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WEDNESDAY, SEP 14, 2011  |  37 comments
Most Pastors Don't Want IRS Regulating Sermons on Politics
Amid ongoing debate over whether pastors should be allowed to preach on political candidates and issues, a new survey reveals that most pastors do not want the government regulating their sermons.

Seventy-nine percent of surveyed Protestant pastors said they strongly disagree with the statement: "The government should regulate sermons by revoking a church's tax exemption if its pastor approves of or criticizes candidates based on the church's moral beliefs or theology."

Another seven percent "somewhat" disagreed, according to the survey, which was sponsored by the Alliance Defense Fund and conducted by LifeWay Research.

Only 10 percent of the pastors agreed with the statement. ...


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News Item9/18/11 5:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, John, U.K., you really do have listen to the sermons on:
Dispensations, and you really, really should listen to the sermon, The Prophesied Kingdom, part 1
If I get the time I will listen, and either they will take me apart or I will take them apart.

But tell me, why don't these frothing Frenchy Flag Flyers give you any stick for holding non-Frenchy doctrines, and I seem to get it on the chin even though I do hold pretty much the same doctrines as old Froggy.

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News Item9/18/11 4:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, John, U.K., you really do have listen to the sermons on:

Dispensations, and you really, really should listen to the sermon, The Prophesied Kingdom, part 1

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News Item9/17/11 8:12 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Lurker wrote:
...
Rufus,
Thank you for that text. I stand corrected.
You're welcome. May God bless your humble spirit.
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News Item9/17/11 5:46 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
I thought you were Amill, John. If so, you must be able to set a timeline of fulfillment on the events of Revelation 19:1 through 20:6, including the first resurrection and the casting of death and hell into the lake of fire, somewhere in history. This (Revelation 19:1 through 20:6) is what Jesus is speaking of in the context of Luke 17:20-37 which you refer to. The second coming of our Lord will not occur until 45 days after (according to Daniel 12:12) the second resurrection which will occur at the beginning of the seventh trumpet.
This is way off topic and I see there are still comments being made on the thread topic so out of respect for others I will end my off topic comments here.
Rufus,
Thank you for that text. I stand corrected.
Ah Lurker, you've just reached the limit of my understanding. Yes, I am an a-mill, but I hold it not too tightly, as I've grappled with endtimes and still have no joy in interpreting the sequence of events. Maybe the Lord Jesus will help me one day to "see" it. Thankfully, it will not distress me one way or the other, when the endtime arrives. Then I shall know, while now I see in part, as through a glass darkly.

I am content to end also before I get a slappy de wristy.

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News Item9/17/11 5:22 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
The problem with those thoughts, Lurker, is that the passage I quoted from Luke, going right back in verses, is all about the second coming and what will happen to believers (taken) and unbelievers (left).
I thought you were Amill, John. If so, you must be able to set a timeline of fulfillment on the events of Revelation 19:1 through 20:6, including the first resurrection and the casting of death and hell into the lake of fire, somewhere in history. This (Revelation 19:1 through 20:6) is what Jesus is speaking of in the context of Luke 17:20-37 which you refer to. The second coming of our Lord will not occur until 45 days after (according to Daniel 12:12) the second resurrection which will occur at the beginning of the seventh trumpet bringing this to pass....

Rev 11:15 ¶ And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

This is way off topic and I see there are still comments being made on the thread topic so out of respect for others I will end my off topic comments here.

Rufus,

Thank you for that text. I stand corrected.

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News Item9/17/11 5:21 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Lurker wrote:
...
Rufus,
I find no text which state the lion is unclean. Perhaps you should compare Gen 49:9 against Rev 5:5.
"David said moreover, The LORD that delivered me out of the paw of the lion,..." - 1 Samuel 17:37

"And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even." - Leviticus 11:27

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News Item9/17/11 4:39 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, John U.K., you mean a Presbyterian can be wrong in using a Bible verse?
Sure they can, on secondary issues, but they'll never admit that because they've got it all written out for them to be brainwashed by it. Even you and I can be wrong on secondary doctrines.

But I'm glad to see that IHCC has good doctrines on fundamental doctrines, even with practical application explanations. I'm quite impressed. Even the distinctive "extent of the atonement" is fine, being secondary and merely a doctrine for theologians to argue over. Naturally, I believe the church's position on Bible versions is way off-beam, especially since it transpires the church was instigated by KJV believers. Oh, and the dispensational error, lack of understanding on what "Israel" means, and so forth.

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News Item9/17/11 4:22 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Jim, this article that you have quoted was writtn by a pro-abortion, pro-bioengineer-children bioethicist.

Here he is quoted in another article as the ethical authority on providing
chemical abortions in rural areas without the need of the doctor:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43828311/ns/health/

Can you please offer a creationist "expert" who can describe how these deaths are ok because they can prove in the world of Darwinian statistics that supposedly more lives were saved than lost?

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News Item9/17/11 3:59 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
That's a possible answer, John. But another possible answer is "Where, Lord, will these things happen?" to which Jesus answered: "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."... the body being the church which remained in subjection to Jerusalem suffering persecution from the time Stephen was stoned and the eagles being the Jews who ruled over them, bringing them under the bondage of the Mosaic Law.
I believe the latter is consistent with many prophecies in which God promised to redeem His people from the tyranny of the Jews and is consistent with Jesus' promise in Matt 21:43. Also, this answer causes no violence to an interpretative principal by creating an inconsistency such as an unclean eagle being a figure of God's bride.
The problem with those thoughts, Lurker, is that the passage I quoted from Luke, going right back in verses, is all about the second coming and what will happen to believers (taken) and unbelievers (left). Naturally, if you were listening to this discourse of our Lord Jesus, would you not want to know "where" they were taken to? That would be my very first thought and question if I had heard this teaching for the first time.

But I could be wrong, naturally.

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News Item9/17/11 3:32 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
The answer given by our Lord was immediately preceded by the question, "Where, Lord?" It is most clear that they wanted to know "where will they be taken?"
Don't you think?
That's a possible answer, John. But another possible answer is "Where, Lord, will these things happen?" to which Jesus answered: "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."... the body being the church which remained in subjection to Jerusalem suffering persecution from the time Stephen was stoned and the eagles being the Jews who ruled over them, bringing them under the bondage of the Mosaic Law.

I believe the latter is consistent with many prophecies in which God promised to redeem His people from the tyranny of the Jews and is consistent with Jesus' promise in Matt 21:43. Also, this answer causes no violence to an interpretative principal by creating an inconsistency such as an unclean eagle being a figure of God's bride.

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News Item9/17/11 2:58 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, John U.K., you mean a Presbyterian can be wrong in using a Bible verse? While Pastor Dabney was no doubt a good preacher, just like any living man he could make mistakes.

However, that really wasn't the point of the quotation I had, from his, The Perils of Popery about the tenure of mortmain wasn't correct? I think he had a very good point. Thanks to the fellows who liked what Dabney said (in spite of any errors of verse picking.)

Vaccinations,

Arthur Caplan wrote:
The importance of vaccinating women against the human papillomavirus - a virus that kills thousands of American women, forces tens of thousands more to undergo major surgeries to save them from death due to cervical cancer and leaves scores of other men and women to struggling with genital warts - is being debated by politicians who, arguably, could not be more self-interested in scoring cheap debating points, even at a cost of possibly killing young women.
excerpt from, Caplan: A Republican attack on vaccines

Gasp! Romney is even beginning to look good!

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News Item9/17/11 2:30 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Hi John,
I have the greatest respect for MH but in this case I disagree.
The full context of the phrase in Luke begins here:
Ah yes, but it ends here, Lurker...

I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Luke 17:34-37 KJV

The answer given by our Lord was immediately preceded by the question, "Where, Lord?" It is most clear that they wanted to know "where will they be taken?"

Don't you think?

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News Item9/17/11 1:58 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
California Assembly Bill 499 --- Gard., Hep B and other STD vaccines will be given to children as young as 12 without consent of parent--if it is signed.

Is there any Texas pastor out there who had a girl die from the HPV thing? Did he share with the congregation that this happened in order to let other family members know? Did he grapple with the fact that by exec order it was made mandatory----so many more would be subjected to this?

Did he spend any sleepless nights, concerned about what other girls may be hurt by this?

Or did he give it up to Darwinian chance and figure, this was a tragedy, there are winners and losers in statistics?

They have found the HPV DNA inside the vack:

http://www.naturalnews.com/033585_Gardasil_contamination.html

But pastors will remain silent on Sunday because it is against their duty to speak on public policy.

I really have to give credit to RP, S, and B and the debates for bringing this issue to the forefront.

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News Item9/17/11 1:47 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Yes I have researched this expression quite a bit over the years, and am convinced. Here's MH's take on it:
Hi John,

I have the greatest respect for MH but in this case I disagree.

The full context of the phrase in Luke begins here:

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. (Luke 17:20:21)

At the time Jesus was questioned of the Pharisees, the kingdom of God had not yet come hence, they asked the question. Jesus said it would be in His people, viz Christ in you, the hope of glory (Col 1:27). Therefore, the fulfillment of the phrase "Wheresoever the body [is], thither will the eagles be gathered together." had to occur sometime between the time Jesus spoke the phrase and Paul wrote to the Colossians. When, exactly? Immediately before this prophecy came to pass, imo.

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matt 21:43)

Rufus,

I find no text which state the lion is unclean. Perhaps you should compare Gen 49:9 against Rev 5:5.

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News Item9/17/11 12:40 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Brother John UK
No, you haven't blasted me and to be clear I wanted to compliment you on that as sometimes here on SermonAudio some of us (sadly I will include myself in this) have had a tendency to blast others in times of disagreement.
Prehaps in the Mercy and Grace of God we might learn to suffer long with each other and be a testimony of God's own longsuffering with us, when if we are honest we have so much learning and growning to do.
I also have plenty of learning and groaning to do bro.
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News Item9/17/11 12:19 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
Bro Michael

If I have ever "blasted" you in the past bro, I apologise. It is not my place nor in my nature to "blast" anybody. But I will always state my case, even strongly on occasion, just as the Lord leads.

Brother John UK
No, you haven't blasted me and to be clear I wanted to compliment you on that as sometimes here on SermonAudio some of us (sadly I will include myself in this) have had a tendency to blast others in times of disagreement.

Prehaps in the Mercy and Grace of God we might learn to suffer long with each other and be a testimony of God's own longsuffering with us, when if we are honest we have so much learning and growning to do.

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News Item9/17/11 12:07 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
John UK
Thanks Brother for not blasting me for daring to disagree with you. I will looks at the parallel passage in Luke and prayerfully consider if I am on path.
The context in Matthew the disciples asked:
"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
Still context in Luke flows in the destruct of Noah's day and Lot's
Bro Michael

I saw your point regarding the context in the Matthew passage. But to me that is a bit misleading. The Luke passage gives us the whole conversation. My own conclusion was that the disciples were asking, "Where, Lord, are they taken?". That is, the ones which are taken (i.e. the Lord's redeemed people), where are they going to go?

If I have ever "blasted" you in the past bro, I apologise. It is not my place nor in my nature to "blast" anybody. But I will always state my case, even strongly on occasion, just as the Lord leads.

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News Item9/17/11 11:27 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
Ah yes brother, it is crucial to read the parallel passage in Luke, which clears the way for a correct understanding:
I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Luke 17:34-37 KJV
This expression of our Lord was in response to a question: "Where, Lord?"
Now if you determine exactly what the disciples were asking from the immediate context, you will be halfway to agreeing with me.
John UK
Thanks Brother for not blasting me for daring to disagree with you. I will looks at the parallel passage in Luke and prayerfully consider if I am on path.

The context in Matthew the disciples asked:
"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Still context in Luke flows in the destruct of Noah's day and Lot's

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News Item9/17/11 10:56 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Brother John, I tend to disagree with you on this BECAUSE in the context of Matthew 24:24-28 Jesus is teaching and warning of false Messiahs and false prophets...
Ah yes brother, it is crucial to read the parallel passage in Luke, which clears the way for a correct understanding:

I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Luke 17:34-37 KJV

This expression of our Lord was in response to a question: "Where, Lord?"

Now if you determine exactly what the disciples were asking from the immediate context, you will be halfway to agreeing with me.

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News Item9/17/11 8:50 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Rufus wrote:
In my humble view...Yall are taking the full attributes of the type further than intended of the author. When Jesus says he's coming as a thief in the night it does not mean he is a thief, it mean there is an attribute of the thief (speed) in which Jesus is equating to His return. We are not to take the full attributes of the thief and then conclude that Jesus is a thief. Further, God is referred to as the Lion of Judah. A lion is an unclean animal but this is not the point of the title. Thus, in reference to the eagles and the church, I encourage we take the attributes intended in the passage and apply them to the church but limit it to that.
Rufus
Thanks for the encouragement and reminder.

And just for clarity I wasn't seeking to force the attributes of eagles into what our Savior was telling us, it is of consideration but THE CONTEXT of what Jesus was saying to us is vital if we are going to intrepret His words aright.

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