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Choice News SATURDAY, OCT 8, 2011  |  21 comments  |  1 commentary
Evangelical Baptist Pastor: 'Mormonism Is a Cult, Mitt Romney Is Not a Christian'
Robert Jeffress, the evangelical pastor of First Baptist Dallas, said Mitt Romney is not a Christian and Mormonism is a cult, after introducing Rick Perry at the Values Voter Summit Friday.

“Historically, evangelical Christianity has never embraced Mormonism as a branch of Christianity. Mormonism has always been treated as a cult. In fact, the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the largest Protestant denomination in the world, officially labels Mormonism as a cult. It does not embrace the historic tenets of evangelical Christianity,” he said.

Jeffress added, "Mitt Romney is a good, moral person, but that does not make him a Christian." ...


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News Item12/28/15 12:54 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
What Is A Cult? -- And Are You Involved In One? This is a thoughtful article and should be glanced over.

I wish I could easily get another Moriel Ministries article referenced easily, but it doesn't seem to be that way. It pointed out about theologically sound ministries that are sociologically cults, and on are on their way to becoming theological ones as well, This should get you there Christian Cults - Moriel Ministries quite good. Also another one, Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader, also well worth looking over. It is in outline form, so it will be quick to look over.

I would suppose almost all IFB churches are leader-centrist to some degree. I'm not in the congregational camp, myself, but when the leaders step over the line and become cultic, that is the time to rethink your church membership. So, read the above and decide when leadership turns into arrogancy.

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News Item10/20/11 7:28 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
#1.HOLY WRIT Is VERY CLEAR GOD'S "Salvation", "Sanctification", "Preservation", "Blamelessness", "Glorification" & EVEN "BAPTISM", ETC. Is Held In The Following ORDER:

a)Spirit: First.
b)Soul: Second.
c)Body: Last.

"AND THE VERY GOD OF PEACE SANCTIFY YOU WHOLLY; AND I PRAY GOD YOUR WHOLE SPIRIT AND SOUL AND BODY BE PRESERVED BLAMELESS UNTO THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST." 1 THESS. 5:23

Therefore, In THE SPIRIT-MIND-HEART-WILL Of GOD, CHRIST, THE APOSTLES, THE AUTHORS Of THE NICENE (APOSTLES' & ATHANASIAN) CREED; The "BAPTISM" As Mentioned In HOLY WRIT & THE NICENE-APOSTLES-ATHANASIAN CREED Is:

I - SPIRIT-"BAPTISM"--HOLY-SPIRITUAL BAPTISM--THE SECOND-BIRTH ALA JOHN 3:1-16 ("BEING BORN-AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED..." 1 PETER 1:23).

II - SOUL-"BAPTISM"--HOLY-SPIRITUAL REPENTANCE--THE ENLIGHTENING, REFRESHING & RENEWING OF THE MIND, HEART & WILL (See ACTS 3:19-20).

*LAST - BODY-(PHYSICAL)-"BAPTISM"; WHICH DOESN'T SAVE OR REMIT SINS; BUT IS SYMBOLIC & REPRESENTATIVE OF:

1.SPIRIT-BAPTISM: BEING BORN-AGAIN Via JOHN 3:1-16.
2.SOUL-BAPTISM: HOLY-SPIRITUAL REPENTANCE.

*NOTE: BODY-(PHYSICAL)-BAPTISM OUGHT & BETTER COVER &-OR ENVELOPE "YOUR WHOLE...BODY" !

**PHYSICAL-WATER-BAPTISM BETTER BE ADMINISTERED BY IMMERSION--OR IT'S NOT TRUE BIBLICAL "BAPTISM" !

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News Item10/16/11 3:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
R.gr, yes, Joseph Smith was a Free Mason, an the Mormon cult adopted some of the rites of Masonry, apparently, for their own use. But from there you're completely off track. For one thing some of our best Presidents were Free Masons, George Washington being the prime example.

The Vatican hates Free Masonry, the one main thing is that along with Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses Free Masonry has a works salvation. Too bad, because they are much more tolerant and logical than the magisterium of the Romish Church. The Romish Church has an irrational hatred for the Free Masons. Depending on a person's other qualifications, it would bother me at all if a President was a Free Mason.

Papal Ban on Free Masonry wrote:
...the Church still prohibits membership in the Freemasons because it believes that the principles of Freemasonry and the teaching of the Catholic Church are irreconcilable.....
Both the RCC and Masons have irreconcilable beliefs to Christianity.
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News Item10/14/11 8:52 PM
R.gr | australia  Find all comments by R.gr
Mormanism is another branch of the Elite Freemans invention as is Jehovah Witnesses KKK . And Freemasonary is the Jesuit arm of the Vatican!

What is this so called Baptist Evangelical doing anouncing Perry?? What is Perry. Anyone know?
Perry,s is another I am a christian like G W Bush to fool the weak christian to vote for him. Is it!
The Left right paradime is fake they are both run by the same BANK who put up these fake candidates.. Isnt their nay Real christians Running for office dont tell me Ron Paul.

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News Item10/12/11 5:00 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
its either pro-wore barbie or fed ken. that's what the "Christians" on tv say....that to be moral and good, I vote for pro-wore barbie or fed ken.
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News Item10/12/11 2:28 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Baby Bush, never would be an elder in a proper Baptist Church, with a wife and at least one daughter supporting homosexual marriage, in case one forgets so soon, Laura Bush Supports Gay Marriage, Abortion!

But, yes, Romney, so far looks like the best choice out of the Republican herd.

Salvation on the installment plan? As some have posted here? I would suggest you look at a pdf booklet,
Lordship Salvation -- What a True Believer Must Believe which is a pdf file which took some time for me to connect to or perhaps an earlier version, A Commendation Of Faithfulness

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News Item10/12/11 12:20 PM
Andrew M. | Orland Park, IL  Find all comments by Andrew M.
President Bush (43) was a "Christian" (which I'm skeptical about since reading "Decision Points") and the national debt went up 5 trillion dollars (2 terms). Obama, who says he's Christian, but is probably something else, hasn't even been in office for one term and has seen the national debt go up another 4 trillion. While electing a Christian president is vital, we need someone who can get bring this nation from the brink of bankruptcy--and with all due respect to Bro. Jeffress, my vote WILL BE with Romney should he get the GOP nom.
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News Item10/11/11 4:23 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
#1.HOLY WRIT Is VERY CLEAR & UNEQUIVOCAL That GOD'S "Salvation", "Sanctification", "Preservation", "Blamelessness", "Glorification" & EVEN "BAPTISM", ETC. Is Held In The Following CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:

a)Spirit (Spiritual) First.
b)Soul (Psychological) Second.
c)Body (Physical--As In PHYSICAL WATER "BAPTISM") Last.

"AND THE VERY GOD OF PEACE SANCTIFY YOU WHOLLY; AND I PRAY GOD YOUR WHOLE SPIRIT AND SOUL AND BODY BE PRESERVED BLAMELESS UNTO THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST." 1 THESS. 5:23

Therefore, In THE SPIRIT-MIND-HEART-WILL Of GOD, CHRIST, The APOSTLES, THE AUTHORS Of THE NICENE (APOSTLES' & ATHANASIAN) CREED; The "BAPTISM" As Mentioned In HOLY WRIT & THE NICENE-APOSTLES-ATHANASIAN CREED Is:

1st, SPIRIT-"BAPTISM"--HOLY-SPIRITUAL BAPTISM--THE SECOND-BIRTH ALA JOHN 3:1-16 ("BEING BORN-AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED..." 1 PETER 1:23).

2nd, SOUL-"BAPTISM"--HOLY-SPIRITUAL REPENTANCE--THE ENLIGHTENING, REFRESHING & RENEWING OF THE MIND, HEART & WILL (See ACTS 3:19-20).

Last, BODY-(PHYSICAL)-"BAPTISM"; WHICH DOESN'T SAVE OR REMIT SINS; BUT IS SYMBOLIC & REPRESENTATIVE OF:

1.SPIRIT-BAPTISM: BEING BORN-AGAIN Via JOHN 3:1-16.

2.SOUL-BAPTISM: HOLY-SPIRITUAL REPENTANCE.

**NOTE: BODY-(PHYSICAL)-BAPTISM OUGHT & BETTER COVER &-OR ENVELOPE "YOUR WHOLE...BODY" !

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News Item10/10/11 4:00 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
#1.HOLY WRIT Is Very Distinct, Clear & Unequivocal That GOD'S ["Salvation"], "Sanctification", "Preservation", "Blamelessness", ["Glorification"] AND EVEN "BAPTISM" & ETC. Is Held In The Following CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:

a)Spirit (Spiritual) First

b)Soul (Psychological) Second

c)Body (Physical [As In PHYSICAL WATER "BAPTISM"]) Last

"AND THE VERY GOD OF PEACE SANCTIFY YOU WHOLLY; AND I PRAY GOD YOUR WHOLE SPIRIT AND SOUL AND BODY BE PRESERVED BLAMELESS UNTO THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST." 1 THESSALONIANS 5:23

Therefore, In THE SPIRIT-MIND-HEART-WILL Of GOD, CHRIST, The Apostles, The Authors Of THE NICENE (APOSTLES' & ATHANASIAN) CREED; The "BAPTISM" As Mentioned In HOLY WRIT &-Or THE NICENE-APOSTLES-ATHANASIAN CREED Is:

1st, SPIRIT-"BAPTISM"--HOLY-SPIRITUAL BAPTISM--WHICH IS THE SECOND-BIRTH AS FOUND IN JOHN 3:1-16 ("BEING BORN-AGAIN, NOT OF CORRUPTIBLE SEED..." See 1 PETER 1:23).

2nd, SOUL-"BAPTISM"; WHICH IS HOLY-SPIRITUAL REPENTANCE: THE ENLIGHTENING, REFRESHING & RENEWING OF THE MIND, HEART & WILL (See ACTS 3:19-20).

Last, BODY-(PHYSICAL)-"BAPTISM"; WHICH DOESN'T SPIRITUALLY-SAVE &-OR REMIT ANY SINS; BUT, IS TOTALLY SYMBOLIC & REPRESENTATIVE OF:

#1.SPIRIT-BAPTISM; BEING BORN-AGAIN ala JOHN 3:1-16

&

#2.SOUL-BAPTISM; HOLY-SPIRITUAL REPENTANCE.

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News Item10/10/11 2:29 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
"fl", "mike", "silofolous" & "etc.": you Do ERR: Not Knowing HOLY WRIT; The Spiritual, Psychological & Theological Mind-Heart-Will Of The Authors &-Or Compilers Of THE NICENE CREED; Nor The Difference Between A "Confession" Of Faith, Statement Of Faitn &-Or A "Creed" (Especially THE APOSTLES, NICENE &-Or ATHANASIAN CREED) !

#1.HOLY WRIT Is Very Distinct, Clear & Unequivocal That GOD'S ["Salvation"], "Sanctification", "Preservation", "Blamelessness", ["Glorification"] AND EVEN "BAPTISM" & ETC. Is Held In The Following CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:

a)Spirit (Spiritual) First
b)Soul (Psychological) Second
c)Body (Physical [As In PHYSICAL WATER "BAPTISM") Last

"AND THE VERY GOD OF PEACE SANCTIFY YOU WHOLLY; AND I PRAY GOD YOUR WHOLE SPIRIT AND SOUL AND BODY BE PRESERVED BLAMELESS UNTO THE COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST." 1 THESSALONIANS 5:23

Therefore, In THE SPIRIT-MIND-HEART-WILL Of GOD, CHRIST, The Apostles, The Authors Of THE NICENE (APOSTLES' & ATHANASIAN) CREED; The "BAPTISM" As Mentioned In HOLY WRIT &-Or THE NICENE-APOSTLES-ATHANASIAN CREED Is:

**1st SPIRIT-(SPIRITUAL)-"BAPTISM"--HOLY-SPIRITUAL BAPTISM--WHICH IS THE SECOND-BIRTH AS FOUND IN JOHN 3:1-16.

2nd SOUL-(PSYCHOLOGICAL)-"BAPTISM"; WHICH IS REPENTANCE; THE CHANGING &-OR "RENEWING" OF THE MIND, HEART & WILL.

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News Item10/10/11 2:09 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, FL, there's always,

John 17
22 "And the glory which Thou hast given Me I have given to them; that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, that the world may know that Thou didst send Me, and didst love them, even as Thou didst love Me.
24 "Father, I desire that they also, whom Thou hast given Me, be with Me where I am, in order that they may behold My glory, which Thou hast given Me; for Thou didst love Me before the foundation of the world.---NASB

Do Mormons believe the same as Christians do?--- What is it that separates Mormonism from traditional Christianity?

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News Item10/10/11 11:11 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
FL wrote:
This verse is a good summary about salvation, but not enough to be a "Christ-one." Isn't there more to it?
If by "more to it," you mean is there something more one does to make one a Christian, one becomes a "Christ-one" upon salvation. Eph 2:10 says "..created in Christ Jesus unto good works." Note "in Christ" precedes those good God-ordained works, and is necessary in order they be done. Said works are the expected outcome of Christ-oneness, thus it is not the works, including baptism, that forgives one of sin and make him a Christian, a "Christ-one."
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News Item10/9/11 9:24 PM
FL  Find all comments by FL
Mike wrote:
Romans 10:9
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
This verse is a good summary about salvation, but not enough to be a "Christ-one." Isn't there more to it?
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News Item10/9/11 2:54 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
FL wrote:
I always thought the Nicene Creed contained the Gospel boundary markers. If a 5th Century man wouldn't agree to all of these he was not considered a "Christ-one." Has this changed?
Believing what the teachers of error taught/teach did not/does not determine whether one is a "Christ-one." This 1st Century teaching does:

Romans 10:9
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

What authority superceded this in the 5th Century?

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News Item10/8/11 3:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Silofolous wrote:
You know, I find that interesting. I've seen quite a few people, a good number of them on this site, that treat creeds like the Nicene Creed with so much reverence it is as though they were Scripture. Do you believe the Nicene Creed to be inerrant? If so, why?
I personally have always understood creeds like the Nicene Creed to be useful summaries of the teachings of Christianity, insofar as they accurately resemble what is taught in Scripture ... How do you view the creeds?
--but-- Baptism: Truth or Tradition

Perry being a Methodist well second, and first a politician, isn't a Christian either. Ah, as Mitt would say, We're Christians just like you!. Perhaps Harry Truman or even Jimmy Carter were the last Christian Presidents? Well at least Harry.

Matthew 7
20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.---NASB

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News Item10/8/11 11:03 AM
BHO | watching you  Find all comments by BHO
Borlawn wrote:
Well the US has had Episcopalians, Quakers, Roman Catholic and Unitarians as President. A couple of them including Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, were "accused" of being atheist in their election campaigns.
Most were nominal Christians at best.
So
Does it make any difference, especially today, if they belong to a cult probably for a variety of all too human reasons?
The present incumbent as everybody knows is a devout Liberal, you can't get less Christian than that.
Who you calling devout?
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News Item10/8/11 10:17 AM
Silofolous | USA  Find all comments by Silofolous
FL wrote:
I always thought the Nicene Creed contained the Gospel boundary markers. If a 5th Century man wouldn't agree to all of these he was not considered a "Christ-one." Has this changed?
You know, I find that interesting. I've seen quite a few people, a good number of them on this site, that treat creeds like the Nicene Creed with so much reverence it is as though they were Scripture. Do you believe the Nicene Creed to be inerrant? If so, why?

I personally have always understood creeds like the Nicene Creed to be useful summaries of the teachings of Christianity, insofar as they accurately resemble what is taught in Scripture (For example, baptism as the method of remission of sins as opposed to a symbol of the remission of sins obtained by faith and repentance). How do you view the creeds?

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News Item10/8/11 9:33 AM
Borlawn  Find all comments by Borlawn
Well the US has had Episcopalians, Quakers, Roman Catholic and Unitarians as President. A couple of them including Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, were "accused" of being atheist in their election campaigns.
Most were nominal Christians at best.

So

Does it make any difference, especially today, if they belong to a cult probably for a variety of all too human reasons?

The present incumbent as everybody knows is a devout Liberal, you can't get less Christian than that.

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News Item10/8/11 9:25 AM
FL  Find all comments by FL
Mike wrote:
Mormons are not a cult because of anti-Nicene. Nicene says baptism remits sin. It doesn't. Mormons cannot be called a cult because of anti-Nicene, which itself contains error, but may be called a cult because of holding false beliefs about the Lord, and denial of the true.
I always thought the Nicene Creed contained the Gospel boundary markers. If a 5th Century man wouldn't agree to all of these he was not considered a "Christ-one." Has this changed?
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News Item10/8/11 8:15 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
FL wrote:
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Either Mormons are anti-Nicene, and thus a cult, or not. Either homosexuality damns or it does not. Mr. Perry, you can't have it both ways.
Mormons are not a cult because of anti-Nicene. Nicene says baptism remits sin. It doesn't. Mormons cannot be called a cult because of anti-Nicene, which itself contains error, but may be called a cult because of holding false beliefs about the Lord, and denial of the true.
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