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FRONT PAGE  |  8/28/2016
MONDAY, SEP 26, 2011  |  9 comments  |  2 commentaries
Questioning modern youth ministry not allowed
Producers of a documentary that raises questions about the alleged dangers associated with modern youth ministry are crying foul after recently discovering they were disinvited from a major conference that took place this week in Dallas.

Organizers of the D6 Conference -- an event geared toward leaders, ministers, leading parents, and volunteers in the church to share conversations about various biblical methods -- maintain that its decision to deny a display booth to the group behind Divided was made based on the non-inclusive nature of the film. Ron Hunter, sponsor of D6, overturned the NCFIC's initial acceptance to the conference for fear that the group would "cause tension."

But Brown understands that resistance is natural when one considers how difficult it is to change youth ministry and how much money is involved in an age-segregated ministry model. ...


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RP  Find all comments by RP
I am very grateful to God for the Ministry my family was privileged to sit under in the early days. Children sat in the worship from 3 years old and up. Last two pews were for nursing Mother's and 3 year olds and others that might have a reason to leave the sanctuary. There were ushers that kept watch to see everything was orderly, distraction was prevented. There was always the sense that this was God's house, that we owed Him reverence when asking Him to condescend to our need for His help, to worship Him. We had regular over site visits yearly where family worship and catechizing was addressed. Both parents and children could address any struggles they were having regarding hindrances with their elders, who might also check up on everyone's progress. It was a meeting that most looked forward to and a blessing. Family worship is the best place for children to begin the learning process of hearing and learning to sit still. When a Church holds this kind of standard there is peer pressure to conform to what is righteous. But we all know that the heart is the real issue. There is much mercy in the means,of the Word preached and ordinances in a well ordered Church. Thomas Manton's message to heads of household in the beginning of the WCF is very sobering in our day.
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News Item9/28/11 5:19 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Jim, glad to know the sour face is for everyone! Just jokin.

I went to church as a child and through high school........and understood and was glad to be there!

I have seen churches that blocked newborn nursing babies from staying with their moms, even closing down the mother rooms, because the church wanted to put up digital equipment and didn't want their young singles group to feel too uncomfortable in a family atmosphere. Not making that up either.

Slice and dice. That's the Greeks for ya!

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News Item9/28/11 2:35 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
jpw wrote:
Jim, why such a sour face after the word children?
Ah, you should have noted, I said "Children of all ages" You know the 40, 50, or 70 year-old children who can't sit through a sermon, have to use their cell-phones etc.

Jessica, I think I told Neil from Tucson, in a message, several years, back, if children do attend then they should be taught discipline and how to behave in a sermon that will last nearly an hour, and of course with the music and other parts of the service may last for more than an hour and a half. It is good training for them, if they will be trained.

Of course adult sermons also provide for parents an ideal opportunity to explain, e.g., Isaiah 64:6

Children no doubt would get more out about Christianity in a opportunity, class, etc., designed specifically for the young mind.

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News Item9/26/11 10:58 PM
Angela Wittman | Southern Illinois  Contact via emailFind all comments by Angela Wittman
In response to Jim: Are you being humorous with the example of the young man falling from the window during the Apostle Paul's sermon? Anyway, I have taken both of my grandchildren to church where they sat through Worship with me. Children are very bright and pick up more of what people say than one would think.
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News Item9/26/11 9:52 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
Divided - The Movie

"There is a crisis. Christian youth are rapidly leaving evangelical churches for the world. This well-recognized disaster has been the topic of significant discussion in recent years for both church leaders and modern new media. DIVIDED follows young Christian filmmaker Philip Leclerc on a revealing journey as he seeks answers to what has led his generation away from the church. Traveling across the country conducting research and interviewing church kids, youth ministry experts, evangelists, statisticians, social commentators, and pastors, Philip discovers the shockingly sinister roots of modern, age-segregated church programs, and the equally shocking evidence that the pattern in the Bible for training future generations is at odds with modern church practices. He also discovers a growing number of churches that are abandoning age-segregated Sunday school and youth ministry to embrace the discipleship model that God prescribes in His Word."

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News Item9/26/11 7:17 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Jim, why such a sour face after the word children?
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News Item9/26/11 2:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Angela Wittman wrote:
.... Dividing up families for Worship is not found anywhere in Scripture.
Oh, I wouldn't say that,by the way, this is the way, IHCC does it,

Children Ministries.

Acts 20
9 And there was a certain young man named Eutychus sitting on the window sill, sinking into a deep sleep; and as Paul kept on talking, he was overcome by sleep and fell down from the third floor, and was picked up dead.
10 But Paul went down and fell upon him and after embracing him, he said, "Do not be troubled, for his life is in him."
11 And when he had gone back up, and had broken the bread and eaten, he talked with them a long while, until daybreak, and so departed.
12 And they took away the boy alive, and were greatly comforted.---NASB

Now, Gil's sermons are not as long as the Apostle Paul's talks (even though if someone from a mainline church decided to come to IHCC, they had better go into training first! Gil's sermons can last close to an hour.

Children (of all ages ) neither have the patience or the mental maturity to appreciate the full extent of the Gospel message, it is the work of the par

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News Item9/26/11 2:31 PM
Angela Wittman | Southern Illinois  Contact via emailFind all comments by Angela Wittman
I tried youth ministry at both my local church and through community events and while I could provide the teens with wholesome activities, I could not take the place of their parents or provide consistent Christian education as they would/should get from home. Folks, a couple hours of youth ministry a week will not make up for the 24/7 discipleship your children need... Parents need to re-evaluate their lifestyle and use their spiritual gifts at home. Dividing up families for Worship is not found anywhere in Scripture.
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News Item9/26/11 11:19 AM
Skuzbary | South carolina  Contact via emailFind all comments by Skuzbary
This article reflects discussions I have had with my 19 year old son. He also sees problems with how we do youth ministries. How sad the conference would not take a honest look at the issues. It seems we know less about God's word thar our forefathers.
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