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TUESDAY, OCT 25, 2011  |  13 comments
Largest ever EU rebellion rocks British PM
David Cameron on Monday suffered his largest parliamentary rebellion since becoming prime minister as around 80 Conservative lawmakers defied their leader to vote in favour of holding a referendum on Britain's EU membership.

Cameron's government, which is against holding a referendum, in the end won the House of Commons vote 483-111 due to support from the Liberal Democrats -- the Conservatives' euro-friendly junior coalition partners -- and the main opposition Labour Party.

But the eurosceptic wing of the Conservative Party delivered Cameron a blow by ignoring whip pressure to vote in favour of a referendum in the biggest show of internal party dissent since he took office in May 2010. ...


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News Item10/26/11 3:13 PM
Briton  Find all comments by Briton
Blighted blighty,

Since you think that person's real names are fair game for silly games, Blighted blighty you have blighted sighty once again.

On the one hand you tell me the UK has no constitution (which is patently untrue).

And on the second hand you quote statements that correctly tell you that whilst the UK has no single core constitutional document, yet correctly affirms that there is a British constitution and that it is "embodied in written documents, within statutes, court judgments, and treaties" and in constitutional conventions and royal prerogatives - which have actually also been documented by astute historians and commentators of the day.

Thank you for presenting eloquent quotes demonstrating my very point and utterly destroying yours!

The Crown in Parliament alone can revoke The European Communities Act 1972.

No need for James Goldsmith's treasonous Referendum nonsense here!

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News Item10/26/11 1:48 PM
blighted blighty  Find all comments by blighted blighty
Briton wrote:
1. A.V. Dicey Introduction to the Study of the Law of the Constitution (1885)

2. Concerning the EEC/EC/EU, membership is itself unconstitutional because Parliament

1. Hmmm sounds very dicey!!!

2. Constitution???
Constitution???
What Constitution??? This is Britain - NO constitution 'ere me ole mate.

'ere is Wiki fer yer::-
"A source of tension has historically been the relationship between the constitutions of member states and European Union law. Unlike the UK, most continental European member states have written constitutions and some have constitutional courts with the exclusive power to interpret the national constitution. The European Court of Justice has rules that such courts must apply European Union law in its entirety, to avoid any conflicting provisions of national law." Wiki

"Unlike many other nations, the UK has no single core constitutional document. In this sense, it is said not to have a written constitution but an uncodified one, much of the British constitution is embodied in written documents, within statutes, court judgments, and treaties. The constitution has other unwritten sources, including parliamentary constitutional conventions and royal prerogatives." Wiki

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News Item10/26/11 12:50 PM
Reformed Presbyterian  Find all comments by Reformed Presbyterian
Brighton beautiful wrote:
Through your fictitious inventions of history and of your false theology of a covenant that could never have been legitimately made you betray a false understanding of the true continuity of the covenants.
You are mistaken Sir, I will simply return your own words, back to you;
"Parliaments did not have the power to to bind future Parliaments to membership of the EU and usurp their authority to a foreign power"
Parliaments do they have the power to bind future Parliaments against covenant keeping nor usurp the authority of Christ's Mediatorial Reign from Heaven as Creator of all men and Redeemer of His elect whether in Magistracy or Ministry over the consciences of men, contrary to their covenant obligations; or their posterity who take such seriously; in dependence on the Lord Jesus Christ. Men who take the Lord's name in vain may be able to play loose with their fellow men (but not with God) they 'may' in this life escape the necessary consequence (if so, the escape will be in this life only see WCF LC Q&A #111-#114).
And as you said: "Wake up and learn the lessons of history." You might like to read the 'Act, Declaration and Testimony of the Reformed Presbytery of 1761' for an accurate account of an historical testi
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News Item10/26/11 11:38 AM
Brighton beautiful  Find all comments by Brighton beautiful
Reformed Presbyterian wrote:
It is not for those outside of the Magistrate to take up the civil sword.
Through your fictitious inventions of history and of your false theology of a covenant that could never have been legitimately made you betray a false understanding of the true continuity of the covenants.

Nevertheless, you at least got something right.

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News Item10/26/11 11:10 AM
Briton  Find all comments by Briton
I see you could not even manage to get to wikipedia. Try this definition:

Parliament means, in the mouth of a lawyer (though the word has often a different sense in conversation) The King, the House of Lords, and the House of Commons: these three bodies acting together may be aptly described as the "King in Parliament", and constitute Parliament. The principle of Parliamentary sovereignty mean neither more nor less than this, namely that Parliament thus defined has, under the English constitution, the right to make or unmake any law whatever: and, further, that no person or body is recognised by the law of England as having a right to override or set aside the legislation of Parliament.
—A.V. Dicey Introduction to the Study of the Law of the Constitution (1885)

Concerning the EEC/EC/EU, membership is itself unconstitutional because Parliament did not have the power to bind future Parliaments to membership of the EU and usurp their authority to a foreign power.

The EU has many times set aside and overridden UK laws.

You defeat your own cause by your failure to understand basic constitutional law in the UK.

Your false notion is ochlocracy, not democracy, and is what was used to justify keeping us in the EU in 1975. Wake up and learn the lessons of history.

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News Item10/26/11 9:41 AM
blighted blighty  Find all comments by blighted blighty
Briton wrote:
parliamentary sovereignty.
Sovereign power in an "elected" group???

Dict....
"Sovereign"
(adj)
5.belonging to or characteristic of a sovereign or sovereignty; royal.
6.having supreme rank, power, or authority.
7.supreme; preeminent; indisputable: a sovereign right.
8.greatest in degree; utmost or extreme.
9.being above all others in character, importance, excellence, etc.

Good grief!!
And they call this democracy. Aaargh!!

Perhaps the English need to learn english?

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News Item10/26/11 6:01 AM
Reformed Presbyterian  Find all comments by Reformed Presbyterian
"Referenda are a betrayal of our constitution and treasonous."
Treason against Jesus Christ the ascended Mediator exalted at the Father's right-hand; King of kings and Lord of Lord's? Scotland, England and Ireland as nations together with Parliament, the king, and the people of all ranks entered into a National and Solemn League and Covenant. They entered into a marriage covenant as a nation, engaging themselves to be for Jesus Christ and Him only. There is no higher treason for any nation, church, or individual then to vow and not to pay. But as Joshua the type of Christ said: 'As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.' That means every man, woman and child who claims to be Christ's in their place, calling and station submitting to the Magistrate, as he submits to Christ and protects the true religion of the nation by oath. It is not for those outside of the Magistrate to take up the civil sword. A faithful & true Ministry should have the sword of the Spirit, the Word of God. If they do, then it is powerful. Without the preservation of the true gospel the curse brought about by original sin flourishes Gen. 3:14-19.Gospel officers, and ordinances that give way to the idolatry of worshiping the creature, rather than the Creator, are first to give an account to God
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News Item10/25/11 3:54 PM
Briton  Find all comments by Briton
Just in case you missed it when you posted it

blighted blighty wrote:
"... or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."
You might also like to look up parliamentary sovereignty.

It was an abuse and betrayal of parliamentary sovereignty that took Britain into the EEC.

Conversely, it will require a true enactment of parliamentary sovereignty (and nothing else) to free us from this EU foreign potentate.

Referenda are a betrayal of our constitution and treasonous.

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News Item10/25/11 2:19 PM
blighted blighty  Find all comments by blighted blighty
Briton wrote:
Britain is a parliamentary democracy. Parliament is elected in order to govern.
Democracy
"government by the people; a form of government in whichthe supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system."

Oligarchy
"a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or clique; government by the few."

Whats in a word???

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News Item10/25/11 1:18 PM
Rev. 14  Find all comments by Rev. 14
Psalm 82
1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

It does great harm to God's people, to hinder their singing the inspired hymn book of the Church. They have forgotten a goodly portion of the Scripture, that was meant to be an aid in their understanding of the whole counsel of God. Reading Psalm 11 this morning, was very encouraging for any who look at David's kingship as being a type of Christ's reign and rule as Zion's King, in both His humiliation and exaltation.

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News Item10/25/11 12:22 PM
Briton  Find all comments by Briton
Brit wrote:
The politicians are scared of a national referendum on EU membership.
Because we will tell them we want to remain independant from Europe.
Europe already dictates to the people of the UK because they have been sneaking in through the back door with the help of the politicians over the years.
But the politicians are panicking just now because the eurozone is going down the tubes. Who knows what the future holds??
Britain is a parliamentary democracy. Parliament is elected in order to govern.

No mob, lowest common denominator rule here!

Referenda are only held as a sop to hold political parties or coalition governments together - not to divide them.

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News Item10/25/11 10:58 AM
Rev. 14  Find all comments by Rev. 14
"When your neighbour's house is on fire, your first impulse should be to help him put out the flames. ... This is not the time to argue about walking away."

It would appear that their own house is on fire and they're worried about their European neighbor? They won't make it on time. Rather it would seem a lack of natural affection for one's own house/nation, and will do neither any good in the end. How can the UK remove Europe's speck without removing their own beam. Luke 12:48 "But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Some feign ignorance, others prefer it for temporal comfort. Is it good, if you divert all your energy elsewhere and let your own house burn to ashes? I wouldn't want to live in that house/nation, or any other that is doing the same thing, but with varying decrees of culpability. Giving the deceiving appearance of good, in order to advance evil. Good and evil have been defined by the Word of God, (not the Humanist Manifesto). Clearly, such are not, concerned for their citizens well being, which, if they are still viable, consists of both their body and soul.

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News Item10/25/11 10:17 AM
Brit | uk  Find all comments by Brit
The politicians are scared of a national referendum on EU membership.

Because we will tell them we want to remain independant from Europe.

Europe already dictates to the people of the UK because they have been sneaking in through the back door with the help of the politicians over the years.

But the politicians are panicking just now because the eurozone is going down the tubes. Who knows what the future holds??

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