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Choice News MONDAY, NOV 14, 2011  |  101 comments  |  1 commentary
Bob Jones III, on Obama, Asks ‘Where Is the Evidence That He Is a Christian?’


Dr. Bob Jones III

In an interview with National Journal, Bob Jones III — chancellor of the fundamentalist Christian university with the same name — offers a wide-ranging interview on the GOP field and questions President Obama’s Christian credentials.

“I have a great distrust for him,” Jones said of the president. “I’ve no reason to think he’s a Christian. … Anyone can say he’s a Christian. Some people will say whatever they think the politically helpful thing would be. I say, ‘Where is the evidence that he is a Christian?’ ”

The Obama campaign declined to comment, but when the president’s Christianity was questioned last year by conservative commentator Glenn Beck and polls indicated a growing percentage of Americans unsure of the president’s faith, then-White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, “The president is a committed, mainstream Christian.” ...


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News Item12/9/11 9:32 AM
Tony Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Cisneros
**Looks Like THE SATANIC+VATICAN "JESUIT(IC)" LIARS & CANKERWORMS "christian first", "former supporter", "jim lincoln" & co. CONTINUE TO PERVERT-TWIST THE TRUTH !

THEY'RE DOING SATAN'S WORK !

YET I'LL FIGHT THEM--BY CHRIST--TO THE DEATH !

OBAMA'S FRUITS SHOW HE'S ANTI-CHRIST ala LIARS & CANKERWORMS "jim lincoln", "former supporter" & co. !

IMPORTANT To U.S. AMERICAN CITIZENS--Especially NATURAL BORN &-OR NATIVIST U.S. CITIZENS--RATHER Is THE ANSWER To THE U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION:

WHERE IS THE BONAFIDE, GENUINE & 'ORIGINAL' EVIDENCE OBAMA IS A NATURAL BORN &-OR NATIVIST U.S. CITIZEN ?**

WHILE TODAY, SHERIFF ARPAIO CONTINUES HIS INTENSE INVESTIGATION OF OBAMA'S ORIGIN: AS MANY REPORT OBAMA'S REALLY THE SON OF A "FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS" !

Truthfully, Honestly & Sincerely Yours,

Tony Cisneros
2002, 2004 & 2012(?) Candidate For Congress
U.S. House Of Representatives
4th-IL

PS:THE PRESS, MEDIA & INTERNET HAVE DONE A "WHITE-WASH" Over THE FACT OBAMA IS NOT A "NATURAL BORN" U.S. CITIZEN: BUT AN EVIL FAKE & PHONEY POSER !

THE ILLEGAL-ALIEN ISSUE IS TIED TO ANTI-CHRISTIAN,
ANTI-U.S.-CONSTITUTION &
ANTI-U.S.-NATURAL-BORN-CITIZEN(SHIP) OBAMA !

*"DEVILS", LIARS & CAMKERWORMS "christian first", "former supporter", "jim lincoln" & co. EXPOSE themselves !

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News Item12/7/11 3:53 PM
Christian first  Find all comments by Christian first
Chuck Phelps, unfortunately is a habitual liar. I mean if you look at Chuck's own website and what he said in court is full of contradictions.

Not all ifb churches are bad, it is just that Vhuck is seriously a sicopsthic liar. As God as my witness, I have no doubt I am 100 percent sure.

As it relates to Bob Jones III, he is Luciferian and it is provable by reading underwoods report that is on google and Undereood worked For BJu but resigned after finding out how Manyason's was on his board in th 80's, how many now, possibly all board members are now masons. Underwood resigned when Bob Jones III would not take them off of the board either. Why would a christian want Luciferian Masons on his board?? Answer is no Christian would. Especially one like bob III, that stated before the 80's that masonry is of the devil. Hmmmmmm?

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News Item12/7/11 2:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Former Supporter, it appears you didn't read, ABC News’ 20/20 Show Lampoons Independent Fundamental Baptists did you? It's hardly a white wash of IFBCs and there are items in the Reformed movement, which Indian Hills Community Church wouldn't agree with, q.v., What to Look for in a Church. I also finally found something that wasn't done by ranters either pro or against B. Jones, et al. and a news item not by the ABC, Willis arrested for 1997 rape.

Poor Tony, you haven't been looking at those t.v. adverts have you? Where if you eat just the right cereal your day would go so much better. But, I'm afraid, your running of at the mouth, with your brain stuck in reverse gear just will never be changed.

If you live in the Chicago area, and are a Christian, you'll want to avoid the likes of Tony, Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists so give, Christian Fellowship Church a try!

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News Item12/7/11 11:22 AM
Tony Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Cisneros
Well, It Looks Like THE SATANIC+VATICAN "JESUIT(IC)" LIARS & CANKERWORMS "former supporter", "jim lincoln" & co. CONTINUE TO PERVERT & TWIST THE TRUTH !

**THEY'RE DOING SATAN'S WORK !

YET I'LL FIGHT THEM--BY CHRIST--TO THE DEATH !

OBAMA'S FRUITS SHOW HE'S ANTI-CHRIST ala LIARS & CANKERWORMS "jim lincoln", "former supporter" & co. !

IMPORTANT To U.S. AMERICAN CITIZENS--Especially NATURAL BORN &-OR NATIVIST U.S. CITIZENS--RATHER Is THE ANSWER To THE U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION:

**WHERE IS THE BONAFIDE, GENUINE & 'ORIGINAL' EVIDENCE OBAMA IS A NATURAL BORN &-OR NATIVIST U.S. CITIZEN ?**

WHILE TODAY, SHERIFF ARPAIO CONTINUES HIS INTENSE INVESTIGATION OF OBAMA'S ORIGIN: AS MANY REPORT OBAMA'S REALLY THE SON OF A "FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS" !

Truthfully, Honestly & Sincerely Yours,

Tony Cisneros
2002, 2004 & 2012(?) Candidate For Congress
U.S. House Of Representatives
4th-IL

PS:THE PRESS, MEDIA & INTERNET HAVE DONE A "WHITE-WASH" Over THE FACT OBAMA IS NOT A "NATURAL BORN" U.S. CITIZEN: BUT AN EVIL FAKE & PHONEY POSER !

THE ILLEGAL-ALIEN ISSUE IS TIED TO ANTI-CHRISTIAN,
ANTI-U.S.-CONSTITUTION &
ANTI-U.S.-NATURAL-BORN-CITIZEN(SHIP) OBAMA !

**THE 2-FACED-DEVILS, LIARS & "JESUIT(IC)" CAMKERWORMS "former supporter", "jim lincoln" & co. EXPOSED themselves !

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News Item12/7/11 12:09 AM
Former Supporter  Find all comments by Former Supporter
Come on everyone. We all know that Bob Jones III and his univeristy is a
Cult.

Cults have a leader, right? There people that believe & drink the cool Aid don't believe that they can do any wrong even when they are seriousley wrong, ie, Chuck - Charles Phelps almost put back on the board of BJU & it took way to long to get easy to follow dots to display the obvious picture that comes from connecting those dots. Chuck is a Conspirator to defend & sustain an evil Rapist using very, very little effort, if really truley at all. While maximizing & doing everything he can do to punish the victim, inject guilt into the innocent victim, Lie to members to ulter the truth as to position the members to comply with the hiding of Tina A. in Chuck Phelps Home until he could swoop her out of state 2,000 miles away, not a town close by where people could visit, Nah, Nah. That is to close for comfort isn't it Bob.

This Board & Bob 3'rd, even though they told Chuck to resign to save their face don't give a Darn about Tina the victim to this date & Bob J III is furious mostly cult members stood up to Big Bob J.3'rd aqnd he is having A Demonic Fit for not getting his way.

Money, Tons Of Money, Power & Fornication with Minors are winked at only.

Got your number - don't I Bob?

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News Item12/6/11 2:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I'm just pointing out Mike in the strange world of legality what the courts and Congress decides is going to be the "truth," it doesn't matter if the real truth coincides that or not.

Hmm, twist the truth Tony, did ABC twist the truth when it pointed out you're pastor was anti-woman?

Bob Hayton wrote:
. . . .Jack Schaap of First Baptist Church of Hammond, IN and Hyles-Anderson College is the only pastor who really gets face time. Three separate times they show him saying demeaning things about women and what have you, . . .
from, ABC News’ 20/20 Show Lampoons Independent Fundamental Baptists and while some of the elements of the Reformed movement needs to be Reformed, this site is a little more balanced than most. (Oh, if you want to avoid both Tony and Jack Schapp and want to go to a Christian church check out, Christian Fellowship Church. Tony, in earlier posts called yourself a Kennite, q.v., Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists, so guess what that makes you.
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News Item12/6/11 8:41 AM
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News Item12/6/11 12:34 AM
Tony Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Cisneros
SPIRITUALLY & WILLFULLY IGNORANT KJB-APOSTATE RACIST KLAN Ala "jim lincoln" & co. CONTINUE TO PERVERT & TWIST THE TRUTH !

THEY'RE ONLY DOING THEIR "JOB", RIGHT ? ! ?

BUT, I'LL FIGHT THEM, BY CHRIST, TO THE DEATH !

OBAMA'S FRUITS SHOW HE'S ANTI-CHRIST ala "jim lincoln", "former supporter (aka PRESENT PERVERTER) & co. !

IMPORTANT To U.S. AMERICAN CITIZENS--Especially "NATURAL BORN" &-OR "NATIVIST" U.S. CITIZENS--RATHER Is THE ANSWER To THE U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION:

"WHERE IS THE BONAFIDE, GENUINE & 'ORIGINAL' EVIDENCE THAT OBAMA IS A "NATURAL BORN" &-OR "NATIVIST" U.S. CITIZEN ?

WHILE TODAY, SHERIFF ARPAIO CONTINUES HIS INTENSE INVESTIGATION OF OBAMA'S ORIGIN: AS MANY REPORT OBAMA'S REALLY THE SON OF A "FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS" !

Truthfully, Honestly & Sincerely Yours,

Tony Cisneros
2002, 2004 & 2012(?) Candidate For Congress
U.S. House Of Representatives
4th-IL

PS:THE PRESS, MEDIA & INTERNET HAVE DONE A "WHITE-WASH" Over THE FACT OBAMA IS NOT A "NATURAL BORN" U.S. CITIZEN: BUT AN EVIL FAKE & PHONEY POSER !

THE ILLEGAL-ALIEN ISSUE IS TIED TO "ANTI-CHRISTIAN,
ANTI-U.S.-CONSTITUTION &
ANTI-U.S.-NATURAL-BORN-CITIZEN(SHIP) OBAMA !

2-FACED-"DEVILS" "jim lincoln" & co. HAVE EXPOSED themselves !

AS HAVE S-A-TANIC+VATICAN "JESUIT(IC)" CANKERWORMS !

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News Item12/5/11 8:14 PM
Former Supporter  Find all comments by Former Supporter
Hi Jim, I agree with your assesment that Chuck Phelps was wrong but he is a Conspirator, which only requires, planning, Lying, Deceiving & trying to say I tried to communicate to police once, they were bad at responcding, rig.

Because it was Conspiracy, lying & hiding important info from members & willing to put the members children in danger of being raped, just Like Tina Anderson. Some kids may never say anything & that is what happens if members aren't warned. So many other victims may & probably exist & we may never know.

Just because 20/20 did a magnificient Job on the details of Chuck Phelps & his cover up but were unfair broad stroking on other issues that offended IFB churches, doesn't mean you don't watch the part of 2020 that shows he conspired to cover up. Chuck Phelps is defiantly unrepentive lying deceiving pastor that hurt for a second time the victim and made the day & or 13 years of freedom for the rapist without due process & Justice for Tina.

Big truth, don't miss this. If Tina would have not come forward Chuck would have never freed her from the shame that Ernest deserved.

Chuck would never wanted to be in Tina shoes, nor you or I. If Chuck's Girl Got jacked Up Raqped, He would have had Ernest @ Police Dept in minutes,forsure. 100% sure

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News Item12/5/11 7:22 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
---
As far as President Obama is concerned, no matter who jealous white racist failures may be of him, the courts and Congress have legally declared him eligible to be President, and the truth is that is all that counts.
But first these messages:

Obama isn't a black man, er, African-American, he's bi-racial. So if someone doesn't like him for a silly race reason, it may be they don't like his white half. But then that wouldn't be racism, would it?

The courts and Congress are a source of truth? Good one, Jim!

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News Item12/5/11 3:16 PM
Tony Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Cisneros
THE SPIRITUALLY & WILLFULLY IGNORANT KJB-APOSTATE RACIST KLAN Ala "jim lincoln" & co. CONTINUE TO PERVERT & TWIST THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH !

I'LL RIGHTEOUSLY FIGHT THEM TO THE END !

OBAMA'S FRUITS SHOW HE'S ANTI-CHRIST ala "jim lincoln", "former supporter (aka PRESENT PERVERTER) & co. !

IMPORTANT To U.S. AMERICAN CITIZENS--Especially "NATURAL BORN" &-OR "NATIVIST" U.S. CITIZENS--RATHER Is THE ANSWER To THE U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION:

"WHERE IS THE BONAFIDE, GENUINE & 'ORIGINAL' EVIDENCE THAT OBAMA IS A "NATURAL BORN" &-OR "NATIVIST" U.S. CITIZEN ?

WHILE TODAY, SHERIFF ARPAIO CONTINUES HIS INTENSE INVESTIGATION OF OBAMA'S ORIGIN: AS MANY REPORT OBAMA'S REALLY THE SON OF A "FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS" !

Truthfully, Honestly & Sincerely Yours,

Tony Cisneros
2002, 2004 & 2012(?) Candidate For Congress
U.S. House Of Representatives
4th-IL

PS:THE PRESS, MEDIA & INTERNET HAVE DONE A "WHITE-WASH" Over THE FACT OBAMA IS NOT A "NATURAL BORN" U.S. CITIZEN: BUT AN EVIL FAKE & PHONEY POSER !

THE ILLEGAL-ALIEN ISSUE IS TIED TO "ANTI-CHRISTIAN,
ANTI-U.S.-CONSTITUTION &
ANTI-U.S.-NATURAL-BORN-CITIZEN(SHIP) OBAMA !

2-FACED-"DEVILS" "jim lincoln" & co. HAVE ALREADY EXPOSED themselves !

AS HAVE S-A-TANIC+VATICAN "JESUIT(IC)" CANKERWORMS !

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News Item12/5/11 2:40 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Hmm, jpw, Tony, "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain and of course both of you also, Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists

FS, I never condoned the actions of Mr. Phelps, that all the public could see on the original "20/20" show, it is obvious that proper discipline was handed out to the adulterer, and this is not speaking at all to the roll of Tina --or her mother-- in the matter. Oh, for operational definition of "over the top" Mr. Cisneros was kind enough to present with yet another example.

As far as President Obama is concerned, no matter who jealous white racist failures may be of him, the courts and Congress have legally declared him eligible to be President, and the truth is that is all that counts.

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News Item12/5/11 12:40 PM
Tony Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Cisneros
THE SPIRITUALLY DEPRAVED KJB-APOSTATE RACIST KLAN Ala "jim lincoln" & co. CONTINUE TO PERVERT & TWIST THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH !

I'LL RIGHTEOUSLY FIGHT THEM TO THE END !

OBAMA'S FRUITS SHOW HE'S ANTI-CHRIST ala "jim lincoln", "former supporter (aka PRESENT PERVERTER) & co. !

IMPORTANT To U.S. AMERICAN CITIZENS--Especially "NATURAL BORN" &-OR "NATIVIST" U.S. CITIZENS--RATHER Is THE ANSWER To THE U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION:

"WHERE IS THE BONAFIDE, GENUINE & 'ORIGINAL' EVIDENCE THAT OBAMA IS A "NATURAL BORN" &-OR "NATIVIST" U.S. CITIZEN ?

WHILE TODAY, SHERIFF ARPAIO CONTINUES HIS INTENSE INVESTIGATION OF OBAMA'S ORIGIN: AS MANY REPORT OBAMA'S REALLY THE SON OF A "FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS" !

Truthfully, Honestly & Sincerely Yours,

Tony Cisneros
2002, 2004 & 2012(?) Candidate For Congress
U.S. House Of Representatives
4th-IL

PS:THE PRESS, MEDIA & INTERNET HAVE DONE A "WHITE-WASH" Over THE FACT OBAMA IS NOT A "NATURAL BORN" U.S. CITIZEN: BUT AN EVIL FAKE & PHONEY POSER !

THE ILLEGAL-ALIEN ISSUE IS TIED TO "ANTI-CHRISTIAN,
ANTI-U.S.-CONSTITUTION &
ANTI-U.S.-NATURAL-BORN-CITIZEN(SHIP) OBAMA !

2-FACED-"DEVILS" "jim lincoln" & co. HAVE ALREADY EXPOSED themselves !

AS HAS THIS S-A-TANIC+VATICAN "JESUIT(IC)" INFILTRATED WEBSITE !

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News Item12/4/11 6:08 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Jim there's your ABSOLUTE obedience (to man) for you, even you cannot live under your own muzzle! You've got so many exception clauses to your own interpretation of Romans 13, its beginning to look like swiss cheese around here! There is only one who deserves absolute reverance.
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News Item12/4/11 5:40 PM
Jerry  Find all comments by Jerry
I have heard from very, very reliable sources and can prove it in court of law if necessary, that the man who may have started Colonial Hills Baptist Church had an(Ernest willis Experience)on the level that Ernest confessed to having at confession night with a well know woman currently in his church.

This man is also on the board at BJU, he is very old now and he pretty much installed Chuck Phelps in his position as Pastor even though, the Deacons did not really know what happened, in that Chuck was being installed and so they rubber stamped the deal.

The woman, that the supposedley the Founding Pastor of Chuck's Church, also has been said to of had an Affair with, still goes to this Church. She is pretty much alone in this church because her family has been splintered over this situation.

I can understand why the pastor that had this experience with this woman did not want to have confession night. So he is still able to hide from this truth but it is widley known at this point, with in the church members, that have been their for say 20 years or more, it's just that no one wants to ever talk about it much.

The woman, I am convinced would not have had the affair if this pastor we are speaking about did what his University and his leader would have said but

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News Item12/4/11 2:58 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Hardly SF John, I'm just pointing out that ex-rulers (notice how they don't say ex-President, because of such secular reverence for Presidents now, the "ex-" is usually dropped. ) But since we are not prohibited from criticizing ex-Presidents, etc. I think such practice falls under the Guidelines for Using Our Liberties. They should be used as examples for study, Now I pointed only a few of ex-President Reagan's failings. Another of course is having the U.S. officially recognize Satan's representative here on earth, The Vatican, this gives us an example of ignoring Christian and Catholics -- never together! though this made him a darling to the Republican Party, which consists of many very strange bedfellows, such as The "Newt" Gingrich, who seems to be ahead in the Iowa polls.

FS, see an operational definition of "Over the top" by reviewing well almost any of Mr. Cisneros' posts. It's a wild statement to say all IFB churches are such and such, on almost anything.

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News Item12/3/11 9:50 PM
Former Supporter  Find all comments by Former Supporter
This is not just about how arrogant Bob Jones is for even begging to try to have such puke out of God's own mouth that Puke is Chuck Charles (Molester and Rapist Friendly Pastor of Colonial Hills Baptist Retard Church) that would also even begin to cal a guy like Chuck Phelps a Pastor. A Pastor of What? Demonic behavior is normal at the IFB Church, Molesters and Rapsit existing in this Church right now. There in all IFB Chucrch and Bob Jones University and Bob Jones III is aware of this also. They sweem every Rape of every Child under any and ervy rug they can find. They asked Chuck Puke Charles Disgusting Phelps, oh I am sorry Doctor is in front of his name, he got that worthless degree at Bob Jones which taught him the ropes on how to sweep Child Rapes Under the rug and how to blend in a known Rapist and Chicld Molester into their Churches with of course not telling anyone about these type being in Church with normal folks. Thats Okay, because Chuck Puke Phelps In his resign statement said that Tina at confession night was sixteen even though Willis Raped her hard and got Tina Anderson Pregant at 15, and so since she was sixteen at confession nighty Charles Puke Chuckie Suckie Phelps said she, Tina was a young women. As if that means the law of statitory didn't matter an
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News Item12/3/11 12:00 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Jim Lincoln wrote:
It seems like God criticized many rulers that he had removed, King Saul, being one. So yes, I'll criticize "Bumbling" Bush, actually I'm being very polite,
When you say it like that it almost sounds like you're elevating yourself to God's level. I could be misunderstanding you, but you sound super-arrogant here. I can tell you're a smart and well-informed guy, but you may need to get over yourself from time to time. Just sayin'
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News Item12/2/11 9:19 PM
Former Supporter  Find all comments by Former Supporter
Jim, you really do dunderstand & I hope this helps show how Sick & fake these people like Chuck Phelps & Bob Jone III really are.

Mr. Phelps's public statements before the trial stand in direct conflict with key parts of his testimony at the trial. That he was involved very deeply in covering up this crime and attempting to intimidate the victim into silence last year in the months leading up to the trial by repeatedly and very publicly calling her a "liar" and characterizing the situation (against his sworn testimony) as an "on-going dating relationship with an older man" is beyond the pale. This is not just poor judgment. It is lying and obstruction of justice.
Since Mr. Phelps fought so very hard to prevent his notes, which had been turned over to the prosecutor without his knowledge, from being admitted into evidence, I firmly believe that he had intended to give false testimony on the stand until he was forced to testify from his notes. There is no veracity left to his claims when you read the reports from the trial. The trial transcript will be available shortly, & we will have the full evidence plainly available for all to see.
By the way, Phelps's testimony revealed that he knew that Tina was raped twice & that the first incident occurred when she was fifteen.

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News Item12/2/11 2:11 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It seems like God criticized many rulers that he had removed, King Saul, being one. So yes, I'll criticize "Bumbling" Bush, actually I'm being very polite, I think he should have been impeached. One thing he didn't bumble was protecting the Oil interests since he is part of that group. Reagan, I have absolutely no use for the wiji (sp?) board using, astrologer consulting President. Oh, he did say he was going to take responsibility Beirut disaster? This means he was going to resign, and of course he never did. Reagan stopped using that phrase, after awhile for that blunder. Oh, and I have certainly pointed out Clinton and Jimbo Carter's failings as well, q.v., Come Clean Carter!.---just show you I'm non-partisan.

Former Supporter, I assume you were referring to a message by TLC? Yes, IHCC believes in forgiveness. But a church leader who has repented, has to prove himself, like any new believer that he is worthy of a position of trust. So, it could be several years before he holds another prominent position. The qualifications for church leaders has to match those of elders, which is quite clear in the Bible.

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