11/18/11 11:42 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
theWayPA wrote:
Oh, I think I see what you are saying. Not condemnation of a particular style NECESSARILY (although that certainly is debatable, as I do think there are certain types of "music" that do not glorify our Lord based on musical attributes), but of the idea that only Psalms can be sung. I do believe that this attitude (like many others) can lead to idolatry (NOTE: NOT singing Psalms, but singing Psalms with a heart of self-righteousness or legalism), but I also think there is something to be said about singing God's Word and how it is the PERFECT lyric! Got it, sorry for misunderstanding!
theWayPa
I appreciate the post back.
You have said it well God's Word is the Perfect lyric.
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News Item11/18/11 10:18 PM
theWayPA  Find all comments by theWayPA
Michael Hranek wrote:
theWayPa
Did you miss what I was seeking to communicate? We have the wonderful powerful words, given to us by God Himself, in the Psalms and the rest of Scripture BUT they have no musical score accompanying them.
So if someone is Psalms only, they have to make one up if they are to sing them. PLEASE follow closely here or you will miss it
Just because someone "sings" Psalms only doesn't guarentee that they are necessarily worshipping God, seeking to IMITATE the music the world uses to worship their false gods and glorify their sins illustrates this (Deut 12:30; James 4:4)
I've no desire to buy into the misconceptions Psalms Only brings
Oh, I think I see what you are saying. Not condemnation of a particular style NECESSARILY (although that certainly is debatable, as I do think there are certain types of "music" that do not glorify our Lord based on musical attributes), but of the idea that only Psalms can be sung. I do believe that this attitude (like many others) can lead to idolatry (NOTE: NOT singing Psalms, but singing Psalms with a heart of self-righteousness or legalism), but I also think there is something to be said about singing God's Word and how it is the PERFECT lyric! Got it, sorry for misunderstanding!
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News Item11/18/11 10:17 PM
Sapphy | Toronto  Find all comments by Sapphy
Dats nice
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News Item11/18/11 4:10 PM
EP too  Find all comments by EP too
EP wrote:
Sola Scriptura is reading the Bible from the pulpit.
Scripture Alone is singing songs from the Bible.
To the extent that a church deviates from this formal principle of the Reformation is neither safe nor right.
Ah, we are sharing my old moniker. This is another EP not the previous one, FYI
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News Item11/18/11 2:55 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John UK wrote:
Try it Jim.
I guarantee you that if you put your rave worship into a plainchant, you will suddenly realise that your emotions were mainly affected, not by the words of truth, but by powerful and emotional music. Non-believers experience exactly the same thing; how well I remember the Hawkwind concerts I used to attend in the 70's.
Ah, John, I can guarantee you Rock 'n Roll only effect me in one way, as I love to describe it, --Simple Music for Simple Minds!

I have already given the Bible verses that support not only singing but for those who only understand Elizabethan---

Psalms 98
4Make a joyful noise unto Jehovah, all the earth: Break forth and sing for joy, yea, sing praises. 5Sing praises unto Jehovah with the harp; With the harp and the voice of melody. 6With trumpets and sound of cornet Make a joyful noise before the King, Jehovah. 7Let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof; The world, and they that dwell therein; 8Let the floods clap their hands; Let the hills sing for joy together 9Before Jehovah; For he cometh to judge the earth: He will judge the world with righteousness, And the peoples with equity.---ASV

I hope that the NASB will put it differently.

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News Item11/18/11 2:29 PM
consider  Find all comments by consider
Emotional music, ornate surroundings, and peace, peace when there is not peace appeals to the flesh. Anyway who can afford it these days? Apparently some can.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/catholics-buying-bankrupt-mega-church-crystal-cathedral-143659110.html

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News Item11/18/11 12:21 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
John Yurich USA wrote:
The lyrics are communication. If the lyrics praise Jesus and or taken directly from the Bible then how can Contemporary Christian Music be evil?
What Kenny said.

Plus...

I'll add that the Beatles, Eagles, Led Zeppelin et al were heavily influenced by the Satanist Aleister Crowley. Before the music came from the dark jungles, it was the music of a dark musician.

"13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created." - Ezekiel 28:13

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News Item11/18/11 11:43 AM
kenny | marietta, georgia  Find all comments by kenny
John Yurich,

It can be and IS evil because it's based on a rhythmic style that originated in the dark jungles of Africa and moved to the Mississippi Delta with the slaves and called (once in the States) 'the blues'. It was a noise up until then unknown to a mostly Christian & western culture. Elvis, the Beatles and many others adopted it, prostituted it for profit and sold it to young people. Now those young people have grown up, moved it into the churches and they call it 'worship'. It's worship alright but not of a Holy God. They even 'rap' in churches now which means they've pretty much come full cicle.

I'll be made fun of and ridculed for saying this because that's a rock & roller's only defense but I do not care. What I've said here is 100% true. I do know what I am talking about.

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News Item11/18/11 9:01 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Rufus wrote:
Music is communication. Rock and roll communicates rebellion and fornication (regardless of the lyrics). You can't slap sweet lyrics into an evil tune and call it good. You may as well place a jewel in a swine's snout.
The lyrics are communication. If the lyrics praise Jesus and or taken directly from the Bible then how can Contemporary Christian Music be evil?
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News Item11/18/11 6:41 AM
EP  Find all comments by EP
Sola Scriptura is reading the Bible from the pulpit.
Scripture Alone is singing songs from the Bible.
To the extent that a church deviates from this formal principle of the Reformation is neither safe nor right.
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News Item11/18/11 6:23 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
theWayPA wrote:
To Michael Hranek:
"Words without the music are just that words. And again not to be disrespectful and certainly absolute no blasphemy even hinted at BUT without the appropriate 'music' to sing the Words of Psalms someone is liable to put them to modern hard rock/hip hop and rap tunes, something that ought to be quite offensive to any believer."
So, if I understand you correctly, if modern hard rock/hip hop and rap tunes do not offend the believer, is there then something wrong with their walk with the Lord? And if so, could you please provide the Scriptures that substantiate this claim?
theWayPa
Did you miss what I was seeking to communicate? We have the wonderful powerful words, given to us by God Himself, in the Psalms and the rest of Scripture BUT they have no musical score accompanying them.

So if someone is Psalms only, they have to make one up if they are to sing them. PLEASE follow closely here or you will miss it

Just because someone "sings" Psalms only doesn't guarentee that they are necessarily worshipping God, seeking to IMITATE the music the world uses to worship their false gods and glorify their sins illustrates this (Deut 12:30; James 4:4)

I've no desire to buy into the misconceptions Psalms Only brings

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News Item11/17/11 8:53 PM
theWayPA | Pennsylvania  Find all comments by theWayPA
To Michael Hranek:
"Words without the music are just that words. And again not to be disrespectful and certainly absolute no blasphemy even hinted at BUT without the appropriate 'music' to sing the Words of Psalms someone is liable to put them to modern hard rock/hip hop and rap tunes, something that ought to be quite offensive to any believer."

So, if I understand you correctly, if modern hard rock/hip hop and rap tunes do not offend the believer, is there then something wrong with their walk with the Lord? And if so, could you please provide the Scriptures that substantiate this claim?

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News Item11/17/11 7:43 PM
Been There | SC  Find all comments by Been There
Many of these posts are using their 20th century definition of "good" music to defend their tastes and put others down.

We need to discern God's definition of "good" music. In my study, I have not found a required form but a required content. Verses like "new song" and "decently and in order" seem far to generic. How do you know what you are doing (Psalms, Hymns, Choruses) fall into this category?

Take time to listen to the lyrics...

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News Item11/17/11 2:59 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Oh, no, John UK! not a Catholic dirge!
Try it Jim.

I guarantee you that if you put your rave worship into a plainchant, you will suddenly realise that your emotions were mainly affected, not by the words of truth, but by powerful and emotional music. Non-believers experience exactly the same thing; how well I remember the Hawkwind concerts I used to attend in the 70's.

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News Item11/17/11 2:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Oh, no, John UK! not a Catholic dirge!

Psalms 150:1 Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty expanse.
2 Praise Him for His mighty deeds; Praise Him according to His excellent greatness.
3 Praise Him with trumpet sound; Praise Him with harp and lyre.
4 Praise Him with timbrel and dancing; Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe.
5 Praise Him with loud cymbals; Praise Him with resounding cymbals.---NASB

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News Item11/17/11 2:44 PM
Psalms Only  Find all comments by Psalms Only
"Singing of Psalms honours God with our glory, ie our tongue, Ps 108:1, Ps 57:7,8. To the objection that ‚Äúthese gracious effects and fruits of singing Psalms do plead as much for singing and playing with instruments as for singing with voyces,‚ÄĚ Cotton gives several answers, the third of which is of particular interest as providing a main ground for the Puritans‚Äô rejection of instrumental music in worship: ‚ÄúSinging with Instruments, was typical!, and so a ceremoniall worship, and therefore is ceased. But singing with heart and voyce is morall worship, such as is written inthe hearts of all men by nature: As to pray in distress, so when we are merry, and have cause of solemn thanksgiving unto God, then to sing Psalms, which the Holy Ghost by the Apostle James approveth and sanctifieth, James 5:13 Or suppose singing with instruments were not typicall, but only an external solemnitie of worship, fitten to the solace of the outward senses of children under age, (such as the Israelites were under the Old Testament Gal 4:1-3). Yet now in the growne age of the heires of the New Testament, such externall pompous solemnities are ceased, and so external! worship reserved, but such as holdeth forth simplicitie, and gravitie; nor is any voyce now to be heard in the Church" (apuritansmind.com)
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News Item11/17/11 2:31 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Psalms Only wrote:
Music is not required to worship God in fact it never has been used to quote; "WORSHIP" unquote God! God does not require it. Music is more an appeal to the emotions of the sinners.
______________

The Book of Psalms contains psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.
God in His providence provides all our needs to worship Him.
___________
"Since the 18th century, however, a major deviation from the regulative principle in the direction of unbridled subjectivism concerns the musical aspect of the service of worship. The flood of uninspired lyrics commonly miscalled hymns or gospel songs which has inundated a declining Protestant Church has been matched by other musical accompaniments that have transformed Churches into theatres and concert halls featuring preludes, postludes, interludes and who knows what else of the same species?" (apuritansmind.com)

1. True, and a good argument for plainchant. Ever tried it?

2. True.

3. Yes, but a study of the hymns themselves will reveal that some are born out of deep spiritual experience and an understanding of good, sound doctrine, and were written by godly men to the benefit of a multitude of congregations around the world.

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News Item11/17/11 2:27 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Psalms Only, I would like to point out--
American Tract Dictionary of 1859 wrote:
The Hebrew name for this book is TEHILLIM, praises, though many of the psalms are rather elegiac. Most of the psalms have the superscription mizmor, a poem song. This word is rendered in the Septuagint by psalmos, that is, a song sung to music, a lyric poem. The Greek psalterion means a stringed instrument; hence by a metaphor the book of Psalms is called Psalter. For the poetical characteristics of the Psalms, see POETRY....
1. Hymns in praise of Jehovah; tehillim in the proper sense....
2. Temple hymns; sung at the consecration of the temple, the entrance of the ark, etc., or intended for the temple service,...
3. Religious and moral songs of a general character; containing the poetical expression of emotions and feelings, and therefore subjective:...
4. Elegiac psalms, that is, lamentations, psalms of complaint, generally united with prayer for help.
5. Messianic psalms,...
6. Historical psalms,...
So, you can be singing Psalms, even while your dancing.

2 Samuel 6
14 And David was dancing before the LORD with all his might, and David was wearing a linen ephod.---NASB

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News Item11/17/11 2:17 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Psalms Only wrote:
Music is not required to worship God in fact it never has been used to quote; "WORSHIP" unquote God! God does not require it. Music is more an appeal to the emotions of the sinners.
______________

The Book of Psalms contains psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.
God in His providence provides all our needs to worship Him.
___________
...

Does my Baptist Hymnal contain any hymns?
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