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K.C. bishop, diocese indicted for not reporting priest's porn
A Missouri grand jury has accused Kansas City Bishop Robert Finn and the Catholic Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph of failing to notify police about alleged child pornography found on a priest's computer, The Kansas City Star reports.

Finn and the diocese entered pleas of not guilty today to a misdemeanor charge of failure to report suspected child abuse. The indictment makes Finn the highest-ranking Catholic official nationwide to be prosecuted for allegedly covering up sexual abuse of minors by priest, the paper notes. ...


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stumbled | by the proud multitude  Find all comments by stumbled
Luke 17:1-3 "Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

What mother of children, for whom she has prayed before they were even born, and much more since, should have her hopes dashed as so many here would do? If we are accepted in Christ not by works of righteousness that we have done, but by grace through faith in Christ, testified to by the written Word read and/or preached for God's glory and our enjoyment of Him forever who is so Glorious and Good a God as our God is; then I find it a high handed perversion of Scripture to tell me my Covenant children have no advantage over pagan and atheist children when the Scripture (the whole counsel of God) clearly states otherwise.

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News Item10/24/11 10:13 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
realism wrote:
ps; Pass this good news on to Lurker.
He's getting lonely.
Ah Seaton, That's what I've always admired about you, bro. Your sense of humor.... oh, and your ability to quote your bible.
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News Item10/24/11 5:13 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
realism wrote:
Oh John..
When are you going to learn the truth??
The Westminster Divines provided the Biblically correct statement...
Okay, so you are able to quote the sayings of other men, yet are unable to answer my simple questions concerning this matter. That's one of your main problems; you've been taught but haven't learnt. Really, you must learn to think for yourself, and allow the Holy Ghost to teach you a thing or two.

First question: When you baptise the children of believers, what difference does that make in realism to those children?

Take your time, think carefully, and when you are ready and not before, post your answer. And I eagerly await your reply. Maybe, just maybe, after all these years, you might just offer an explanation.

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News Item10/24/11 4:20 PM
realism  Find all comments by realism
John UK wrote:
And for the "real" church to engage in sprinkling babies of believers and telling them they are special smacks of Catholicism to me.
Oh John..
When are you going to learn the truth??
The Westminster Divines provided the Biblically correct statement...
Quote::
WCF 28/3. Dipping of the person into the water is not necessary; but baptism is rightly administered by pouring or sprinkling water upon the person.a

a. Mark 7:4; Acts 2:41; 16:33; Heb 9:10, 19-22.

4. Not only those that do actually profess faith in and obedience unto Christ,a but also the infants of one or both believing parents are to be baptized.b

a. Mark 16:15-16; Acts 8:37-38. • b. Gen 17:7, 9 with Gal 3:9, 14 and Col 2:11-12 and Acts 2:38-39 and Rom 4:11-12; Mat 28:19; Mark 10:13-16; Luke 18:15; 1 Cor 7:14.

Now John for goodness sake don't get all confused by depth of water and Arminian type statements required to authenticate baptism.


ps; Pass this good news on to Lurker.
He's getting lonely.

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News Item10/24/11 9:13 AM
LER  Find all comments by LER
Michael Hranek wrote:
LER
Please don't imagine you are going to find anyone who is perfect in holiness walking around in human flesh upon the face of this present earth.
But here is what you and I can do, 'If we are walking in the light as God Himself is in the light we will have fellowship with one another.' And with genuine believers who are likewise doing the same. You might want to prayerfully seeking God, read 1 John in its entirety, knowing the Apostle John is an eye witness of Christ, and man filled and used by God to give us God's word.
Off to work
If my Christian friends would stop the adultery, porn, unbiblibal remarriage, homosexuality and suicides, then they'd be more trustworthy. Christ calls us to "be perfect" as He is perfect. Not that I'm an angel, but why do so many Christians seem to dwell on the opposite side of this perfection mandate nowadays? I don't recall our Christian grandparents frequently doing these sinful things.
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News Item10/24/11 9:12 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
LER wrote:
When a godly married friend committed adultery against his wife, contrary to this quote, don't the saints in Heaven remain "more secure"?
I'm rather surprised that you can call a chap who commits adultery against his wife a godly man. Don't seem to fit somehow.

One thing is for sure. God has predestinated certain sinners to eternal life in heaven; therefore none of these is "more secure" than the others, whether on this side the grave or the other.

Of course, you will not be able to grasp this fact, if you imagine that your "good" works merit eternal life. No wonder that you feel insecure.

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News Item10/24/11 6:33 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
LER wrote:
Where do you meet these saints who are totally saved? I thought I knew several but they keep showing their "true colors."
This totally elect thing is concerning. I don't want a lot of ifs, ands or buts. I just want to know if these friends are saved or not. People I can count on. People I can trust.
LER
Please don't imagine you are going to find anyone who is perfect in holiness walking around in human flesh upon the face of this present earth.

But here is what you and I can do, 'If we are walking in the light as God Himself is in the light we will have fellowship with one another.' And with genuine believers who are likewise doing the same. You might want to prayerfully seeking God, read 1 John in its entirety, knowing the Apostle John is an eye witness of Christ, and man filled and used by God to give us God's word.

Off to work

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News Item10/24/11 6:19 AM
LER  Find all comments by LER
Michael Hranek wrote:
LER
Where do you meet these saints who are totally saved? I thought I knew several but they keep showing their "true colors."

This totally elect thing is concerning. I don't want a lot of ifs, ands or buts. I just want to know if these friends are saved or not. People I can count on. People I can trust.

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News Item10/24/11 5:44 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
LER wrote:
When a godly married friend committed adultery against his wife, contrary to this quote, don't the saints in Heaven remain "more secure"?
LER
The telling matter will be if your friend is an object of the (in this matter likely severe) corrective discipline of the Father, proving he actually belongs to Christ, or not proving his godliness was a righteousness only of human effort.

Jesus Christ came into this world to save sinners and that is exactly what He does in the lives of those who trust Him, even if their faith is as a grain of mustard seed. It is a most fearful thing sinners would reject salvation.

If this man is indeed one who in the past has accepted Christ on His terms of repentance and faith, expect the Savior to continue and perfect the work He has begun, even if He must needs put this man through all sorts of trials, afflictions and consequences to bring him to a broken, contrite and honest heart, and a wonderful and real fresh holy obedience of faith.

We ought to pray for such people AND EVEN MORE for those whom they have wronged.

We should not however base our doctrine and our faith on the changeable situations God permits men get themselves into BUT from an honest humble prayerful study of the Word of God.

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News Item10/24/11 5:06 AM
LER  Find all comments by LER
John UK wrote:
There is a hymn with that sentiment, Leroy. "A debtor to mercy alone":
"More happy, but not more secure
The glorified spirits in heav'n"
It is a marvellous truth, that Christians who have gone through death and are now in heaven, are perfected in holiness because the "old nature" is now completely dead, and their spirit is sinless; they will never sin again. Thus they are "more holy", and therefore more exuberantly "happy" than the saints on earth, who are not perfect, and who sin from time to time because the remnant of their fallen nature still strives with their spirit, and they fall foul of temptation, which always smites their conscience and brings forth repentance and confession.
But the saints in heaven are not "more secure" than saints on earth. When God justifies (saves) a sinner, they are eternally secure, even though in this life they may not always feel that. It is all to do with God's predestination, and is most wonderful.
When a godly married friend committed adultery against his wife, contrary to this quote, don't the saints in Heaven remain "more secure"?
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News Item10/24/11 4:37 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
LER wrote:
Can someone help me understand today's quote in light of salvation, the Bible, Augustine and other interpreters?
"Souls in heaven are more holy but not more secure."
-Robert Murray McCheyne
There is a hymn with that sentiment, Leroy. "A debtor to mercy alone":

"More happy, but not more secure
The glorified spirits in heav'n"

It is a marvellous truth, that Christians who have gone through death and are now in heaven, are perfected in holiness because the "old nature" is now completely dead, and their spirit is sinless; they will never sin again. Thus they are "more holy", and therefore more exuberantly "happy" than the saints on earth, who are not perfect, and who sin from time to time because the remnant of their fallen nature still strives with their spirit, and they fall foul of temptation, which always smites their conscience and brings forth repentance and confession.

But the saints in heaven are not "more secure" than saints on earth. When God justifies (saves) a sinner, they are eternally secure, even though in this life they may not always feel that. It is all to do with God's predestination, and is most wonderful.

Michael H

Precisely! Well put!

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News Item10/23/11 9:08 PM
LER  Find all comments by LER
Can someone help me understand today's quote in light of salvation, the Bible, Augustine and other interpreters?

"Souls in heaven are more holy but not more secure."

-Robert Murray McCheyne

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News Item10/23/11 6:44 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Elrick wrote:
Well Well Michael. Like John your hate for all things Calvinist demonstrates your Roman Catholic (works based) leanings.
You two make a matching set!!
Elrick,
Wow! Again respectfully but are you blind and deaf or something.

It is most bizzare that you, someone I would suppose as Reformed or Calvinist would so miss the Grace of God in the Completed Work of Christ on the Cross, Grace freely given and enormously sufficient for the salvation of the worst of sinners who with the faith God Himself sovereignly gives them, believe on Him to save them from their sins, would imagine that has anything to do with Roman Catholicism.

Now it might upset you to remind you, "he who has the Son has life (even if he is a Baptist ), and he who does not have the Son does not have life." And that would be no matter how many correct historic Biblical Christain doctrines he might zealously brag he believes.

Let me give you a hint, when someone desires to make their calling and election sure, the question that needs asking is do they have or not the Son of God (you know hear His voice and follow Him), NOT if they profess Westminster and Dort and whatever creeds and catechism they imagine makes them right with God.

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News Item10/23/11 4:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
I'm just amazed that there are no professing Calvinists to give Elrick some talking to. Or is he a voice for the Calvinistic Community?

If so, then I'm afraid the Reformed Community has gone completely mad, and I should depart for sweeter climes, where the love of God flows a bit deeper, despite holding error doctrinally.

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News Item10/23/11 4:07 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Elrick wrote:
God using His servants the REFORMERS - did reform "THE CHURCH."
Get it - """THE CHURCH""" was not the papist idolaters and blasphemers, No! The REAL BIBLE BELIEVERS - THE ELECT were the people who became the Protestant Church.
Praise be to God for His intervention the Reformation of HIS CHURCH in the 16th century.
Whats this Mike you thought the other group, the unBiblical papists, was the Bible church???
Ah I see your Arminian works based religious theory coming out again in sympathy with the papist group.
The Reformers - The Protestants - were the people who could receive the Truth and by the very Grace of God (the gift of faith) reformed and established the foundation of God's True Church. Halleluiah.
You'll have to make up your mind whether the true church needs no reforming, or the true church was reformed. You have stated both. The fall-back argument of works based religion is irrelevant to this, don't you think?
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News Item10/23/11 4:07 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Elrick wrote:
If you are interested in learning the truth try these.
PS. SermonAudio seems to like Augustine too.
Well isn't that just the icing on the cake!

You give me two year's worth of reading about AUGUSTINE, AUGUSTINE, AUGUSTINE. Man you should be ashamed of yourself. Are you a devil in disguise? You want me to waste my time reading someone who believes no differently to myself on the doctrines of salvation, while I could be actually doing something useful to the Lord and my fellow man, maybe GIVING OUT A TRACT OR TWO, helping some poor sinner get rid of his burden off of his back by showing him a loving Saviour who died for him and arose again from the dead to be a living Saviour for all who put their trust in him.

Man alive, you want to load him all up again with great tomes and volumes of theological thought over the years.

Think about it. We've got to appear at the Bema, and what will you tell the Lord? And it won't be: Frenchy, Wesley, Ingleesi, Taffy, Rowland, Christmas Evans, et al. It will be your WORKS!

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News Item10/23/11 3:52 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Elrick wrote:
You two make a matching set!!
I'm hurt that you left me out, Seaton!

There are a lot of things Augustine taught with which I can agree; as well as Calvin and Spurgeon, and, and, and.... etc., etc.

BUT..... I can agree with EVERYTHING God taught in the bible He put in our hands... the fruit of His work in the Protestant Reformation; free of the dictates of church, state and any fallible man regardless of how Godly they were in their day.

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News Item10/23/11 3:47 PM
Elrick  Find all comments by Elrick
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News Item10/23/11 3:31 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Elrick wrote:
Well Well John. Your hyperwesleyan Calvin, Augustine. You will find VERY little in the REAL Church, Donatist, Augustine.
Calvinist, Roman Catholic!!
Spurgeon's saying Paul, Augustine, then from Augustine to Calvin, Augustine monks, Calvin, I love Augustine. I, Augustine, Calvin Augustine monks, C.H.Spurgeon....
Well there is proof positive of what I said earlier.

And while the REAL CHURCHES continue to make more of men than they do of God they will continue to slide back and win no new converts and die out, consigned to history.

They never listened to Tozer, and I don't expect them to listen to me neither.

p.s. Michael never mentioned he supported the Donatists, he was referring to the historic fact of their fierce persecution by one Augustine. Now if you want to share fellowship with another who hounds religious groups to death, that's your lookout. But don't expect me to do so, nor will I join your church if that is its position. I don't hang out with killers.

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News Item10/23/11 3:21 PM
Elrick  Find all comments by Elrick
John UK wrote:
Why such veneration for Augustine?
Well Well John. Your hyperwesleyan leanings showing again in your anti-Calvin anti-Augustine diatribes. You will find VERY little in the REAL Church which supports Michaels support for the Donatist heresies and his objection to the Biblical Christian Augustine.

Well Well Michael. Like John your hate for all things Calvinist demonstrates your Roman Catholic (works based) leanings.

You two make a matching set!!

Quote::
"As for the leaders of the church in other ages, Spurgeon's saying has been already quoted: "You may take a step from Paul to Augustine, then from Augustine to Calvin, and then-well, you may keep your foot up a good while before you find such another." When he visited the Simplon Hospice, he said, "I was delighted to find that they are Augustine monks, because, next to Calvin, I love Augustine. I feel that Augustine was the great mine out of which Calvin digged his mental wealth; and the Augustine monks, in practising their holy charity, seemed to say: 'Our Master was a teacher of grace, and we will practice it, and give without money and without price to all comers whatsoever they need.'" (C.H.Spurgeon and history)

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