TRIPOLI, Libya — Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, the former Libyan strongman who fled into hiding after rebels toppled his regime two months ago, was killed Thursday as fighters battling the vestiges of his loyalist forces wrested control of his hometown of Surt, the interim government announced.
Al Jazeera television showed gruesome footage of what it said was Colonel Qaddafi, alive but wounded and bloody, dragged around by armed men in Surt. The television also aired a separate clip of his half-naked corpse, with lifeless open eyes and an apparent gunshot wound to the side of the head, as jubilant fighters fired automatic weapons in the air.
The images punctuated an emphatic and violent ending to his four decades as a ruthless and bombastic autocrat who had basked in his reputation as the self-styled king of kings of Africa....
A very interesting commentary, The Region: Why Obama can't tame the Islamists. I pointed out to some folks who I sent email about this article neither did Baby Bush for that matter. The folks across the pond, noted how the EU avoided letting Turkey in, even though BB pushed for it? They weren't at least a bunch of turkeys on that score!
Ah, I watch to much (Australian) B. C. news! It's David Cameron I was talking about and not the opposition leader the Australian parliament.
By the way, I have no problem with the bailout in the World Wars, no doubt it was mutually beneficial. Of course the war we gave covert help to Britain for the battle for the Malvinas (Yeah, I had that one wrong too. ) Came out beneficial for everyone concerned (again except for the lost of life), because it helped topple the military dictatorship in Argentina, a country that could more properly appreciate democracy than Libya probably will ever be able to.
But anyone who wants to apply,
Colossians 1 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created by Him and for Him.---NASB
I wouldn't argue too strongly if one coverage of leadership bleed over to all leaders. It is sometimes more important to look at good or bad behaviors of leaders, than to name them. But again, I don't think honoring foreign leaders or bad-mouthing them is attacked that strongly in Scriptures. I think Queen Elizabeth II is a dutiful leader, but not
There's nothing in the Bible the Bible about democracy, the Millennium you have an absolute dictatorship, and there will people who are going to complain about that and join Satan to attack Christ.
I never said anything about attacking foreign leaders or foreign wars (Goodness knows though it was somewhat in our mutual interest to bale out Great Britain three times at least in the last century in wars, indirectly in the Falklands War (or should I call it battle for the Maldives? )
I have absolutely no problem attacking former or possible future leaders of the United States, or present ones of foreign country, e.g., I think Tony Abbott an idiot for not allowing a referendum on the EU, and though I really do respect Queen EII, I think her and Phil's parenting skills were sadly lacking, Oh, and the probably future King of England is 101% gold-plated bum! Now is everyone satisfied? Still, Colossians
Jim Lincoln wrote: But again Romans 13:1 Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
I didn't say that, neither did my pastor, at least not originally -- but God, Go argue with Him, at your peril.
But again
Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
So Jim, squeeze Gadhaffi into the God ordained role described in these verses, the role "thee" is subject to btw, if you can.
IT'S BEEN REPORTED IT WASN'T QADDAFI IN THOSE VIDEOS-PHOTOS--BUT CIA "DOCTORED-UP-DOUBLES"--AS IN THEM 69 YR-OLD QADDAFI APPEARED MORE LIKE 49-To-59 YRS-OLD !
**EVEN A FORMER "DC" VETERAN INSIDER THINKS SO !
"LIKE OSAMA, GADDAFI TO BE 'BURIED AT SEA' "--UPI-Oct. 21, 2011
*QADDAFI Was-Is NO Saint !
BUT That Didn't Give ANTI-CONSTITUTION OBAMA, THE CIA & MOSSAD THE RIGHT TO WAGE AN UNDECLARED WAR ON LIBYA !
Lest TRUE US CHRISTIAN-FUNDAMENTALISTS Should Forget QADDAFI'S ROLE Behind: "3 CHARGED IN HAMMOND BOMB PLOT-May 29, 1987-
Three Hammond men have been charged with hatching a terrorist-style plot to bomb the Hammond Public Library Friday in an attempt to divert police attention while they robbed a nearby bank.
Before planning to blow up the library, the three considered two alternatives: Bombing THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF HAMMOND And Attacking Hammond Police Headquarters, according to a complaint filed Thursday in US District Court in Chicago...
Arrested were Frank Williams...Tedric Beverly...and Larry Taylor...
Williams was a member of The EL RUKNS, A South [CHICAGO "BLACK-MUSLIM"] Street Gang, and his brother...
The bomb and robbey plot is outlined in a complaint signed by FBI Agent...Kashirsky and... US [JUDGE] JOAN LEFKOW..."--CHICAGO TRIBUNE
Jim Lincoln wrote: No, John UK, I never said that in fact the Old Testament supported "righteous" wars and Christ considered them the natural order of things until he returns.
Sounds like a backtrack to me, Jim. Are you now saying that leaders have the protection of Romans 13, except when they are unrighteous, at which point a righteous war can be countenanced against them, as most folks on this point seem to be saying?
No, John UK, I never said that in fact the Old Testament supported "righteous" wars and Christ considered them the natural order of things until he returns. Now, I know the British don't think the American Revolution was a righteous war, but perhaps the separation was the best for both groups of people? Too bad, it took a war to do it however. I have never condemned WW I or WW II, The American Civil War, everyone wished would be resolved by some other means, but an ancestor of mine had no problem fighting for the Union.
jpw wrote: very interesting..... and I wonder how this philosophy could be applied to the headline of this article. If all leaders are instituted by God, and Qadaffi was a leader, then you/we should be subject to his authority, right? If all rulers in all situations meet the criteria for Romans 13, then ............ or are we really just talking about "American leaders" or "western leaders" qualifying for Romans 13. After awhile, it just sounds like a bunch of rationalizing, a pleasant way of ignoring the conscience.
I think what Jim means is that the war against Saddam, Gaddafi, and all other leaders in the world, was wrong and of the devil. No-one should go to war against God's apppointed leaders, seeing as God appoints all leaders who are in a position of leadership. But then, Gaddafi was wrong to oust the Libyan leader in the 60's.
I reckon Jim has a doctrine, but not a workable, practical doctrine. That's why he never answers difficult questions. It's like he's saying, "I have the doctrine, don't bother me with how to appply it."
Jim Lincoln wrote: God picks leaders which moves forward his purposes
very interesting..... and I wonder how this philosophy could be applied to the headline of this article. If all leaders are instituted by God, and Qadaffi was a leader, then you/we should be subject to his authority, right? If all rulers in all situations meet the criteria for Romans 13, then ............ or are we really just talking about "American leaders" or "western leaders" qualifying for Romans 13. After awhile, it just sounds like a bunch of rationalizing, a pleasant way of ignoring the conscience.
Jim, Dirk Yoder is still wanting to know who Caesar is. The president does not make war nor issue decrees so please tell us who Caesar is so the believers can worship him.
Jim Lincoln wrote: God picks leaders which moves forward his purposes, not something to may me or you happy, Mike. --- Romans 13:1 Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.--- --- I didn't say that, neither did my pastor, at least not originally -- but God, Go argue with Him, at your peril.
If God picks them all, he must also pick their time. You then have to say God is just moving forward his purposes by having Kadaffi killed, and new rulership installed. So what's the problem?
God picks leaders which moves forward his purposes, not something to may me or you happy, Mike.
As Caroline Glick pointed out, in her commentary The Syrian Spring, the Syrian dictator is even worse, but for Christians and those who call themselves Christians, have suffered less under these dictatorships than they will under Islamic Republics, The forgotten Christians of the East.
But again
Romans 13:1 Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.---NASB.
I didn't say that, neither did my pastor, at least not originally -- but God, Go argue with Him, at your peril.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Ah, Mike of N.Y., was Nebuchadnezzar picked by God? I would suggest that you listen to the sermon, The Believer and Politics and read the booklet, (free download) Rendering To Caesar: A Biblical Perspective On Government or even the the html version, Rendering To Caesar---A Biblical Perspective On Government. No, Mike of NY, I don't have to say it, the Bible does. The life of the average Libyan improved under Gaddafi, as long as you didn't attack him politically. --- There is also comments about nations warring with each other in the Bible, for either the right or wrong reasons.
You should be happy for 2 reasons Jim, 1)Gaddafi was rendered the honor he was due. 2)God can now pick a new dictator.
Locker 103 wrote: Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
Somehow reminded me of the example of the early persecuted Christians who were fed to the lions, and amazed all by their sweet countenance, acceptance of death in the providence of God, love for their enemies, and who had no thoughts of any sort of justice or vengeance because of wrongs done to them.
Pure fountains indeed, when compared to the deluded, warmongering, nominal Christians of today, who sing "Praise the Lord, and Pass the Ammunition" before blasting to pieces an unknown man they will meet again in hell.
Traveller wrote: 1. The shooting of one person, this unfortunate WPC, does not constitute a reason for going to war with another country. That would be stupid.
Stupidity or not you display ignorance of history. How many British died in the original Argentinian invasion of the Falklands ... in round (hint) numbers? What was the immediate spark that triggered WWI?
Traveller wrote: 2. Pan AM 103 was NOT a Libyan job.
International terror networks are .... international. But it is your blood money alone that stops you seeing Gaddafi's personal responsibility.
Traveller wrote: 3. If this stupid morally corrupt badly run, because of socialist and liberal idologies, country of Britain blah blah... May God broaden your mind!
Let's be honest. Libya was not the only job you could get under the Conservative government in the early 90's, it just paid a LOT more.
Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
Blood money broadening the mind is Islamic doctrine. You may accept it, but the one true God of the Bible will have none of it.
IT'S NOW REPORTED IT WASN'T EVEN QADDAFI IN THOSE VIDEOS & PHOTOS--BUT CIA "DOCTORED-UP-DOUBLES"--AS IN THEM 69 YR-OLD QADDAFI LOOKED MORE LIKE 49-To-59 YRS-OLD !
**QADDAFI is NO Saint !
BUT That Didn't Give ANTI-CONSTITUTION OBAMA, THE CIA & MOSSAD THE RIGHT TO WAGE AN UNDECLARED WAR ON LIBYA !
**Lest TRUE US CHRISTIAN-FUNDAMENTALISTS Should Forget QADDAFI'S ROLE Behind:
"3 CHARGED IN HAMMOND BOMB PLOT-May 29, 1987-
Three Hammond men have been charged with hatching a terrorist-style plot to bomb the Hammond Public Library Friday in an attempt to divert police attention while they robbed a nearby bank.
Before planning to blow up the library, the three considered two alternatives: Bombing THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF HAMMOND And Attacking Hammond Police Headquarters, according to a complaint filed Thursday in US District Court in Chicago.
The three, arrested by FBI agents Wednesday night and Thursday morning, are accused of planning the bank robbery...
Arrested were Frank Williams...Tedric Beverly...and Larry Taylor... Williams was a member of The EL RUKNS, A South [CHICAGO "BLACK-MUSLIM"] Street Gang, and his brother...
The bomb and robbey plot is outlined in a complaint signed by FBI Agent...Kashirsky and... US [JUDGE] JOAN LEFKOW--CHICAGO TRIBUNE !
Locker 103 wrote: 1. Justice should have been done long ago. Unfortunately we had a weak and pathetic woman prime minister at the time he butchered WPC Fletcher in St James Square
2. and brought down Pan Am 103 on Lockerbie.
3. What you experienced was blood money enriching yourself and enabling his sponsorship of bloody terrorism. May God have mercy on your soul - before you die.
1. The shooting of one person, this unfortunate WPC, does not constitute a reason for going to war with another country. That would be stupid.
2. Pan AM 103 was NOT a Libyan job. Try going further east to a country which is fast becoming a greater problem today.
3. If this stupid morally corrupt badly run, because of socialist and liberal idologies, country of Britain was able to provide enough work for its people then I wouldn't have needed to go abroad. But I did, to several countries and met ordinary folk like the Libyans, good people suffering under another socialist government and found that socialists the world over are the same - they couldn't run a bus que never mind a nation.
Its great news that they've got a chance for better government.
No, Mike of NY, I don't have to say it, the Bible does. The life of the average Libyan improved under Gaddafi, as long as you didn't attack him politically. Caroline Glick has an interesting article called, The Syrian Spring.
There is also comments about nations warring with each other in the Bible, for either the right or wrong reasons.
Jim Lincoln wrote: --- The death of Gaddafi,... Ah, John, U.K., you probably remember seeing the pictures of the death of Mussolini? The Communists killed him and his mistress. (Did his mistress deserve that?) This is what happens when a Satanic group has control, there is no respect for the law. 13:1 Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil. 5 Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.--- ---
Just to satisfy my curiousity, Jim, are you saying Gaddhafi was not a cause of fear for good behavior but was a minister of God for his peoples' good?
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