Daughter of Mormon bishop flays Romney's 'horrific' faith
The daughter of a Mormon bishop who has abandoned her family's faith claims in a new book the election of Mitt Romney to the presidency would put the U.S. in danger due to what she calls the Republican's "outrageous," "horrific" and "mind-controlling" beliefs.
"While he attempts to portray Mormonism as just another Christian religion, Mitt Romney counts on his skills to shift our attention away from what he truly believes," says Tricia Erickson, author of "Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America."
"If the American people knew what he truly believed, they would surely not place him in the highest office in the land."
Mike wrote: Bible says Jesus had brothers and sisters. RCC says Mary is ever virgin. Which do you believe, John Y?
Well naturally I believe that Jesus had brothers and sisters. But that does not negate the fact the RCC has always believed in the biblical and historical Virgin Mary. Eventhough Mary had other children besides Jesus it is not wrong to refer to her as the Virgin Mary. The Nicene Creed and the Apostles Creed state the Virgin Mary.
John Yurich USA wrote: The RCC has always believed in the biblical and historical Virgin Mary. And for you to state otherwise is false. The RCC does not teach that the Virgin Mary and the Saints are gods. I really do not believe that the Sacraments have anything to do with salvation. Mormon Cult does not worship true Jesus, RCC worships true Jesus. Mormon Cult, RCC have nothing in common.
Bible says Jesus had brothers and sisters. RCC says Mary is ever virgin. Which do you believe, John Y?
Michael Hranek wrote: John Yurich, Thanks for mixing apples and watermellons. The Catholic Church does not believe, well they sure act like their saints and their supposedly perpetual virgin mary, queen of heaven are gods, praying to them and worshipping them (called veneration by Catholics) Then you switch to the theology of John Yurich claiming not to believe your alls sacraments having anything to do with salvation, your cherished FALSE church would beg to differ and say you are wrong. BTW both Catholic and Mormons add as authoritative their own "notions" to what the Bible says, with Catholics "sacred Tradition" and "the teaching Magisterium" with Mormons, the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. So in the realms of false religions you and the Mormons might have more in common, even though they are distinctly different, than you would like to admit.
The RCC has always believed in the biblical and historical Virgin Mary. And for you to state otherwise is false. The RCC does not teach that the Virgin Mary and the Saints are gods. I really do not believe that the Sacraments have anything to do with salvation. Mormon Cult does not worship true Jesus, RCC worships true Jesus. Mormon Cult, RCC have nothing in common.
WOP wrote: Hint: If running for public office against a Mormon, mention the Nicene Creed and they'll be running for cover, cite the Bible and they'll say "Me, too, I believe every verse."
Morning WOP, Just a gentle correction, Mormons do indeed say they believe the Bible (KJV) with a disclaimer so enormous 'in so far as it is correctly translated' that you could drive a tractor trailer through.
Kind of like how Roman Catholics say they believe the Bible AND then add their sacred Tradition so they can bring in all sorts of devilish mischief.
And no one should treat the Lord Jesus Christ this way. Everything written of Him in the Law of Moses and the Psalms and the Prophets must be fulfilled and will most certainly be
Hint: If running for public office against a Mormon, mention the Nicene Creed and they'll be running for cover, cite the Bible and they'll say "Me, too, I believe every verse."
John Yurich USA wrote: The Catholic Church does not believe that the Virgin Mary and the Saints are gods. I do not believe that the Sacraments have anything to do with salvation. I consider the Sacraments to be just church ceremonies dealing with various stages in life.
John Yurich, Thanks for mixing apples and watermellons.
The Catholic Church does not believe, well they sure act like their saints and their supposedly perpetual virgin mary, queen of heaven are gods, praying to them and worshipping them (called veneration by Catholics)
Then you switch to the theology of John Yurich claiming not to believe your alls sacraments having anything to do with salvation, your cherished FALSE church would beg to differ and say you are wrong.
BTW both Catholic and Mormons add as authoritative their own "notions" to what the Bible says, with Catholics "sacred Tradition" and "the teaching Magisterium" with Mormons, the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price.
So in the realms of false religions you and the Mormons might have more in common, even though they are distinctly different, than you would like to admit.
Michael Hranek wrote: John Yurich, I'm surprised at you as you ought to well know the RCC has their Pope and the LDS their Prophet the RCC has an imaginary purgatory and the LDS spirit wives in their heaven As to a multiplicity of god, come on now John ask your priest just how many god (oops saints) to Catholics pray to now a days? And both of you all have your special rituals or what is it you call them, Oh! sacraments. And do remember the RCC claims to adore the same god as the Muslims so whatever lip service you all give the Trinity is suspect.
The Apostles and Nicene Creeds which are the Statements Of Faith of the Catholic Church state "WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY. WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD. WE BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT THE LORD AND GIVER OF LIFE". Now that is the ONE AND ONLY GOD OF THE BIBLE(THE HOLY TRINITY) that the Catholic Church believes in. The Catholic Church does not believe that the Virgin Mary and the Saints are gods. I do not believe that the Sacraments have anything to do with salvation. I consider the Sacraments to be just church ceremonies dealing with various stages in life.
"Son Of GOD & Chief Shepherd & Bishop Of Souls Flays Romney's 'Horrific' Faith & FILTH"
His Name, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST:
THE SON OF GOD & GOD THE SON; THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE WITH GOD THE FATHER & GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT !
"FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE." 1 JOHN 5:7
JUST WAIT UNTIL YOU READ WHAT THEY BEAR RECORD ON EARTH TO !
Read It ALL In THE BOOK:
THE HISTORIC+ENGLISH+AUTHORIZED+HOLY+BIBLE BOOK OF 'THE TRUE GOD & ETERNAL LIFE' (SEE 1 JOHN 5:20) AS FOUND ON PLANET EARTH IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE FOR THE LAST 400 YEARS:
THE KING JAMES BIBLE !
WE WHO'RE TRUE CHRISTIANS, HISTORIC+AUTHORIZED+BIBLICAL+LITERALISTS & JUDEO-CHRISTIAN "PROTESTANT" FUNDAMENTALISTS KNOW FOR A FACT "MORMONISM" IS A FALSE "CHRISTIAN" CULT:
AS IS;
TRENTIAN-ROMAN-"CATHOLICISM"
&
ANY OTHER FALSE "CHRISTIAN" CULT THAT
ADDS TO,
TAKES AWAY FROM,
&-OR
DISTORTS THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE 27 BOOKS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT & THE 39 BOOKS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT OF HISTORIC ORTHODOX JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY:
**BASICALLY THE 66 BOOKS OF THE HISTORIC+AUTHORIZED+"TEXTUS-RECEPTUS"+HOLY-BIBLE OF ORTHODOX "REFORMED"-ROMAN-"CATHOLIC" & BIBLICAL-LITERALIST JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY !
Jim Lincoln wrote: But anyway, as some good Southern Baptists have pointed out, Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses have much more in common with each other than they do Christians.
Roman Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Church of Scotland, Church of England, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians, Arminian Baptists, Synergist Baptists, Free Will Baptists and Female-preacher Baptists are all in the same massive damned heap.
Only Independentist Fundamentalist KJV-onlyist Calvinist Monergist Rapturist Once-a-month-communionist Memorialist Full-immersionist No-elderist No-beer-or-wineist Baptists will make it. Everyone else has apparently "voted himself off the island."
HSY wrote: .... a secret internal algorithm for defining your Trinitarian and Christological views?
Oh Henrietta!
I realise you are dead in sin and cannot see anything spiritual, and are lost and undone, and are hellbound through unbelief.
Just for you:
1 Corinthians 1:21-24 KJV 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
You see, H, who gets saved and understands? Check out the last verse above ...... "them which are called".
Now God doesn't "call" everyone, as that verse proves. Now if God never calls you, there will be no understanding in you, no matter how many masses you attend or confessions you go to. This one simple fact should make you to tremble, and realise that your eternal destiny depends WHOLLY on whether God shows grace towards you as an individual or not. Forget your creed, it cannot help you.
Michael Hranek wrote: Jus Askin Mormons have been very kind and polite to tell me how their Jesus is spirit brother of Lucifier, and his father was supposedly once a man who became a god over his own world which he populated by having offspring with his spirit wives. To be clear NOT at all the Jesus of the Bible, thank you very much for askin.
Thanks Michael; The reason I asked is because those Mormon sites I put up links for don't seem to agree with these kinds of allegations? I honestly don't know the full Mormon theological teaching but these sites seem to differ with the accusations of some? It all seems a bit strange?
Thurs wrote: Reformed Christians know that we wait for Christ's return and HE will be the "government" from then on.
Does not Christ's exaltation in His rising again from the dead on the third day, in ascending up into heaven, in sitting at the right hand of the Father, and in coming again to judge the world at the last day seem to indicate his present Authority or power? As saith the Scripture Isa. 41:10Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness. 11Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish. That sounds like a promise for the time that now is to me; Christ after all is the right hand of the Father's righteousness on our behalf, and mighty to save to the utter most!
Jus Askin wrote: SteveR. Are you and Michael quite sure of your facts? - What Mormons believe about Jesus. THE LIVING CHRIST "As we commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ two millennia ago, we offer our testimony of the reality of His matchless life and the infinite virtue of His great atoning sacrifice. None other has had so profound an influence upon all who have lived and will yet live upon the earth. He was the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New. Under the direction of His Father, He was the creator of the earth. “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:3). Though sinless, He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. He “went about doing good” (Acts 10:38), yet was despised for it. His gospel was a message of peace and goodwill…." Mormon Beliefs
Jus Askin Mormons have been very kind and polite to tell me how their Jesus is spirit brother of Lucifier, and his father was supposedly once a man who became a god over his own world which he populated by having offspring with his spirit wives.
To be clear NOT at all the Jesus of the Bible, thank you very much for askin.
SteveR wrote: Unlike Michael H, I would NOT categorize Mormons with Catholics. The difference in this case being that Catholics do not deny the deity of Christ. The Jesus of Mormonism is only a creature not the Creator. Atonement for fallen man can not be made by a mere creature
THE LIVING CHRIST "As we commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ two millennia ago, we offer our testimony of the reality of His matchless life and the infinite virtue of His great atoning sacrifice. None other has had so profound an influence upon all who have lived and will yet live upon the earth.
He was the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New. Under the direction of His Father, He was the creator of the earth. “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:3). Though sinless, He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. He “went about doing good” (Acts 10:38), yet was despised for it. His gospel was a message of peace and goodwill…." Mormon Beliefs
"What verse(s) would you employ to distinguish between the real Jesus of Nazareth and Romney's false Jesus?" What you should have asked is: to distinguish the Jesus Christ of Scripture for all the imitations of men.
Romans 1:1-4 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 1 John 1:1-3; Col.1 and Psalm 2 for starters
But the problem, here is the required gospel utterance and unction that is needed in order to hear. That must be granted. Every man without exception needs to come to the realization that his miseries in this life are due his own sins (original & actual) and that he needs the enlightening knowledge of Christ from the Scripture, the unction that John speaks of, a changed will and an internal, or effectual gospel call. Only those men that God has/will effectually call(ed) are chosen in Christ, the Eternal God, before foundation of the world, will in time participate in the Covenant of Life opened as the only fountain for s
HSY wrote: What you're saying is: "I can't clearly define the person of Christ, but I'll know it when I meet someone who knows precisely who He is."
HSY Don't be an (omitted bad word here normally used to discribe individuals of severly limited intelligence or others who choose to act in such a way) as if someone absolutely must have the Nicene Creed or whatever to tell them what God has already told clearer and better in His own words (that would be the Bible people are quite free to read for themselves ) of His Eteranl Incarnate Son the Lord Jesus Christ, the second person of the Triune Godhead.
"I can't clearly define the person of Christ, but I'll know it when I meet someone who knows precisely who He is."
Do you have a secret internal algorithm for defining your Trinitarian and Christological views? If you wrote them down they would become a creed. However, if you did doesn't a creed violate Sola Scriptura?
You seem able to communicate via a form of telepathy so that you know who they are and they know who you are. However, there's nothing written down so anyone considered to be on the outside (e.g., John Yurich) who doesn't share your "secret Bible knowledge," is written off as a damned heretic.
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