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FRIDAY, OCT 28, 2011  |  8 comments
European Evangelicals Say Debt Crisis is a Moral Not Economic Issue

As European heads of state meet in Brussels for yet another round of talks to address the Eurozone crisis, Evangelical Christians are saying the problem is fundamentally moral, not economic, and that leaders must do their “utmost” to resolve it.

The European Evangelical Alliance (EEA), a coalition of the national Evangelical Alliances of Europe and a number of European mission agencies, told The Christian Post that European leaders must commit to "solidarity" with the countries suffering most, which requires a commitment of financial resources from both public and private sources in wealthier countries.

"They must call economic leaders, steering committees of banks and business leaders to give a better example of stewardship," wrote EEA General Secretary Niek Tramper in an email to CP. He also stated political leaders must "refrain from high bonus incomes, advocating stability and sustainability ...


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News Item10/28/11 11:36 AM
OBX  Find all comments by OBX
Protestants have their "Foxe's Book of Martyrs" whereas the Roman Catholic Church has its List of Saints.

Although, Foxe's Book of Martyrs is a good start, it only remembers those through the early 16th Century. Now, how are Protestants biblically recording and remembering their many saints & martyrs since then?

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News Item10/28/11 11:06 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
OBX wrote:
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"While Catholics are sometimes accused of worshiping images, in violation of the first commandment, the Church says this is a misunderstanding. In the Church's opinion, "the honor paid to sacred images is a 'respectful veneration', not the adoration due to God alone". In the 8th century, heated arguments arose over whether religious icons (in this context paintings) were prohibited by the first commandment. The dispute was almost entirely restricted to the Eastern church; the iconoclasts wished to prohibit icons, while the iconodules supported their veneration, a position consistently backed by the Western Church. At the Second Council of Nicaea in 787, the ecumenical council determined that the veneration of icons and statues was not in violation of the commandment and stated "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."
Is this veneration of dead saints, etc. something which God called for in his written word?
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News Item10/28/11 10:51 AM
religious cunning  Find all comments by religious cunning
Thirdle wrote:
BTW Is there a CCC which provides RCC/Vatican authority to reject the 2nd Commandment (graven images)??
How its done;
CCC 2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim.

CCC 2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.

CCC 2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it." The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:

(Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, ... The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is)

RC Sleight of hand

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News Item10/28/11 10:21 AM
OBX  Find all comments by OBX
"The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender." (Proverbs 22:7)

Slavery is a moral issue.
Death is a moral issue.
Government usury drives these moral issues.

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"While Catholics are sometimes accused of worshiping images, in violation of the first commandment, the Church says this is a misunderstanding. In the Church's opinion, "the honor paid to sacred images is a 'respectful veneration', not the adoration due to God alone". In the 8th century, heated arguments arose over whether religious icons (in this context paintings) were prohibited by the first commandment. The dispute was almost entirely restricted to the Eastern church; the iconoclasts wished to prohibit icons, while the iconodules supported their veneration, a position consistently backed by the Western Church. At the Second Council of Nicaea in 787, the ecumenical council determined that the veneration of icons and statues was not in violation of the commandment and stated "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."
-Graven Images

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News Item10/28/11 10:13 AM
Thirdle  Find all comments by Thirdle
OBX wrote:
CCC 2269

...doesn't mean we're not responsible

"CCC 2269 The fifth commandment forbids doing anything with the intention of indirectly bringing about a person's death. The moral law prohibits exposing someone to mortal danger without grave reason, as well as refusing assistance to a person in danger."

OBX
"indirectly bringing about a person's death" - What about the "indirect" method of the Roman Catholic church who encourage idolatry and the rejection of Scripture to the detriment of the lives and worship of people?

BTW Is there a CCC which provides RCC/Vatican authority to reject the 2nd Commandment (graven images)??

"4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

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News Item10/28/11 9:53 AM
RP  Find all comments by RP
History cannot be forgotten, the Scripture is the most accurate account, but the Church will be built by her Head, the Lord Jesus Christ even post canon until he comes for her. The gates of hell will not stand against such a Leader. "All power is given to me in heaven and in earth." This is the truth that makes the great commission effectual.L
Building a firewall is only a protection if the UK is not the source of the fire; Germany has listened to the Papacy before to her great sorrow. ECT is not the answer, the true gospel is. The promised power is Christ's, the Church must learn of Him.
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News Item10/28/11 8:58 AM
OBX  Find all comments by OBX
"The acceptance by human society of murderous famines, without efforts to remedy them, is a scandalous injustice and a grave offense. Those whose usurious and avaricious dealings lead to the hunger and death of their brethren in the human family indirectly commit homicide, which is imputable to them." (CCC 2269)

In other words:

"He who builds his house with another's money is collecting stones for his funeral mound."
-1611 KJV

Even if we never hear a peep about usury from the pulpit doesn't mean we're not responsible for it. Evangelicals should have known and heeded the Word by now. As Ardo stated: "Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

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News Item10/28/11 7:36 AM
Ardo  Find all comments by Ardo
"European Evangelicals Say Debt Crisis is a Moral Not Economic Issue"

Is that "moral issue" - Or "moral crisis"?

The rich and powerful bankers, economists and business folk work for mammon, surely there ethical position will be different from the Evangelicals? Will they listen to the Evangelicals? No!

Mat 6.24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

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